Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[zMuffinMan]

Wait ppl are still discussing if NS should be vigged?

I know, right?

It's getting a bit ridiculous. I think everyone is in agreement that he needs to be vigged N1 so I don't see why people are still talking about it.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Wait ppl are still discussing if NS should be vigged?

I know, right?

It's getting a bit ridiculous. I think everyone is in agreement that he needs to be vigged N1 so I don't see why people are still talking about it.

uh no. I think most of us think it an obscenely stupid thing to do

[Sound of Silence]

Wait wtf?
We vig a potential lynchbait not fucking conftown
Besides keep talking about a vig target will have a high chance actual vig slipping in the process (if there's one)

P-Edit: Oh ok.

[Faster Than Light]

only scum would want a conftown vigged js

[Faster Than Light]

of course replacing him is not an issue


i'd love for orcinus to join us as conftown

[notscience]

only scum would want a conftown vigged js

QFT

@Ghost, I already said something along the lines of that

[Faster Than Light]

yeah and we can solve the problem by replacing you out so people dont get pissed off over your play

i want orcinus he is nice

[Trust Fund]

of course replacing him is not an issue


i'd love for orcinus to join us as conftown

yeah and we can solve the problem by replacing you out so people dont get pissed off over your play

i want orcinus he is nice

Yeah if you're going to be an asshole like that, keep it in your hydra convo. Telling a player to replace out just because you want somebody else to be there is horrible and you should feel like shit.

[Faster Than Light]

tell that to those who want to vig a confirmed townie

[Faster Than Light]

also varsoon says he will get the readsli st ready when i get up tomorrow morning = 12 hours from now

yay!

[Nachomamma8]

Do you think that TiphaneD is frustrated with this game?

I find that I'm not very good at gauging whether frustration feels "fake" or not. There's occasionally frustration that burns a shiny genuine fire in my heart, but the TD frustration isn't it.

What's your read/analysis of Rach's posts?

Rach's earlier posting felt weak to me; it seemed like she was almost excessively lost and playing it up a bit to excuse a lack of any sort of content. But then there was a nice sort of progression of frustration that started out with a couple of apologies here and there but nothing overdone to the more recent post which hit that genuine vibe that I sometimes get from frustration very nicely. So I'm leaning town at the moment; not convinced, especially since my rach reading game has been pretty sub par as of late, but still leaning town.

What is your read/analysis of B&B's posts, especially considering the hydra dichotomy/dissonance that've merited some noise so far?

Town as hell because this isn't mollie's scum game.

What has you reading us as town in this game?

Metal Sonic is pretty much hitting all the town baselines I need for him. You are your usual townie self; GiF sees what I see so you probably won't be lynched this game.

What do you think of the people with least posts (SkullDuggery, AJ, Rach, Mastin, Desperado, Andrius, Ghostlin, MuffinMan)?
What do you think of the people with the most posts (B&B, TrustFund, SoS, Venmar, Me, and TiphaneD)?

My thoughts about most of these players are likely to come out during my catch up.

Mala's approach to scum hunting feels way too much like Mala's trying to insert that something is scummy and force players to trip themselves engaging on that front.

This is not at all an accurate description of Mala's scumgame.

(TD never voted Venmar)

Why lie about something like this?

the nacho never contributes much is a bunch of crap and untrue and there should more peeps than just me who will point this out.

I see no reason why nick would say this as scum if he knew it was a lie.
I think he legitimately believes I'm useless, somehow.

skull - <------scuuuuuuuuuuum. needs to be lynched with fire.

I agree with this.

Meh, he's the only one in this game who has managed to see mac scum. You'll excuse me if I don't want him lynched.

It doesn't make sense that you're townreading Nick for scumreading Mac.

(See. This is me lying. This is me showing a bit more confidence, even though I'm actually having less and less confidence. I told you it'd be closer to the me you're used to, despite it being a lie. )

Town but please stop being so self-conscious!

I LIKE the nick wagon, he's all over the place, but I'm 99% sure Mala is scum again.

I'm 99% sure you're town but I don't have the confidence in your Mala read. Sell me if you can!

I'm currently locked out of my house. ._.

<3
I do that to myself a lot.

{mastin, FTL} pick your lynch, step right up. I'm saving people seats on the mastin wagon. Choo Choo, motherfuckers.

Your wagons could be better

Nacho, your thoughts on Mastin and Andy?

both town but i'm not as excited about mastin

aww hell just put me down as super excited about both of them.

How much do you want notscience dead this very minute?

i don't want science dead at all. I do want science to play at his normal level of towniness and have fun with the IC role, though.

the fuck are you smoking

I think it makes sense that I wasn't picking up townreads earlier. Why do you disagree?

nacho hold me all the women are scum

don't worry baby they're all town (except not completely RACH but shhhh)
and some of the cool guys are town too

10. Nachomamma8 - your posts suck nacho, where's the love

hey bb some of your reads are not able to be accepted

Preeeeeettyyy sure Nacho is town.

I think.

if you are town this game I am very impressed.

Now that we can talk about it, Andy's walls in this game tone-wise seem more like his walls in the perpetual lylo game than his early walls in the first Xeno game.

Andrius never aggressively defended himself that game, he pretended he was confident you were scum except was inconsistent in his appeals to me, constantly took irrelevant pot shots at our hydra, has already posted more in this game than he has in that one, never declared himself obvtown in that game like he has here (and he really is). He never even PUT A FUCKING VOTE DOWN in perpetual mylo or had consistent suspicions; he was too busy throwing mud all over the place he forgot he was supposed to have actual suspicions. This isn't perpetual MyLo. Scumreading you is pretty much the only parallel.

Dunnnnnn tell me what to do... i'm sleeeephy as fuck atm

My scumreads are mastin and ftl, maybe nick.

Andrius should be lynched sometime not today, maybe tomorrow. I think Mastin should go first.

mollie i'm just saying this doesn't feel at all like Venmar-town.

Would you say that this is applicable all the time or do you think Scum would be more likely to bus their partners early on day one since they know that it likely won't go anywhere serious?

empty question.

I think a better question is why would a Doctor try to protect a claimed PGO in the first place? Just to see if he's faking it?

empty question.

Any particular reason you'd assume that Scum has day-talk this game? (Did they have it in Xenoblade, maybe?)

empty question, considering he gives you an out in the question itself making it SUPER useless.

If you tell a lie often enough, does it become truth?

If you say that you're Town often enough, does that make you Town?

was there supposed to be a reason why you're voting Mastin or did I miss it in all the dancing?

If you tell a lie often enough, does it become truth?

If you say that you're Town often enough, does that make you Town?

EVERYONE IN TOWN, WATCH THIS CLIP:

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colber ... -questions

COMPARE IT TO WHAT SKULL JUST DID. AND THEN CONSIDER THAT MALA JUST SAID SHE SUPPORTED THIS VOTE.

You are town.

SoS hasn’t really been posting

I find this post slightly amusing for we're the second most posted player in this game.

I find it amusing AND scummy. But maybe I'm just a little bit crazy.

So if people have reasons
other than "MASTIN WAGON IS BAD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD" or "MASTIN'S WAGON IS SCUMDRIVEL AND THE PEOPLE ON IT ARE LAZILY PUSHING IT FOR THINGS", I'm happy to hear it. Until then, more votes on mastin, and the rest of you can go to hell.

your case sucked. the best point was the "I'M TOWN" thing and that unfortunately isn't really a scum tell for most and is a hell of a town tell for mastin.

Ok.

I think the "scumslip" is shit fyi. I have other reasons for thinking Mastin is scum

but

I'm being kept on a leash.

sorry majiffy. i'll listen to you if you want me to!

.............................................

Yeah, I think I'm best off just ignoring you until it's time to lynch you.

you're gonna be sorely disappointed if you think that time is gonna come soon.

if andy flips scum I am thinking nacho is a good candidate for a partner. he should have zeroed in on the similarities of andy's pl game and instead chose to ignore them. he is out of step plus he is picking on girls.

...!
If anything, girls have been picking on me. Hell, everyone has been picking on me and Majiffy.

I don't think Rach is a very good D1 lynch though,

Why not?

Yo Thez

Let me tell you a little secret

that's not enough to vote nor will you get enough

Cabd, what do you think the odds are if Nacho flips scum that Rach is too? Given his naked vote on her and her townread?

hey i'm liking your most recent contributions!

God, that's like smoking a cigarette.

SO GOOD

[Nachomamma8]

^^^content

Vote: Skullduggery

I am so incredibly ready for this lynch it's not even funny.

[Nachomamma8]

that wall was so long just pretend it was a case on skull and that it's so long it has to be fucking great and vote this scumbag with me

[Faster Than Light]

hi nacho varsoon said thanks

good night <3

varsoon take over

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

of course replacing him is not an issue


i'd love for orcinus to join us as conftown

yeah and we can solve the problem by replacing you out so people dont get pissed off over your play

i want orcinus he is nice

Yeah if you're going to be an asshole like that, keep it in your hydra convo. Telling a player to replace out just because you want somebody else to be there is horrible and you should feel like shit.

IAWTP

[thezmon221]

^ Yeah you are just PL'ing her for being useless.

You obviously only read like a sentence of that entire post and assumed that was the case. I'll sum it up for you. Rach is scum because...

1. She asks the most redundant and retarded questions in an effort to look like she's contributing.
2. She whores over IIoA
3. She has done absolutely no scumhunting.
4. When she does post, there is no content involved, just real life junk, IIoA, or empty questions.
5. Out of all those posts that I quoted, only one of them even had a glimmer of content.
6. A glimpse at her meta (and I don't use meta as a large factor of cases) shows almost the exact same play as Xenoblade, except that she is slightly more active.
7. She fence-sits the fuck out of this game. Only one read which isn't weak/ambiguous - Mollify (Because NS doesn't count).

But seriously, those seven pointers show

no

town motivation, nor any engagement into the game. It looks like she's just skating by, when I KNOW she is most definitely more active than she is presenting herself to be. Whether she is capable of having a fast start to games or not, this is scum right here.

So when she flips scum, you're next Mala for your awful WK'ing/buddying attempt which resulted in a terrible misrep of my case.

[Aj The Epic]

I'm 99% sure you're town but I don't have the confidence in your Mala read. Sell me if you can!

If I haven't sold you yet, I'm probably not going to be able to get you to buy a case on her. I can quote it out of my iso, but the tl;dr version is this:

Mala came in using AtE and gut
When she got pressured, asked Mollie to get Jiffy off of her.
Said FTL was scum for carrying about appearance, yet she is constantly bothered with it, whether by posting where she'll be or trying to get votes moved.
Her reaction to Varsoon when she poked him for being banned was incredibly fake.
In fact, up until the time they stopped arguing, she had almost solely focused on FTL as her only suspect.
Pushed aside Thezmon's case (largely considered a prob-town) as just wanting to PL Rach. (Rach/Mala team going on here)
She has so many associative tells to go back over, it's not funny.

If Mala is scum: FTL is town, Rach is scum. Mastin also gains a great deal of more reason to be town, which links that whole wagon on him.

*I mean, Rach argues she uses meta, and then said I feel like town, not aj scum. Yet she's only ever played in one game with me, and most people can attest to the fact large games aren't generally indicative of my coney island games.

Thezmon, that last line is beautiful.

[thezmon221]

Btw, if rach does end up being scum, her buddies are all listed in her town reads section. Just saying. 3/3 on that being the case.

Just remembered this post as I made that other tldr post – TF, how many buddies are we talking here? 1 or 2, or all of them? Generally speaking, of course.

1.

Aj The Epic

Probly town it feels like aj town rather than aj scum. but this one is a weaker town read.
3.

BeautyAndTheBeast

(pirate mollie + Majiffy) I am definitely getting a towny read here.... Given more time will have a more solid read on them since I usually can catch Jiffy scum eventually, but in the town pile for now and mollie feels more like her towny self so yeah town.
4.

BROseidon

ehhh weak town read here mainly based on the stats, but he feels like hes genuinely scum hunting...
8.

Mac

is Mac..... meh read atm but leaning to town... As he posts more will be able to solidify this.
10.

Nachomamma8

What on earth Nacho What do you mean by revenge? ehh that being said its a tad early to rule him out as town I think.... Leaning Town... B n B could you further elaborate why you see him as scum at this point besides the connection with Andy?
11.

thezmon221

Nachopappa--- Dude is probably town though not sure why the hostility? I really am a sweet chick However his tunneling looks more town tunneling than scum tunneling.
13.

nickthename

--- Not much experience with this dude, though he did very well as scum in a skype mafia game and I did not realize he was scum even in LYLO so watching this dude carefully.... Leaning town but watching....
17.

Sound of Silence

(fferyllt + GuyInFreezer) Prolific posters but most likely town.
19.

Trust Fund

(Cabd + Syryana) hmmm mostly cabd here need more syr. Not seeing the usual trolling and goofy much from Syr... So yeah very weak town read here need more from Syr...
20.

Venmar

Dude what you smokin? Not sure what I have done to you Do you have anything actual to your case besides the fact that I had not yet done reads? Leaning town however...

For future reference - when Rach flips scum, assuming TF's meta on her holds true (quoted at the top), this is who she has as town.

[Trust Fund]

Popping in from work.

So guess what guys. Rach-as-scum always puts her partners in her townpiles and leaning town piles.

Great example: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=18161 (Partners are Brosiden and Orci)

guess where they are in all her reads?

This isn't the only scumgame of hers she does this in so yeah.

More in the morning, but tomorrow, Gif and I sit down and nail this out.

Both her partners were in heavily town.

I imagine at least 2 partners in townreads section.

[zMuffinMan]

You realise the game that you're quoting that from, she has her scum partner in the leaning scum pile, essentially ruining your theory, right?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Rach is scum because...

Plzplzplz back off Rach for now and help us lynch Andy. Mollie and I will sort out Rach as soon as possible; I think we have conflicting feelings on the slot, which always leads to SuperHappyFunTimes

^TM

during the night phase back-and-forth.

[thezmon221]

You realise the game that you're quoting that from, she has her scum partner in the leaning scum pile, essentially ruining your theory, right?

Yeah, I was wondering that too. In the Newbie, maverick is her buddy and is leaning scum.

However, in Xenoblade she had both Bro AND orcinus as town. So that's a bit of a conflict.

Rach is scum because...

Plzplzplz back off Rach for now and help us lynch Andy. Mollie and I will sort out Rach as soon as possible; I think we have conflicting feelings on the slot, which always leads to SuperHappyFunTimes

^TM

during the night phase back-and-forth.

I might, if it wasn't a largely meta case. Can you sell a case to me that isn't based around meta? Because I feel really good about Rach right about now.

[zMuffinMan]

@BnB

Your reason for thinking Andrius is scum is entirely meta reasons, right?

nacho just pointed out that you're misinterpreting Andrius's meta. Or do you think your interpretation of Andrius's meta is better than nacho's because ~reason~?

I have a gut scum read on Andrius, but it's not enough that I'd want to lynch him over someone more likely to be scum based on play.

[notscience]

So

Nacho

His scumbuddy

Says they're ALL misinterpreting his meta? Why not ask others who used meta for that too, such as Mala?

[thezmon221]

Says they're ALL misinterpreting his meta? Why not ask others who used meta for that too, such as Mala?

Hey, you know that push you said you were making on Andy yesterday?

Yeah, I'm not seeing it. Maybe it'd be a good time to make that push since we're at a bit of a standstill currently.