Mini 1482: Castle - A Mafia Murder So Vile (GAME OVER)

[Natirasha]

Can we do a quick swap to mantis as today's lynch?

[Wisdom]

Vote serra, people.

[penguin_alien]

Wisdom, serra or havingfitz? Although both seem like you're pushing votes that don't have much behind them. havingfitz is V/LA, and serra replaced a lurky slot. Is serra pushing theslimer lynch really enough to make him your strongest scum read? If so, can you elaborate?

[Wisdom]

serra is scummy on his own, it has nothing to do with his slot.
Yes, his push on slimer feels forced. I've played enough with him and I don't think he's the type to get so annoyed about a lurker to the point of not only wanting to policy but go "ok when slimer wins ill blacklist you all".
I could lynch havingfitz too but I don't say no to let him return from his V/LA and post some more first.

So, serra.

[Bert]

desperado is a bad vote.
what use would he have as scum to move the lynch away from TNE?

no one is that obvious as scum partners. and that's over the top whiteknighting

Ewwwwwwww

I have a bad feeling about you now, you destroyed my beautiful read on you

Decisions, decisions...let's go with gut instinct

Can we do a quick swap to mantis as today's lynch?

Yes

Hell yes, we are on the same page on mantis

I could lynch havingfitz too but I don't say no to let him return from his V/LA and post some more first.

So, serra.

Fitz is usually so messy/wall-y that I can't get much of a read when he's active (which he's not for 10 whole friggin days). He has been null for me, so I'm with you on that waiting thing.

Serra's reaction to theslimer may seem pretty overboard to you....but I actually understand the frustrations totally...it's the same reason I Was called out for going after Nat early on in the game *shrug* Plus Serra replaced Arc, who I actually kinda liked.

Vote: Mantis

UGH I am gonna sooo get in trouble for flash wagoning.

"BERT FLASH WAGONING IS BAD DUDE WHAT R YA THINKIN, DO U HAFTA DO THAT"

Tell you what, busters, let's take this midnight train to GEORGIA

[Bert]

i don't think havingfitz seems overly scummy, to be honest. which is why i havent voted him. his case looked a little sus... but, still not overly scummy.

This is your last mention of fitz. Come back. What are you thinking right now?

Who are you willing to lynch today

[Desperado]

So we have 36 hours left and the deadline is somewhere in the middle of Sunday night, so we really need to get something done.

You guys are obviously intent on letting slimer play this sort of game, so I can only hope he'll replace out or something. I really don't have the tenacity to see this through. If he is scum and wins this, or if he's town and ends up getting mislynched in LyLo, I'll just need to avoid games with him, or better play with people I know don't fuck around with lynching lurkers and other anti-town play.

I mean, I'm sorry serra, but Slimer has done anything but lurk since his V/LA ended. While his contributions have been hit and miss since, to accuse him of lurking is patently wrong.

@DESP: Now, THAT is retarded.

Why? I'd rather NL than lynch a townread. It's pretty simple, and it's not a death sentence or something. We NLed D1 in WWE (multiball large theme) and steamrolled the scum because of it.

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Vote: Serrapaladin

Bert, we aren't doing Mantis today.

[Bert]

Why do you think Mantis is not worth a lynch today? (Lurking does not qualify, as Mantis has not definitively been lurking.)

Also, you and Mantis's outright refusal to vote each other is noted. I need explanations now.

^Just so we're clear, I want them so that I can show you three why you're wrong.

Then we can lynch from Bert/Mantis/Tayter because this wagon blows.

Your last mention of Mantis in this game...update time, bub

[Desperado]

I don't think there's any likelihood you can push a mantis lynch through, do you?

[Bert]

Why? I'd rather NL than lynch a townread. It's pretty simple, and it's not a death sentence or something. We NLed D1 in WWE (multiball large theme) and steamrolled the scum because of it.

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Vote: Serrapaladin

Bert, we aren't doing Mantis today.

How is a MULTIBALL LARGE theme game applicable here? That you're using a game that is totally not the same as a mid-sized mini blows my mind.

Why are you ignoring my questions

let me ask you another question then. do you think YOU can push a Serra lynch through?

The more you ignore my questions, the more questions you're getting

and if you go "SORRY I DONT ANSWER STUPID QUESTIONS"

then my vote's going back to you

[Bert]

EBWOP: Yes, I believe I can push a Mantis vote through.

[Malakittens]

Castle: Jewelry. I never would've thought of that.
Beckett: I guess I'll have to remind you when my birthday's coming up.
Castle: Why, Detective Beckett, was that a hint you just dropped?
Beckett: Why, Mr. Castle, I do believe it was.
Castle: Shameless.

1.20

With thirteen alive it will take seven to lynch.

*macmollie - thenewearth [1]
*theslimer3 - Lynx_Shine [1]
*Sweet Pertayter -
*thenewearth - penguin_alien [1]
*Mantisdreamz - havingfitz, Bert [2]
*Wisdom -
*Serrapaladin - macmollie, theslimer3, Wisdom, Desperado [4]
*Desperado - Serrapaladin, Sweet Pertayter, Natirasha [3]
*Lynx_Shine -
*Bert -
*Natirasha -
*penguin_alien -
*havingfitz - Mantisdreamz [1]

Not Voting [0]:

Chapter 1 Ends..

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2013-08-19 03:52:00)

(There are no hints/clues in this flavor or in any flavor of the vote counts or death scenes. It's for entertainment purposes.)

[Desperado]

How is a MULTIBALL LARGE theme game applicable here? That you're using a game that is totally not the same as a mid-sized mini blows my mind.

Why are you ignoring my questions

let me ask you another question then. do you think YOU can push a Serra lynch through?

The more you ignore my questions, the more questions you're getting

and if you go "SORRY I DONT ANSWER STUPID QUESTIONS"

then my vote's going back to you

Um...it isn't? I was just saying that a D1 NL isn't an apocalypse scenario, and if anything would be more damaging in a large where there are multiple scum kills.

Yes, I'm pretty confident I could get serra lynched.

What question did I ignore?

[Bert]

Why do you think Mantis is not worth a lynch today?

Um...it isn't? I was just saying that a D1 NL isn't an apocalypse scenario, and if anything would be more damaging in a large where there are multiple scum kills.

Yeah, it may not be an APOCALYPSE, but how is it a plausible thing to do ANYWHERE, especially in this game. No flips for D2. D2 is practically D1 again except Scum will have gotten a free kill and gotten to discuss more strategy.

I'd rather NL than vote mollie, wisdom, or tne

Are you THAT sure of all three of those townreads you mentioned that you would opt for a NL over them? Because of meta?

[Bert]

EBWOP: So far, your only reason for "Mantis is not worth a lynch" seems to be "Bert, you know you can't push a lynch on him/her through just because."

[Desperado]

Are you THAT sure of all three of those townreads you mentioned that you would opt for a NL over them? Because of meta?

In TNE's case, yeah. The other two are just town. You disagree?

EBWOP: So far, your only reason for "Mantis is not worth a lynch" seems to be "Bert, you know you can't push a lynch on him/her through just because."

We're 15 hours to the deadline. What other reason do I need? I don't think you have the support for a mantis lynch ready to go and you don't have enough time to make a case, so how is your vote doing anything other than help facilitate a NL?

[Bert]

Are you THAT sure of all three of those townreads you mentioned that you would opt for a NL over them? Because of meta?

In TNE's case, yeah. The other two are just town. You disagree?

Meh, I like mollie - she's being so paranoid as heck, and we are clashing like we normally do when she is town (in my experience).

Wisdom, not too sure. I've dayvigged him and been wrong. I don't disagree, but I wouldn't go "IM NOT GONNA LYNCH HIM, ID RATHER NL"

TNE is derp central like me. I mean, heck he/she was calling me scum with Mollie on page freakin 5. So I wouldn't be sad to see him/her go, it's hard to get a read on people like him/her without past experience.

How you're SO sure on Day 1 without flips that you're willing to NL in order to protect your town reads is what gets me. Do you not see how terrible that makes you look

You should feel bad

We're 15 hours to the deadline. What other reason do I need? I don't think you have the support for a mantis lynch ready to go and you don't have enough time to make a case, so how is your vote doing anything other than help facilitate a NL?

Oh shoot, I'm gonna lose my argument with you. Just realized Mollie and Slimer are voting Serra too. WHATTTT this is not fair.

You + Wisdom + Mollie + Slimer...that's 4.

[Bert]

EBWOP: No, 4 is not much better than my 3.

If Nat votes for Mantis, that'll be 3.

I'm not at a disadvantage here. So hell no.

[Wisdom]

Bert, vote serra already.

[Desperado]

Meh, I like mollie - she's being so paranoid as heck, and we are clashing like we normally do when she is town (in my experience).

Wisdom, not too sure. I've dayvigged him and been wrong. I don't disagree, but I wouldn't go "IM NOT GONNA LYNCH HIM, ID RATHER NL"

TNE is derp central like me. I mean, heck he/she was calling me scum with Mollie on page freakin 5. So I wouldn't be sad to see him/her go, it's hard to get a read on people like him/her without past experience.

How you're SO sure on Day 1 without flips that you're willing to NL in order to protect your town reads is what gets me. Do you not see how terrible that makes you look

You should feel bad

I don't feel bad and don't give a fuck how it makes me look. What are you even getting at here? It basically sounds like you're saying I shouldn't have any confidence in my reads and should have let TNE get lynched. Do I have that right?

[Desperado]

EBWOP: No, 4 is not much better than my 3.

If Nat votes for Mantis, that'll be 3.

I'm not at a disadvantage here. So hell no.

Your vote counts both ways though. So you can either put Serra to 5 or hope Nat gets here before deadline and puts your Mantis wagon to 3. And then who?

[Bert]

I don't feel bad and don't give a fuck how it makes me look. What are you even getting at here? It basically sounds like you're saying I shouldn't have any confidence in my reads and should have let TNE get lynched. Do I have that right?

OK, so I kinda like the tone about I DONT GIVE A BLEEP WHAT I LOOK LIKE.

But no, you're twisting my words. I stand by my comment that your "I'd rather NL than lynch X Y and Z" is bad and you should feel bad. And you're implying no confidence in my ability to garner the support needed for a mantis lynch. am I not convincing enough?

see Wisdom

you're supposed to be pissed off like Desp is

what's wrong with you this game, I haven't pissed you off and gotten you riled up and stuff...WHAT

Bert, vote serra already.

Tell me, are you going to let go of this Serra tunnel ever - meh why did I just ask you that

and I will vote before I go to bed tonight (2-3 hours before deadline) if the ONLY lynch available and possible is Serra.

Until then, hold your butts

Your vote counts both ways though. So you can either put Serra to 5 or hope Nat gets here before deadline and puts your Mantis wagon to 3. And then who?

Nat's gonna be here alright. She/he better be lurking around. If 15 hours until deadline doesn't catch her/his interest, then I Don't know what will

[Desperado]

But no, you're twisting my words. I stand by my comment that your "I'd rather NL than lynch X Y and Z" is bad and you should feel bad. And you're implying no confidence in my ability to garner the support needed for a mantis lynch. am I not convincing enough?

Do you have a case that I missed?

[Wisdom]

I've gotten used to you, you'll eventually vote serra anyway.

[Bert]

But no, you're twisting my words. I stand by my comment that your "I'd rather NL than lynch X Y and Z" is bad and you should feel bad. And you're implying no confidence in my ability to garner the support needed for a mantis lynch. am I not convincing enough?

Do you have a case that I missed?

548 was terribad and I'm amazed that you overlooked that.

the "no one is that obvious as scum partners" just pings my scumdar to hell, baby

I'm a gut reader, do you have a problem with me?

I've gotten used to you, you'll eventually vote serra anyway.

Psshh. You're not catching quite enough flak for me to be comfortable with you as town. Plus, my gut isn't pinging and I haven't called you scum yet via gut at any point. Once that does, I'll be more comfy.

You're town-read by Bert for now. If you keep leading lynches on town and you're still alive late in the game, you gotta go though methinks