Mini 1486: Fruit Basket Mafia (Game Over)

[Kid A]

anyone who "accidentally" quickhammered would have been lynched on policy

[pdmedic]

anyone who "accidentally" quickhammered would have been lynched on policy

Ok it's my first game so I'll take your word for it.

[Buffy vs Dracula]

Hey, Kid A-- would appreciate an answer to my question.

Why isn't it a good time to expound on your reads?

They are my reads I will explain them when I feel is a good time.

and I do agree that Slandaar hiding his reads is at the least giving an anti-town vibe.

I do not believe that is what he said.

At least? what are you implying? why have you not explained your reads at present?

Being as unhelpful as possible? Only responding to people who ask him to contribute more to shoot them down? Pointless crypticism up the wazoo? Looks like Slandaar's on his towngame.

EBWOP:

@Mod:

are you sure buffy vs. dracula are a hydra of the two respective names?

An onyx cad doodled ivy loos. :0)

Well, formerfish was targeted and put at L-1 pretty much immediately. That's pretty much my only reason why I don't think he's scum.

So you think he's town because he got pushed up to L-1?

Buffy V. Dracula agreed with her in post #39 when Buffy V. Dracula says he was Just Kidding in Post #28.

To clarify: the intent was to explain that players are frequently run up to L-1 in the RVS stage of the game and that it's generally viewed as scummy to overreact to pressure through running Fishy up to L-1 and back down to L-2 in the same post. It would have been funnier if I knew how to make one of those frickin unvote tags.

I might be misreading what you're saying here, though. The run-on ran on.

--Buffy

[Buffy vs Dracula]

Also, Drac's sort of busy atm. But I can cover for him. I'll even make the little vampire smileys for him!! >:E

[mnemonicdevice]

Really hoping for some more specifics here, mnem. What's scummier-- the first statement or the second statement?

The First one, The wording makes it seem as if it is set that he is scum, and isn't town. Just weird writing

[pdmedic]

Buffy I saw your ruin up and down in the same post and read it as you joking the post by elyse later using your post to justify her actions is what seemed scummy on Elyse's part.

[mnemonicdevice]

@Mod:

I am V/la until the 24th. Sorry about not posting. I have internet, just cant use it often.

[A Simple Plan]

Seeing pdmedic's activity starting to pick up a bit and seeing that he's trying, I'm going to go ahead and...
UNVOTE: pdmedic.

Now, as far as my current reads go, I'm getting a town read from BvD, Stubbs, and pdmedic, with weak town reads on Gee Gee and Formerfish. Desperado is also a weak town read.

Kid A is probably my top scum read right now, followed by Slandaar. Retreading things, I don't get a good feeling from Kid A's #30, even though I'm fairly certain it was a joke, and I feel like his play is just... Off, I guess, for lack of a better word. His 121 and 123 seem to just be repetitive to pry at pdmedic to get him active, and im unsure what to make of it beyond nagging for answers. I also notice BvD mentioning him ignoring a question from BvD. I still think being able to discuss people's reads and having a chance to get another perspective on a person's behavior would be beneficial to the town, and refusing to share reads isn't being productive, hence my suspicions about Slandaar.

Elyse is also giving off scum vibes, but I'm unsure there; UberKang is giving off mixed vibes, but if I had to guess, I'd say town. Mnemonic Device is reading very unproductive and suspicious as well. From what I've seen of Alexcellent gives off weak scum, but he needs to get active too.

VOTE: Kid A

[Kid A]

oops i guess slandaar was right

VOTE: a simple plan

[Kid A]

So, Kid A-- do you still think Formerfish is "obvscum"?

i exagerrated my read on formerfish for better reactions

What reaction were you expecting from a guy you'd been egging on at L-2?

You (and to a lesser extent Elyse) were pushing hard for his hammer one page into the game. I would expect a false positive in that position.

i wanted a wagon but never pushed for hammer

i didnt have any expected reaction

other people reacted to me pushing other than ff (see asp's manufactured read on me)

[StubbsKVM]

Well, formerfish was targeted and put at L-1 pretty much immediately. That's pretty much my only reason why I don't think he's scum.

So you think he's town because he got pushed up to L-1?

Well, that and because Elyse's pushing him for overreacting, which he didn't.

[Slandaar]

Stubbs stop basing reads on unflipped players actions especially when the person in question is town.

[StubbsKVM]

It's how my brain works.
People getting Attacked by my scum reads for bad reasons are usually town for me.

[UberKang]

Uberkang, what are your reads on Desperado and Elyse so far?

Desperado, leaning town. Elyse, definitely leaning scum.

Desperado coz he's calling it straight. His #32 is pretty much spot on; Formerfish was giving us a reaction, but it wasn't a magical telltale scared-newb-scum reaction. That he calls and pushes Elyse on it strongly (the rest of his page 2 posts) looks town motivated to me. Although I'm not 100% sure as to why he sees her #60 as particularly damning - can you explain this to me please Desperado?

Elyse's pushing of the Formerfish wagon is misguided at best and scummy at worst. Fish's reactions were not scummy, the posts she quotes in her #35 don't illustrate it at all. I really didn't like that she tried to pull Buffy, me and Alexcellent in on her side either.

I don't like how now (page 5) the issue morphed into whether Elyse wanted Formerfish lynched or not. I don't think this is the issue at all. The issue was and is her misrepresenting his reactions as being scummy.

Also:

Ok. I have a townread on you. Good job.

I find this really dodgy, I'm not sure I can pinpoint exactly why. Combined with the immediately preceding interactions Elyse has with pdmedic and StubbsKVM, it seems manipulative.

Also in other news weighing in on the Slandaar withholding his reads thing - I don't think it really matters at this stage. He'll have to reveal things eventually and if he wants to hold his cards to his chest right now that's fine, as long as we get some other contributions in the meantime.

Finally, I'm a bit iffy on Alexcellent. Grand total of one post with content also citing Formerfish's reaction as suspect but that's it. Given he said he'd post more after work and it's been like 4 days, the dude must pull some mammoth shifts!

[UberKang]

Forgot to vote.
VOTE: Elyse

[Elyse]

Ok I'm sorry but how the fuck is "I have a townread on you" dodgy?

[Desperado]

Desperado coz he's calling it straight. His #32 is pretty much spot on; Formerfish was giving us a reaction, but it wasn't a magical telltale scared-newb-scum reaction. That he calls and pushes Elyse on it strongly (the rest of his page 2 posts) looks town motivated to me. Although I'm not 100% sure as to why he sees her #60 as particularly damning - can you explain this to me please Desperado?

"No comments on the votes on you?" was a leading question no matter what Elyse says, and clearly implied that Simple Plan should have commented on his votes and was scummy for not doing it. Coming directly on the heels of Elyse's push on Fish (for commenting on votes on him) was really jarring and doesn't look like real scumhunting, just busy work.

Ok I'm sorry but how the fuck is "I have a townread on you" dodgy?

For me it was the "good job" comment, as if Stubbs should be elated that you've read him as town + blatant pacification.

[Elyse]

If it was such a leading question, then why didn't I jump on him afterwards? Because it wasn't and I didn't intend to.

You interpret things way out of proportion, Desperado. Saying good job does not mean that Stubbs should be elated. Stop misrepresenting everything I say and warping it into something scummy. Take the tunnel vision glasses off and think simpler.

[Alexcellent]

Sorry for my lack of activity, getting caught up

[Formerfish]

If it was such a leading question, then why didn't I jump on him afterwards? Because it wasn't and I didn't intend to.

You interpret things way out of proportion, Desperado. Saying good job does not mean that Stubbs should be elated. Stop misrepresenting everything I say and warping it into something scummy. Take the tunnel vision glasses off and think simpler.

You didn't jump on him because he didn't give the answer that you were looking for that would allow you to do that.

[Slandaar]

Sorry for my lack of activity, getting caught up

It is a long thread so take your time.

[Formerfish]

Reading ~30 post an hour seems pretty normal right?

[Elyse]

If it was such a leading question, then why didn't I jump on him afterwards? Because it wasn't and I didn't intend to.

You interpret things way out of proportion, Desperado. Saying good job does not mean that Stubbs should be elated. Stop misrepresenting everything I say and warping it into something scummy. Take the tunnel vision glasses off and think simpler.

You didn't jump on him because he didn't give the answer that you were looking for that would allow you to do that.

And what answer was that?

Seriously. What answer could I have pounced on him for in response to that question? It wasn't a leading question. He responded in a townie matter. It would be scummy if he said something like "Yeah but I haven't been sharing my comments" or something like that but the way I phrased the question has no bearing on his answer, especially since I garnered a townish read off him.

[Desperado]

If it was such a leading question, then why didn't I jump on him afterwards? Because it wasn't and I didn't intend to.

You interpret things way out of proportion, Desperado. Saying good job does not mean that Stubbs should be elated. Stop misrepresenting everything I say and warping it into something scummy. Take the tunnel vision glasses off and think simpler.

What does it mean then? Why didn't you address my accusation of pacification?

Spoiler:

Because it's true and you're scum this game

[Elyse]

What does what mean?

And how is giving a townread on someone pacifying them?