Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[RachMarie]

I admit I had not really read much of the past 20 pages since page 36 I was busy trying to get a preliminary reads list out, got tired of peeps calling me useless

Seriously I do suck on Day 1..... but watch me later in the game....

[thezmon221]

I admit I had not really read much of the past 20 pages since page 36 I was busy trying to get a preliminary reads list out, got tired of peeps calling me useless

You can fix that by actually reading the posts and creating reads that don't look like you slapped them together in about 2 minutes. There is literally no depth of your reads here, and I see absolutely no effort from you.

[Trust Fund]

Cabd, what do you think the odds are if Nacho flips scum that Rach is too? Given his naked vote on her and her townread?

I dunno, but I doubt we see a nacho flip before a rach flip at this rate. So it's more the other way around.

[Malakittens]

I admit I had not really read much of the past 20 pages since page 36 I was busy trying to get a preliminary reads list out, got tired of peeps calling me useless

You can fix that by actually reading the posts and creating reads that don't look like you slapped them together in about 2 minutes. There is literally no depth of your reads here, and I see absolutely no effort from you.

for the love of everything.

SHE DOES THIS AS EITHER ALIGNMENT.

Everyone is calling her scum and pushing her for being useless, but her reads really don't develop until later.

Have you done a meta check on her?

>.>

[Sound of Silence]

17. Sound of Silence (fferyllt + GuyInFreezer) Prolific posters

but

most likely town.

It is amusing that our quantity of posts has been described in such conflicting terms so far.

what does it even mean to be "prolific" BUT "most likely town"?

[thezmon221]

I admit I had not really read much of the past 20 pages since page 36 I was busy trying to get a preliminary reads list out, got tired of peeps calling me useless

You can fix that by actually reading the posts and creating reads that don't look like you slapped them together in about 2 minutes. There is literally no depth of your reads here, and I see absolutely no effort from you.

for the love of everything.

SHE DOES THIS AS EITHER ALIGNMENT.

Everyone is calling her scum and pushing her for being useless, but her reads really don't develop until later.

Have you done a meta check on her?

>.>

Yes, I read a bit of her meta. Like I said, all I noticed was some more activity as scum than here. The problem is her apparent disconnect from the game. She hasn't done ANYTHING to help the game, and has only either done IIoA, made redundant comments, or made something parallel to this reads list. She's on a fence and refuses to get down from it. She makes disconnected questions, she is rather inactive in this game, and her overall tone is useless. Seriously, go look through her ISO and tell me she is helping the town. She has zero town motivation at this point in the game, which leads me to believe she is lurking scum. All she does is make side comments and asks questions that are usually obvious answers and then disappears.

For fuck’s sake, “Who are the hydrae?” LOOK ON THE GOD DAMN FIRST POST. Seriously, that’s a useless question. I don’t care how many hydrae Cabd has with so and so, she can look on the front page and determine this herself. But nooope, she’s gotta go ahead and post it because it looks like she’s engaging when she’s NOT ENGAGING in discussion.

Spoiler: An entire commentary post-by-post of Rach's ISO up to her reads list:

Simple
call NachoP Bert cause it is Bert, and Nacho is Nacho

No fair you guys n gals I did not get to RVS


Want to take a look at the interplay tween B n B and SoS

I do realize of course that the Mollie head and the fery head are long time friends from another site, but want to be sure it is not being used as a cover for buddying.

Nacho needs to get in here and POST

peeps with votes on Venmar need to like remove them for a bit, the claim will sort itself out soon enough, and speaking of claiming...

Var head of FTL no do not claim that is what got you in trouble before. Don't make me spank you, young man.

more later and hey Nick cool to get to finally play with you in a forum game instead of a skype game.

Pedit ya all slow down long enough for me to post grrrr....

Yes Papa is Bert

Bro why would you assume that? Each game is randomized and its a very low chance that you are scum in BOTH games? Especially since this time its not multiball as per the OP.

I may use meta to figure out people's alignments, but I never assume that because someone is scum in Game A they must be scum in Game B. In fact usually it is not the case that someone is scum in back to back games.


Pedit # 2

Notty its no longer RVS duh Time for content please

IIoA. All of it is except the bolded. By the way, that bolded is gambler's fallacy that apparently a large percentage of the mafia-playing population doesn't understand. Each game is independent of another, which means one does not impact the other. He has a 1/21 chance of getting every role crafted. And last game he had a 1/25 (?) chance of getting whatever role he had. Nothing else to it. Shallow question, waste of a post.

NS was like a kid in a candy shop last night because he had been waiting so long for the new season Jiffy.

It was kinda cute seeing him all excited like that over a TV show lol.


pedit


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Spam post.

Could everyone please tone it down a bit it is a game not a war jeez.

1. I gather from that that Notty is basically an Innocent Child mod verified?

2. Whats with all the claiming anyways I think like half the people in the game practically have not even posted or not posted much...

3. Besides his reaction to Venmar's claim is there even a case on TD? Something other than oh he was scum last time please.

Obvious answer to the bolded #1. You could take a quick look at bork's ISO, or check a few posts ago and tell that it is.
#2 bolded: PGO claim is understandable, as it should be. IC claim is a derp move, but still a confirming move. Useless question and gather nothing from it.
#3 bolded: Seriously, this is the most shallow question ever. Firstly, LOOK AT THE THREAD ONCE IN A WHILE. Secondly, the sentence is completely disassociated. That was never an accusation.

I presume this is the cabd head of trust fund?

Could you explain your case on him, besides the whole thing with Venmar?

Cause though I can see how that would look scummy, the fact we have a wagon build up this fast this early before everyone has even posted kinda sets up my scumdar a tad.

Probably the only post that actually displays content and not shallow questioning. However, it was never followed up on. You know who is more likely to make questions and not follow up on them? Scum.

well this game will be.... interesting (in the sense of the old Chinese curse May your life be interesting that is).....

Whether TD is scum or town I am not sure on, but I am leaning town cause that wagon hell Nacho has not even posted yet..... And a few others as well. 8 of 11 votes? Cmon guys n gals we need to examine those on his wagon duh.

No need to get worried Mollie just I am not 100% sold that both your slot and hers are town. Given time will be better at sorting it out. And part of that would be finding out if its just hey we know each other or that you are playing buddy buddy knowing peeps would think it too blatant to be buddying. As Jiffy and Syr post that will help too.

Pedit the PGO kills the doc and so does the scum who tries to kill I believe but not positive on that.

Waffle on TD, and then goes right to stating the obvious. IIoA all up in this joint.

yeah I know Jiffy has been posting more. and yeah I am getting more of a towny feel now for B n B.

Still would like to hear more from Syr as well as fery though.


Someone said that a lurky Nacho is always a scum Nacho and I disagree I have seem him be a lurky loo when he was town as well as when he was scum, and I have seen him as both town and scum being fairly active. With him just depends on whats going on. So yeah you need a bit more than oh hes lurking he must be scum Nacho. Especially since when you look at his posting history he has not been posting much of anywhere. I know he had to borrow his GFs computer a while back, so maybe he still is having to borrow it not sure on that.

What is with this lovecrush on Nacho? It had only been a few hours, and she is automatically jumping to conclusions that he's a lurk.

Second paragraph is ironic, because Rach never talks anyway, and talks about very little.

I can see how that would sound ambiguous lol trying again

I meant more from Syr and not just fery that make more sense?

ye gods

Sorry about that Mollie its more confusion than anything else. This game totally exploded faster than I thought it would. Going to look at some ISOs

FTR anyone who has ever played with me knows I get suspicious of fast wagons and quick lynches.

About time you got here Nacho

Wait Andy is playing too? where is he?

grumble grumble I will take some time to get a handle on this game

Could someone let me know who the heads of the hydrae are?

Other than B n B I know that one is Mollie and Jiffy.

The hydra issue. Firstly, the whole post is IIoA. Secondly, 140 posts past, and only 16 hours pass. You forget that quickly of the SoS hydra? Mentions their hydra in 432 too. Oh yeah, and it’s in OP.

572 and 634 are 2 and 4 word posts.

z dude you do realize that the top three on their list were their scummiest reads right?

Question with an obvious answer.

By the way, this is in conjunction with me asking, “Why do you think Mala?” which may be ambiguous, but either way, I obviously know there’s a read there, and I’ve played with BatB a few times, so I know the process of how they post their reads.

how can you be so sure. every game I have been in with innocent child the scum make an effort to kill the innocent child (or in the case of Less Pressure--Innocent children).

I have not given a large list of reads yet because oh duh 36 friggen pages with some peeps not yet talking or not talking much....

On top of that had some modly things to do.

And yeah my knee still hurts.

BTW I will get on this game a lot more after I rest my knee and we take Lucky to the vet today. He has been throwing up a lot and I am worried about him.

yes Z dude is the zmon one I call the other one muffin to keep them straight. Also call notscience Notty so it does not get confused with NS who is my fiance.

Var you and MS really need to get it together more its making extremely difficult to figure out your slot.

more later dudes and dudettes

Re:bolded: I seemed to be able to post a reads list with I think 3 or 4 reads also elaborated upon. Yet more real world discussion.

1. Aj The Epic Probly town it feels like aj town rather than aj scum. but this one is a weaker town read.

2. Andrius Ehh the buddying with Nacho is normal for him, The reliance on Nacho vetting for him being town also normal, but his play just does not feel right here leaning scum, Andy can you provide me with some links to scum games you have completed thanks.

3. BeautyAndTheBeast (pirate mollie + Majiffy) I am definitely getting a towny read here.... Given more time will have a more solid read on them since I usually can catch Jiffy scum eventually, but in the town pile for now and mollie feels more like her towny self so yeah town.

4. BROseidon ehhh weak town read here mainly based on the stats, but he feels like hes genuinely scum hunting...

5. Desperado Confirmation Bias much there Des? Seriously dude have you even read any of my town games, weak scum read here. Seriously dude do your homework instead of just focusing on the low hanging fruit.

6. Faster Than Light (Varsoon + Metal Sonic) OMG head exploding here.... these two really need to get their hydra act together, nullish due to I see scummy MS and towny Var, need more congency from the slot tween these two to sort it out better.

7. Ghostlin Ehh feeling more like the town Ghosty here, but have not played as many games, could you provide me links of town and scum Ghosty? Thanks A couple of each is good enough.

8. Mac is Mac..... meh read atm but leaning to town... As he posts more will be able to solidify this.

9. mastin2 uhh WTF???? Brain is suffering from reading his ISO umm?? Need to reread it through.

10. Nachomamma8 What on earth Nacho What do you mean by revenge? ehh that being said its a tad early to rule him out as town I think.... Leaning Town... B n B could you further elaborate why you see him as scum at this point besides the connection with Andy?

11. thezmon221 Nachopappa--- Dude is probably town though not sure why the hostility? I really am a sweet chick However his tunneling looks more town tunneling than scum tunneling.

12. Malakittens nhammen--- Need more time to sort Mala out, she is very good at hiding herself when she is scum Mala... Still sorting....

13. nickthename--- Not much experience with this dude, though he did very well as scum in a skype mafia game and I did not realize he was scum even in LYLO so watching this dude carefully.... Leaning town but watching....

14. notscience umm duh... Do I really need to say on this one

15. RachMarie Sweet as sugar and doing her best to keep up with ya all as you add another 20 pages uggh...

16. Skullduggery Um Skull needs to post a LOT MORE... Nullish, might be scum by PoE but its too soon to figure that out until we get some flips PoE does not do a lot.

17. Sound of Silence (fferyllt + GuyInFreezer) Prolific posters but most likely town.

18. TiphaineDeath Dude you tunnel way too much... Which is making me wonder since you were scum last time and doing this mega tunneling.... Could you provide me with links to a cple town and a cple scum games?

19. Trust Fund (Cabd + Syryana) hmmm mostly cabd here need more syr. Not seeing the usual trolling and goofy much from Syr... So yeah very weak town read here need more from Syr...

20. Venmar Dude what you smokin? Not sure what I have done to you Do you have anything actual to your case besides the fact that I had not yet done reads? Leaning town however...

21. zMuffinMan Need to read some other games not played with this dude in completed games yet. Could you provide me with a cple town and a cple scum games thanks.

I know my reads suck there is obviously more scum out there than what I have, But at this point I have not yet been able to peg them yet. Part of this is due to the number of players I have here that I usually figure out they are scum after a few flips and them not being NKed at night (cough cough jiffy, nacho cough cough)...

I generally suck on D 1 and do better later in the game after I can put more of the pieces of the puzzle together.

I do trust Mollie and Jiffy though when they are town they are often right...

VOTE: Andy

Major League Fence sitter. The bolded is ambiguous or null. Her "reasons" for her reads are also awful. (For an example: Post 1429)

There is absolutely NO REASON for a town-Rach to play like this. She has no effort showing, she asks useless questions, and she fluffs her post to hell. She tries to show that she is engaging or whatnot, but a closer look at her posts shows that she is not. If this isn't scummy, then I don't know what is.

Now, I need to go to sleep.

[Malakittens]

^ Yeah you are just PL'ing her for being useless.

[Nachomamma8]

Unvote

Mala you are town town town this game <3

[Desperado]

^ Yeah you are just PL'ing her for being useless.

No he isn't.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho's Andy read really worries me given what several of us know about Andy's scum play.

his opening is obviously different from Xenoblade and MyLo.
i'm not even more than normally confident Andy is town (haven't put my time in yet), but the cases I've skimmed so far aren't looking for the right things. The insult thing is a great aspect of his meta but you might be misinterpreting some of his insults.

[notscience]

Nacho

I feel bad that you drew scum

[Trust Fund]

Nacho's Andy read really worries me given what several of us know about Andy's scum play.

his opening is obviously different from Xenoblade and MyLo.
i'm not even more than normally confident Andy is town (haven't put my time in yet), but the cases I've skimmed so far aren't looking for the right things. The insult thing is a great aspect of his meta but you might be misinterpreting some of his insults.

[Sound of Silence]

Nacho's Andy read really worries me given what several of us know about Andy's scum play.

his opening is obviously different from Xenoblade and MyLo.
i'm not even more than normally confident Andy is town (haven't put my time in yet), but the cases I've skimmed so far aren't looking for the right things. The insult thing is a great aspect of his meta but you might be misinterpreting some of his insults.

Enlighten me.

[Trust Fund]

Nacho's Andy read really worries me given what several of us know about Andy's scum play.

his opening is obviously different from Xenoblade and MyLo.
i'm not even more than normally confident Andy is town (haven't put my time in yet), but the cases I've skimmed so far aren't looking for the right things. The insult thing is a great aspect of his meta but you might be misinterpreting some of his insults.

Enlighten me.

This needs a gif to go with it.

You can borrow this one.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho

I feel bad that you drew scum

where should i be voting right now?

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho's Andy read really worries me given what several of us know about Andy's scum play.

his opening is obviously different from Xenoblade and MyLo.
i'm not even more than normally confident Andy is town (haven't put my time in yet), but the cases I've skimmed so far aren't looking for the right things. The insult thing is a great aspect of his meta but you might be misinterpreting some of his insults.

it seems you have the wrong number.

[Trust Fund]

it seems you have the wrong number.

[Sound of Silence]

This needs a gif to go with it.

I'm already in that hydra dammit

[Trust Fund]

I'm already in that hydra dammit

Stay frosty, my friend.

[notscience]

Nacho

I feel bad that you drew scum

where should i be voting right now?

Yourself or your scumbuddy andy

Either is fine

[Nachomamma8]

What do you think of the mollie/ffery slots? I was looking at then and I just found their interactions odd and I know mollie suspected me last game but calling my wall fluff is just baaaad.

they are both town, my love.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho

I feel bad that you drew scum

where should i be voting right now?

Yourself or your scumbuddy andy

Either is fine

would you like a serious try? my offer was a serious one.

[notscience]

So was mine.

You or Andy.

[Nachomamma8]

then i guess you're not getting my vote ;'(.
see you tomorrow, ns.

[notscience]

See

Here's what bugs me

Why isn't nacho leading a scumhunting brigade

In 501 He led it on Syry

In 500 he and Syry led the brigade

in Sitcom he led it on mollie

But here he's being very back-sitty

wat