Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Sound of Silence]

It's something that seems pretty much useless to lie about except to shuffle weak suspicion onto someone who he knows is never ever ever getting lynched.

Also SIGN YOUR GODDAMN POSTS is a pretty easy thing to hide misdirection behind. Mollie tried that repeatedly in the MYLO game and I think Andy also threw that into his wall.

[Sound of Silence]

OK. It doesn't particularly bother me if it never happens, but hopefully you can understand why I'm going to ignore every argument about meta.

Yes I understand that you're willfully ignorant that two of the best meta-based scumhunters on the site are agreeing Andy is playing to his scum meta.

That doesn't make you any less dumb for being so.

This is soooo going to piss off Cabd.

[Trust Fund]

OK. It doesn't particularly bother me if it never happens, but hopefully you can understand why I'm going to ignore every argument about meta.

Yes I understand that you're willfully ignorant that two of the best meta-based scumhunters on the site are agreeing Andy is playing to his scum meta.

That doesn't make you any less dumb for being so.

This is soooo going to piss off Cabd.

It's okay I'm already over it. But yes, that's THREE meta-based players, not two.

[Venmar]

Hey guys, Varsoon here. Letting you know that I am factually-actually working on the biggest, dumbest reads list I've probably ever done. The problem I've hit already is that I was originally composing it in MafiaScum and when I clicked to preview it at one point, the site had an SQL error or something and I lost a lot of my progress. I'm currently nine pages deep in it again (that's nine pages in MSWord, ugh) and about a fourth done. I'm going to run it by Metal Sonic later tonight/tomorrow morning, then likely have it posted for Saturday.

You guys aren't ready, so prepare your butts.

-V

Hope you realize i wont read it if it's a wall

[Sound of Silence]

OK. It doesn't particularly bother me if it never happens, but hopefully you can understand why I'm going to ignore every argument about meta.

Yes I understand that you're willfully ignorant that two of the best meta-based scumhunters on the site are agreeing Andy is playing to his scum meta.

That doesn't make you any less dumb for being so.

This is soooo going to piss off Cabd.

It's okay I'm already over it. But yes, that's THREE meta-based players, not two.

While you are here, want to talk about Andy meta and Nacho's counter-arguments?

[Faster Than Light]

Hey guys, Varsoon here. Letting you know that I am factually-actually working on the biggest, dumbest reads list I've probably ever done. The problem I've hit already is that I was originally composing it in MafiaScum and when I clicked to preview it at one point, the site had an SQL error or something and I lost a lot of my progress. I'm currently nine pages deep in it again (that's nine pages in MSWord, ugh) and about a fourth done. I'm going to run it by Metal Sonic later tonight/tomorrow morning, then likely have it posted for Saturday.

You guys aren't ready, so prepare your butts.

-V

Hope you realize i wont read it if it's a wall

I do realize this. Don't worry, I've gotten pretty good at formatting fat-as-fuck posts.
It's currently over 3,000 words, but I'm using post-links rather than quotes and spoiler-tagging evidence/PBP-analysis. I'm trying to avoid IIoA situations, and speak towards the content, trajectory, and appeals of each post that I do link to. On the surface, it'll be a reads list with Scum/ Null-leaning / Town, accompanied by three sentences explaining each read, and a marker of how many posts that user had when I did the read/ISO on them. You'll be able to open spoiler tags to see how I got to the three-sentence summaries, but it should all be in a format that's easy to decipher.

C'mon, I'm not Andrius.

-V

[Trust Fund]

OK. It doesn't particularly bother me if it never happens, but hopefully you can understand why I'm going to ignore every argument about meta.

Yes I understand that you're willfully ignorant that two of the best meta-based scumhunters on the site are agreeing Andy is playing to his scum meta.

That doesn't make you any less dumb for being so.

This is soooo going to piss off Cabd.

It's okay I'm already over it. But yes, that's THREE meta-based players, not two.

While you are here, want to talk about Andy meta and Nacho's counter-arguments?

I disagree with nacho's counter agurements and find the difference to be pretty striking. It was also fairly evident that the early game banter between SoS and BnB was more in jest/rvs than anything else.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

You guys aren't ready, so prepare your butts.

-V

Can it be followed by a tl;dr?

[Faster Than Light]

You guys aren't ready, so prepare your butts.

-V

Can it be followed by a tl;dr?

I just said I wasn't Andrius.
Also, it's in a format that's easy to read. You'll be able to know what alignment I've read everyone as within 10 seconds. In five minutes, you'l be able to read articulated explanations for why. Within an hour, you'll be able to see every post that speaks towards how I've gotten to those stances in the explanations. I don't expect every player to read the whole thing, but instead to use it as a means of reading my position, referring back to it, and getting how I feel about every player given the frankly large amount of content that we have to work with. It'll function as a current reads-list, a means of plotting my trajectory, and of seeing what posts through the whole game have brought me to where I am right now.

-V

[Faster Than Light]

I did a similar thing before (don't recall which game, might've been Borkmafia) and I found it wasn't useful, I still got lynched, and players just focused on the shit I had to say about them, rather than what I was talking about globally.

Still, I think it's important, and so I'm doing my own thing here.

-V

[mastin2]

which of my reads are different to yours

I'm going to give you the unfiltered version as soon as I catch up. Basically, I was hoping to hold onto my secret reads and have the results of them revealed D2, but I can't keep this up, 'specially given how transparent I am. So you'll see 'em pretty much after this post.

Buuuuuut...

Stop lynching Skullduggery. If my theory is correct, Skull is town.

Also, Aj moves to basically-conftown status. You'll be seeing why in a bit.

/begins typing. This'll...take a while. Don't rush into a lynch, because this is important info to have.

[Sound of Silence]

I did a similar thing before (don't recall which game, might've been Borkmafia) and I found it wasn't useful, I still got lynched, and players just focused on the shit I had to say about them, rather than what I was talking about globally.

Still, I think it's important, and so I'm doing my own thing here.

-V

I remember you doing something like that in the borkgame. I think Remembrance/Icebox did, too.

[zMuffinMan]

someone unvote skullduggery so he doesn't get lynched before mastin is able to post

[Faster Than Light]

I did a similar thing before (don't recall which game, might've been Borkmafia) and I found it wasn't useful, I still got lynched, and players just focused on the shit I had to say about them, rather than what I was talking about globally.

Still, I think it's important, and so I'm doing my own thing here.

-V

I remember you doing something like that in the borkgame. I think Remembrance/Icebox did, too.

Yeah, I have a little more confidence in this player pool. I feel like they'll actually -read- what I write and won't just cherry-pick and use it as a huge way of slamming me.
Currently weighing in at 4,244 words and not even halfway done. At least the B&B readISO is done, so that's a lot of work down. I'm about 400 posts deep, but I don't have to read myself, so that'll save some hassle. Dreading when I get to players like SoS and Trust Fund, but having an IC helps a lot in the 'amount I have to read and decipher' department.

-V

[Aj The Epic]

[2] Skullduggery (Ghostlin, Nachomamma8)

He's not even close to a lynch, Muffin...?

[Faster Than Light]

someone unvote skullduggery so he doesn't get lynched before mastin is able to post

Lol, skull has two votes on 'm.



-V

[Malakittens]

someone unvote skullduggery so he doesn't get lynched before mastin is able to post

Yes because 2 votes out of 11 is really close to bein lynched.

[Trust Fund]

[2] Skullduggery (Ghostlin, Nachomamma8)

He's not even close to a lynch, Muffin...?

someone unvote skullduggery so he doesn't get lynched before mastin is able to post

Lol, skull has two votes on 'm.



-V

someone unvote skullduggery so he doesn't get lynched before mastin is able to post

Yes because 2 votes out of 11 is really close to bein lynched.

You all fail "finding jokes in a game" 101.

[Malakittens]

No you can blame Mastin. He's trying to keep votes off skull.

[Faster Than Light]

someone unvote skullduggery so he doesn't get lynched before mastin is able to post

Yes because 2 votes out of 11 is really close to bein lynched.

someone unvote skullduggery so he doesn't get lynched before mastin is able to post

Lol, skull has two votes on 'm.



-V

[2] Skullduggery (Ghostlin, Nachomamma8)

He's not even close to a lynch, Muffin...?

Hahah, this hivemind.

Back to writing the Iliad.

P-EDIT:
TrustFund, you're such a shit. There's nothing indicating that's a joke, unless the disparity from the truth is what you're picking up on, but that incongruity is funny in itself, not so much because MuffinMan was making conscious use of it. You probably think republicans were joking about their stances on rape, weren't you?

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[borkjerfkin]

You probably think republicans were joking about their stances on rape, weren't you?

[Faster Than Light]

Sorry, here's what I was getting at with that:

Spoiler:

For some clarification on that analogy: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/07/16 ... -remember/

I think the "It was a joke" defense doesn't work here, Trust Fund. Try again.

-V

[thezmon221]

Thezmons #1430 is probably a nice example of why we should not be lynching Rachmaria

Hey. You're probably one of those players who resists just for pride reasons, aren't you? 1490sums up the whole argument if you're gonna be like Mala and said, "buh buh but you're voting her cuz she's useless." Fact of the matter is, it's far, far deeper than that, and the uselessness is centered on total scum motivation. Go ahead and read some more after 1490 of Aj's posts on association and such, and then read a few of Muffin. All signs point to Rach scum.

[Trust Fund]

I'm not going to even respond to such an improper metaphor, and you should be ashamed you posted that. Do it again and we can talk it out with the listmod instead.

[Faster Than Light]

Thezmons #1430 is probably a nice example of why we should not be lynching Rachmaria

Hey. You're probably one of those players who resists just for pride reasons, aren't you? 1490sums up the whole argument if you're gonna be like Mala and said, "buh buh but you're voting her cuz she's useless." Fact of the matter is, it's far, far deeper than that, and the uselessness is centered on total scum motivation. Go ahead and read some more after 1490 of Aj's posts on association and such, and then read a few of Muffin. All signs point to Rach scum.

I'll get to this in my ISO.
MS and I have different opinions on Rach and we're reading the Rach wagon in a way that should be looked at.
Nice of you to notice that disparity, though.

-V