The Walking Dead Mafia! ( Game Over )

[No Brains Here]

No, I'm not worried. No lynch will happen on me.

I'm pointing out how silly it is that you weren't interested in sending zombies at your scumreads

. Put DGB back on, please. You're a sweetheart and make me laugh, but you're going in a million directions and I cannot follow you.

wat.

we did. sangres was a scumread of both of ours. metal was a loose secondary 1 cos I am not getting from him what I need. I believe the original question you asked me at the start of the day round after I wanted to look at you, titus and borky was

why was I not voting for my scumreads

. did you forget that already? cos there is a strange cog-dis there cos the approaches of thought are diametrically opposed in terms of how you are orienting the axis of which your thoughts are spinning from in the game.

Sugar, Titus, and bork. Mastin stock is falling fast, so I'd advise you to sell if you're still holding. Wild cards in OGML, TIP, and Matt. I likely don't want those three lynched today, but I don't really see them as townreads.

pretty hedgey on the last 3, especially when you were saying earlier in the day round that you thought ogml was a likely sk. so if you don't have matt and tippy as town what do you have them as?

a lot of this was covered by different people on d2, I think it was nero who pointed out that scum probably had a scum herder.

where your logic becomes abysmal is when you say things like we are the scum herder and you keep your vote on us and that oh oh oh ogml is defo not the sk!!!!

like it is really bad.

I've given plenty of reasons why I feel the way I feel and you can go ahead and

assert

that the logic is bad all you want; that does not make it so.

If you're town you have every reason to show me where I am going wrong

, but it really seems like you're intent on smearing me right now instead. Go read posh and GoW and then say with a straight face that this is my scum game.

@RC: If they are a scum herder they are "<Bad guy x - scum herder> with a fakeclaim of <michonne - town herder>". That is how fakeclaims work. And just because AJ flipped town herder should not in any way clue him in to how many herders or whatever else that town has. I don't get your point about AJ - just because we know he was honest does not mean we know he was right.

I'll read the MS/Pitoli stuff.

I did.

the logic you are purporting is that dgb and I nked

our own scummate n1 with a mechanic that could be directly tied to us and that we pushed a lynch on a scummate on d2

. <----- you need to think about this for a minute cos obvious things are obvious.

our role pm kind of hinted that there were multiple factors with what nk we put in and as to whether or not it went through. we got the same role pm but with different character assignments.

shit I am really sorry. that was me and I will try to do better

[RedCoyote]

do you think that person does not have a fake claim of somebody else?

It's a real stretch. Sugar bought on that, but I'm not as open-minded. I pushed that Elli wagon pretty hard, remember.

do you think it really says anything about the alignment thereof? Cause I bet it doesn't.

No, but there's something to be said for Aj not kneejerk suspecting NBH. Aj is a pretty thoughtful player, and I think he would've considered that it could potentially be a scum/town each one has one situation.

But I appreciate your engaging me and I see your position much more clearly now.

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@NBH Uh, no, I said it was unlikely he was an SK, girl. It was a possibility, but it was unlikely.

I have Matt as "possibly-has-a-PR-but-possibly-not-so-it's-not-worth-the-risk-right-now" read. TIP has potential to be scum, but he's not ready for primetime with so many other players that could and should be lynched. I would totally be all over you if you weren't voting Metal Sonic right now on the back of that hedgey comment. Reads are always in flux, so get out of here with that. I have clearly defined scum and town reads, yet you jump on top of me because I say one or two people are in the middle?

I still don't know what the hell you're saying about your scumreads. I'm just going to assume you have different scumreads during the day and night until DGB gets here.

[OhGodMyLife]

Fucking hell I wish my shot at Mastin last night would have gone through

Vote: Mastin2

[Sugar Cain]

And you know for a fact there aren't more than 3 herders, Sugar?

?????

That has nothing to do with anything that was said.

I think it would be pretty bastardly to give only the town ways to interact with the horde. I really hate it that you are dancing around this possibility when its seems like common sense.

I also hate the fact that you are seemingly defending NBH but also arguing and calling it scum.

[ActionDan]

Fucking hell I wish my shot at Mastin last night would have gone through

Vote: Mastin2

good kill shot.

I thought you'd choose this if town.

[Sugar Cain]

Holy fuck, TIP why do you have to be scum?

why?

and Thor, yes I realize Elli was dead on the money. it's part of the reason why I am reconsidering my read on you, but that doesn't change the fact that

Mastin, NBH, Matty, and Aj are all terribad reads, and that scum-reading any of them, even for a second is strange. I honestly how anyone can even think of having a scum-read on any of them. Unsure maybe, but Scum-reading them?

I never said your read on Elli was bad, but that doesn't mean your other reads weren't and, I even stated that I am willing to re-think my stance on you so, why even ask why I

was

scum reading you?

Why are you acting like a flip can't make a person change their reads on someone else?

further more, why are you melding mine, and Nero's actions together when I am making it obvious as to who is doing what?

yeah, we are a hydra and we share one alignment but we are still two separate people who think two totally separate things.

as for you explaining your reads, You have explained your thoughts on us, NHB, Matty, Titus, and just about everyone else, or if you didn't your actions kinda told us for you though you have little to no interaction with Mastin or Aj and your reason on them isn't as readily understandable as all of your other reads. it's why those two stick out to me the most

RC, I am not acting out because of you calling our play poor, though that is just an excuse to make any valid point that we have against you look petty and weak

I disagree with you Mastin scum-read yes, and I don't think you have a valid reason for thinking he's scum

I also slightly disagree with your AD scum-read and I'm kinda with Mastin on the "Chess calling out his buddies the way he did" stance.

Titus is pretty obviously town at this juncture, why you would scum-read him is pretty strange

and Bork is a shifty read

~sugar

[OhGodMyLife]

Mastin2 - Titus - Sugar is my call for the remaining scum.

With a side of still suspicious of Sangres.

[borkjerfkin]

Mastin, NBH, Matty, and Aj are all terribad reads, and that scum-reading any of them, even for a second is strange.

I honestly how anyone can even think of having a scum-read on any of them. Unsure maybe, but Scum-reading them?

I never said your read on Elli was bad, but that doesn't mean your other reads weren't and,

I even stated that I am willing to re-think my stance on you so, why even ask why I was scum reading you?

Italicized: I find the "your reads were different from mine" reason contributing to scumreading a slot dishonest. Show us the scum motivation there, otherwise town should at least entertain the idea of that person being just wrong, but you've been just using it as ammo.

Underlined is one of the more blatant attempts at appeasement I've seen. You don't get to sweep someone's line of questioning under the rug just because

you

say you've changed your mind about

them

.

Switch my Sugar-Thor stance around.

[Titus]

@RC, Yes if my memory serves right SC was the biggest FoSer of Togeloo.

@Brains, obvious is not as obvious as it seems. There was a town herder was well as a possible scum herder. You could have picked the wrong choice or not submitted a choice at all for the night kill given the odds of a walker hitting scum versus town. Bussing an inactive member of the team who refuses to contribute is a great way to earn town points, especially if it was preplanned by the scums. While I find this scenario unlikely, I do not discount it entirely.

[TheIrishPope]

Hey, guys, remember how I called Mastin scum yesterday, and now he suddenly has a magical scum read on me? Yeaaaah

TIP - TIP!town tends to leave a large footprint in games and make a ton of noise. He is not doing that here. That's all I really have on him.

I'm trying, I'm seriously trying because I love to do that but there are certain things that stop me:
1. I recently moved so I'm only posting from my phone which is a pain in the butt
2. This is a large game, and I don't fit great in large player lists, especially of this status
3. I don't like walls, because I believe in getting to the point and moving on to the next person.
I want to say that Mastin is scum for obviously playing to his scum meta, not addressing me, aaaand not being on the lynch of his scum partner and then making up a shitty excuse to cover it up.
Thank you for listening!

@Sugar, lolno, why do you think I'm scum?
@OGML, you are the weirdest player here. Can I have some of what you've been smoking?
But yeah

[Sugar Cain]

Mastin, NBH, Matty, and Aj are all terribad reads, and that scum-reading any of them, even for a second is strange.

I honestly how anyone can even think of having a scum-read on any of them. Unsure maybe, but Scum-reading them?

I never said your read on Elli was bad, but that doesn't mean your other reads weren't and,

I even stated that I am willing to re-think my stance on you so, why even ask why I was scum reading you?

Italicized: I find the "your reads were different from mine" reason contributing to scumreading a slot dishonest. Show us the scum motivation there, otherwise town should at least entertain the idea of that person being just wrong, but you've been just using it as ammo.

Underlined is one of the more blatant attempts at appeasement I've seen. You don't get to sweep someone's line of questioning under the rug just because

you

say you've changed your mind about

them

.

Switch my Sugar-Thor stance around.

Yesterday Mara had a scum read on Toog. RC came in and called us scummy for scumreading Toog. Why is it scummy for Mara to "not consider Thor wrong" but its ok and townie? for RC to not consider Mara/us wrong?

What exactly is Mara sweeping under the rug?

[Sugar Cain]

@Sugar, lolno, why do you think I'm scum?

Well why do you think we are scum?

All I've seen is "ZOMG YOU GUYS THINK RC IZ SCUM!!!" Is there more?

[borkjerfkin]

Why is it scummy for Mara to "not consider Thor wrong"

but its ok and townie? for RC to not consider Mara/us wrong?

Don't put words in my mouth; I very obviously never even mentioned the underlined. Go ahead and quote what you are talking about.

What exactly is Mara sweeping under the rug?

Why is thor not entitled to an explanation of a read at a previous time just because the read has changed after the fact?

[Sugar Cain]

I'll get to it in a min but for now read this.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Do you think Tip's play is similar here?

[borkjerfkin]

yes.

[Sugar Cain]

So he's scum here as well?

[TheIrishPope]

When did I say you guys are scum?

[Sugar Cain]

Did... Did Sugar really vote RC?
And what is nbh talking about I don't even
I want to hear from metal sonic, in the meanwhile:
VOTE: Sugar

You bandwagoned us and don't think we are scum? WTF is this shit?

[borkjerfkin]

@nero: I don't like your tone right now; you're either trying to put words in my mouth again or bait me in some other way. Does my answer there necessitate my having a scum read on him for it? No it does not. Why ask that leading question?

He posts one liners and reacts defensively to shit. Great. The actual answer is: that is not enough information to determine a read. It is loose playstyle meta and by and large I don't consider that a reliable tell, especially considering you're not considering 1) a larger sample size or 2) what his town games look like or 3) other logistical things that make this game different from that one.

For example, can you differentiate the play there from =21370]this game?

If so, how?

[Sugar Cain]

Chill, Bork. I was just asking if you think he's scum this game.

[borkjerfkin]

Then I misinterpreted your tone.

I need to go to bed.

[TheIrishPope]

Hey, hey, if you feel so intimidated by a vote, it's alright.
VOTE: mastin
Watch him vote me

[Sugar Cain]

nope not really but I don't understand why town would park their vote on a non-scum read. Hence why I asked why you are scum reading us since (if your town) your vote belongs on who you think is scum.

[Sugar Cain]

Why is it scummy for Mara to "not consider Thor wrong"

but its ok and townie? for RC to not consider Mara/us wrong?

Don't put words in my mouth; I very obviously never even mentioned the underlined. Go ahead and quote what you are talking about.

I don't think I was putting words into your mouth, I found, what looks like to me, a contradiction and am therefore questioning you about it. Though I did assume that you had a town read on RC, is that incorrect?

There might be more but the gist is he was scumreading us/Mara for scumreading Toog.

I think your push on Toog is seriously misguided and you put too much weight on the idea that he's using IIoA. I think Toog is bring information in about the theme in a very responsible way and helping the town, especially the players that aren't as familiar with the theme, digest it a bit more easily. It strikes me as good stuff, and to call him on it feels like weak scumhunting.

Titus 3001 wrote:Also, I think a vote history analysis is in order. Players who pushed trains on any of the above players should be deemed suspicious in some regard.


I agree with this in the case of Toog and somewhat in the case of Amrun as well. Two things I want to say though. 1) No one had any serious suspicion of Amrun that I can remember except for Aj and NBH. 2) Who's the first person that comes to your head when you think about people that suspected Toog? Sugar Cain. Do you concur?

Which is why I questioned your scumreading us for calling Thor scummy for "not entertaining the idea that Thor was wrong" while RC was doing the same thing and MAAAYYYBBBEEEE TIP.

[TheIrishPope]

You know I'm big on reaction testing