Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 1.11

[7] Andrius (BeautyAndTheBeast, Sound of Silence, notscience, Trust Fund, Malakittens, RachMarie, Mac)
[7] RachMarie (zMuffinMan, Andrius, Desperado, Faster Than Light, thezmon221, TiphaineDeath, Aj The Epic)
[4] mastin2 (Venmar, BROseidon, nickthename, Skullduggery)
[2] Skullduggery (Ghostlin, Nachomamma8)
[1] nickthename (mastin2)

With 21 alive, it is 11 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-08-26 08:30:00)

Mac is V/LA until further notice
BROseidon is V/LA through 8/19

[Aj The Epic]

@Trust Fund - Mastin scumread is mainly gut, but I don't think this is his town meta. He tries really hard as scum to appeal to others, which is basically all of what his 2 posts are, him complaining and trying really hard to look town. Both of his posts have like 0 content in them and don't hold much fruit, they're just him complaining/AtEing and not doing any kind of substantial scumhunting or being productive, which is what he said he would be in his 1st post (#240), but 228 posts later he comes with with his 2nd post (#448) with him just complaining and slapping on random reads.

Not to mention Mastin-town is way more productive and active, and generally is an active scumhunter. As scum he tends to be more appealing and passive, and tends to choose weird and obscure ( or unpopular ) votes in general.

I think i'll have to develop this read a bit further... it's still mostly gut despite of what I just said above. I'll make a vote somewhat shortly.

This is the only semblance of a case on Mastin I found in a quick one-over of your iso. Rach has a case, has tells, associations, and support. Mastin's 'slip' wagon was awful, dispersed as such, and I already expressed why that slip wasn't even nullscum or anything of that sort. So, yes, I do have grounds to say your case is any the bit more pathetic than the Rach case.

[Venmar]

people saying NS should not be vigged get a no shit sticker

[zMuffinMan]

@bnb,

OK. It doesn't particularly bother me if it never happens, but hopefully you can understand why I'm going to ignore every argument about meta.

[Venmar]

@Trust Fund - Mastin scumread is mainly gut, but I don't think this is his town meta. He tries really hard as scum to appeal to others, which is basically all of what his 2 posts are, him complaining and trying really hard to look town. Both of his posts have like 0 content in them and don't hold much fruit, they're just him complaining/AtEing and not doing any kind of substantial scumhunting or being productive, which is what he said he would be in his 1st post (#240), but 228 posts later he comes with with his 2nd post (#448) with him just complaining and slapping on random reads.

Not to mention Mastin-town is way more productive and active, and generally is an active scumhunter. As scum he tends to be more appealing and passive, and tends to choose weird and obscure ( or unpopular ) votes in general.

I think i'll have to develop this read a bit further... it's still mostly gut despite of what I just said above. I'll make a vote somewhat shortly.

This is the only semblance of a case on Mastin I found in a quick one-over of your iso. Rach has a case, has tells, associations, and support. Mastin's 'slip' wagon was awful, dispersed as such, and I already expressed why that slip wasn't even nullscum or anything of that sort. So, yes, I do have grounds to say your case is any the bit more pathetic than the Rach case.

- I caught Rach as scum in Xenoblade MAINLY with meta tells. I THINK I KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT.

Mastin is still scum and this bullshit rach wagon has only given him reason to stop posting again.

@Nacho - Not voting skull cause it's basically a lurker lynch, we're gonna get fuck all from his flip in either case

[Nachomamma8]

@Nacho - Not voting skull cause it's basically a lurker lynch, we're gonna get fuck all from his flip in either case

...?

[Venmar]

Also LOL at people who are calling me scum because I read their scumreads as town.

MAYBE YOUR READS SUCK HMMMMMMMMMMM

[Nachomamma8]

Please tell me you didn't just utter those words to me. You are a player who has moved so far past information lynches it isn't even funny.

[Sound of Silence]

Andrius never aggressively defended himself that game, he pretended he was confident you were scum except was inconsistent in his appeals to me, constantly took irrelevant pot shots at our hydra, has already posted more in this game than he has in that one, never declared himself obvtown in that game like he has here (and he really is). He never even PUT A FUCKING VOTE DOWN in perpetual mylo or had consistent suspicions; he was too busy throwing mud all over the place he forgot he was supposed to have actual suspicions. This isn't perpetual MyLo. Scumreading you is pretty much the only parallel.

This is not the stuff I was looking at in the MYLO game except for the mud/suspicions ratio. It was more about the ill formed collection of posts from which he was drawing ill formed reads. And I think that is comparable to his initial wall in this game. Mollie put votes down in that game. I'm not surprised that as a hydra he didn't vote.

I figured out the insult thing based on older scum games and went back to MYLO later to see if it held. It did.

Can you explain what I'm missing re the purposefulness of his insults in this game?

The ragey explanation makes me wonder because I have the impression that most of the emotional content of his posts is a sort of over the top role play. I can imagine a sort of reality-based seed of anger over stuff like the out of the blue IC claim. Raging over it is pointless.

Can you make sense of his case for me/us being scum? I can't.

Also, would like your thoughts about my reasons for scum-BRO read. If you've commented on them I missed it.

[Venmar]

Hold on let me ISO that 3 post skull ISO.

k done.

Yeah thats a lurker lynch. Nacho you high stop that

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

OK. It doesn't particularly bother me if it never happens, but hopefully you can understand why I'm going to ignore every argument about meta.

Yes I understand that you're willfully ignorant that two of the best meta-based scumhunters on the site are agreeing Andy is playing to his scum meta.

That doesn't make you any less dumb for being so.

[Venmar]

Please tell me you didn't just utter those words to me. You are a player who has moved so far past information lynches it isn't even funny.

got a problem? compromise on mastin.

do not worry, i got this shit on lockdown during the night, we'll catch scum

[zMuffinMan]

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This means nothing to me.

[Nachomamma8]

Mollie put votes down in that game. I'm not surprised that as a hydra he didn't vote.

If she wasn't around, he would have no problems putting the vote down.

Can you explain what I'm missing re the purposefulness of his insults in this game?

The ragey explanation makes me wonder because I have the impression that most of the emotional content of his posts is a sort of over the top role play. I can imagine a sort of reality-based seed of anger over stuff like the out of the blue IC claim. Raging over it is pointless.

His insults towards NS aren't throwing mud at any townblocks, and are geared towards kicking his ass into gear (and I agree completely it should be kicked into gear). Other insults are gentle, more joking.

Can you make sense of his case for me/us being scum? I can't.

so page one ffery comes in going MOLLIE LETS DO DIS
mollie shows up doesn't really do things etc
ffery is all WHERE YOU AT MOLLIE
then jiffy takes over for awhile and ffery forgets about it

if this META is so GOOD and WORKS why the hell would ffery back off when jiffy shows up?

This is the basis of his paranoia and makes sense.

Also, would like your thoughts about my reasons for scum-BRO read.

I'm still watching. I'm not sure BRO would feel uncomfortable wearing the Xenoblade recent win cloak as scum at all.

[Nachomamma8]

Mollie put votes down in that game. I'm not surprised that as a hydra he didn't vote.

If she wasn't around, he would have no problems putting the vote down.

Can you explain what I'm missing re the purposefulness of his insults in this game?

The ragey explanation makes me wonder because I have the impression that most of the emotional content of his posts is a sort of over the top role play. I can imagine a sort of reality-based seed of anger over stuff like the out of the blue IC claim. Raging over it is pointless.

His insults towards NS aren't throwing mud at any townblocks, and are geared towards kicking his ass into gear (and I agree completely it should be kicked into gear). Other insults are gentle, more joking.

Can you make sense of his case for me/us being scum? I can't.

so page one ffery comes in going MOLLIE LETS DO DIS
mollie shows up doesn't really do things etc
ffery is all WHERE YOU AT MOLLIE
then jiffy takes over for awhile and ffery forgets about it

if this META is so GOOD and WORKS why the hell would ffery back off when jiffy shows up?

This is the basis of his paranoia and makes sense.

Also, would like your thoughts about my reasons for scum-BRO read.

I'm still watching. I'm not sure BRO would feel uncomfortable wearing the Xenoblade recent win cloak as scum at all.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

best meta-based scumhunters

This means nothing to me.

Maybe this will, then.

[Nachomamma8]

best meta-based scumhunters

This means nothing to me.

If you discount a style of scumhunting, you miss out on a lot of good stuff and suffer as a player as a result.

[zMuffinMan]

If you discount a style of scumhunting, you miss out on a lot of good stuff and suffer as a player as a result.

OK.

Which is why I said I'd consider it if they show in detail why Andrius is scum for meta reasons.

bnb just outright said it shouldn't matter and I should trust them because

best meta-based scumhunters

[Sound of Silence]

This is the basis of his paranoia and makes sense.

Except that molllie was around, making posts, and interacting with me off and on during the first few hours of the game. I townread B&B based first and foremost on mollie's cotributions and reactions to me because I read her better than I do Majiffy in the early game.

There is an implicit assumption here that Andie isn't able to differentiate Majiffy posts from MOllie posts. Do you think he can't?

[Nachomamma8]

I don't think he'd lie about that.

[Nachomamma8]

It's something that seems pretty much useless to lie about except to shuffle weak suspicion onto someone who he knows is never ever ever getting lynched.

[Venmar]

like mwah

[Sound of Silence]

I'm still watching. I'm not sure BRO would feel uncomfortable wearing the Xenoblade recent win cloak as scum at all.

I said that might not be alignment indicative, though it's what first caught my attention in RVS. My situation isn't parallel, but I'm drawing some inferences about my comfort level vs his.

I'm more interested in what you think about this part of my reply to Ghostlin.

But, I'm not seeing the well defined observations and really spot-on quote-and-call-out posts that I associate with his play. Everything is kind of mushy and even inaccurate (e.g., the comment about GiF/me not posting much).

[Sound of Silence]

It's something that seems pretty much useless to lie about except to shuffle weak suspicion onto someone who he knows is never ever ever getting lynched.

Does he know that? I played a pretty weak game in Xeno 1, and that plus MYLO are our only completed games together.

[Faster Than Light]

Hey guys, Varsoon here. Letting you know that I am factually-actually working on the biggest, dumbest reads list I've probably ever done. The problem I've hit already is that I was originally composing it in MafiaScum and when I clicked to preview it at one point, the site had an SQL error or something and I lost a lot of my progress. I'm currently nine pages deep in it again (that's nine pages in MSWord, ugh) and about a fourth done. I'm going to run it by Metal Sonic later tonight/tomorrow morning, then likely have it posted for Saturday.

You guys aren't ready, so prepare your butts.

-V