In post 752, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In the end, I don't think this is a likely-Antagon scum move. My personal rules for listing are that newscum are most likely to have at least one buddy in null/null leaning listing, bus heavy scum are most likely to have at least one buddy in scum listing, protective scum are most likely to have at least one buddy in town listing. Idea behind newscum is that they don't want to leave obvious connections to their partners so they don't want to single them out with such an obvious connection, which is pretty much exactly what Antagon did to Gen Wolf here. Don't think he would fuck over his partner as he was going down this way since he showed at least a little respect for his partner by attempting to root out a PR before he went down.
Well, Antagon is not newscum. He's joined november 2012. I don't have any experience with him before, so anything he would do or wouldn't do is a big question mark for me.
In the midst of a bunch of people attacking you, it seems unnatural for scum to immediately begin buddying someone who finally takes their side a bit. As scum, it means that you did something right in that person's eyes and you don't really want to do anything to fuck it up, so it ended up coming across as more of a "thank you for showing that my side has validity" more than anything else.[/quote]
Cornered as he was, Gen Wolf could have reached out like this, so he could get some help getting out of the situation he was in. This is not alignment indicative to me.
In post 415, Gen_Wolf wrote:You oaks are so far off who scum actually are they just not killing because your doing the work for them.
This comes from such an extremely paranoid place that I seriously doubt it could be coming from scum.[/quote]
Not really. This thought process was initially why I reconsidered my read on Generic. It proved to be false.
In post 428, Gen_Wolf wrote:Honestly, I obviously want town to win. However, if it came to it and after some discussion people are unsure I would rather have them lynch me than potentially expose a PR or what not. I'll take a bullet for the team in that regard but I just encourage everyone to use the time we have.
This is also really, really town and not the type of post that I think scum-Gen is capable of faking.[/quote]
Or it could be a last attempt to shift our opinion on him.
On a more general note for Flay's play, play between
here and what we're seeing now seems very different.
Scumflay wrote:I would still like for someone to explain how I'm being 'inconsistent'. I'm seeing a lot of bare claims designed to delegitimize me, but nothing actually provable.
Mysteryflay wrote:I'm on my phone right now so no big post, but I am at L-1 is that right? Somebody better have a GOOD case...
Mysteryflay wrote:My predecessor definitely had some dumb things to say (including not wanting to lynch Antagon), so if I still look like a good lynch by the end of the Day, so be it.
From my limited understanding of Flay as scum, he takes an aggressive stance towards people who suspect him, which is something he started out with upon replacing in (suggesting playstyle), but then dropped it immediately after reading the game. I don't think that scumFlay is the type of player to posture for the "oh just kill me if my predecessor was too scummy"; he wouldn't bring that up in the first place, would try to get his foot in the door with the analysis posts he made and defend Gen as scummy but still town.
His suspicions as scum are also not really fleshed out so well; he tends to control rhetoric as opposed to actually try to sort people out. He's hoppy, he's opportunistic, he's pretty much a classic scum player in that respect. But certain things lately have seen extremely genuine, in a way that scumFlay can't (or didn't) replicate in that previous game; he didn't focus on lurkers for lurking, he focused on making people who should be centers of attention, and the latest "I will not hammer Generic" would require himscum refusing to hammer a townie when as scum he has pretty much every reason to.
Overall, I might be giving Gen Wolf too much credit and underestimating Flay-scum, but the slot seems town town town to me and I have serious difficulty imagining them flipping scum.[/quote]
I have no previous experience with Flay. And I'll admit that his play has been pretty good. But I fear that he is just an excellent player and has the ability to come back from the position he was in.
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So basically, from all of the arguments you made, there isn't one that makes me think that he is 100% town.
Sure, it's possible. But I still doubt it.
Karnage/Miss Stranger has been a strong townread throughout this entire game. And then all there's left is me and you.
So for me, choosing between Flay and Karnage is still easy. Unless there's something huge I'm missing in my Karnage read?
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