Your last post of analysis was excellent but this post is lacking a bit. In order to win these games, you need to be able to distinguish between anti-town and scum, and there are other ways to pressure a player and get them to speak (ways that are much more effective!). So, you've made a distinction on mail as town over scum. Now it's time to find a viable scum target and push; if you can't find one, you're probably not looking hard enough. If you want mail to produce content, best way to do that is by asking him questions or requesting a prod (don't abuse the latter). Bouncing reads off a town-read can be good for your reads AND can help you sort that townread from leaning town to probably town to definitely town.In post 124, Brian Skies wrote:1) I don't appreciate the self-vote (anti-town move)
2) I want to pressure him in defending himself and creating more content
But that would mean that mail is the leading member of the scumteam. Do you think that's the case?In post 129, Verbs wrote:a. there are two mafia in the game right now. assuming that mail is one of them, this means that there is a lot less pressure on his ally due to the fact that mail is so high up on peoples radar.
Same way you differentiate between a townie with a safe opinion on a bandwagon and scum with the same. Does it make sense logically, is the position opportunistic, etc.In post 129, Verbs wrote:b. how do you differentiate between a townie with a safe opinion on the gambit and scum with the same?
If he doesn't get past this, he's a day 1 lynch and his partner is pretty much screwed. Thus, if he IS mafia and pulling a gambit like that, it's likely that he believes he is good enough to dig himself out of the hole he creates. And if he's good enough to do that, why not avoid digging a hole like that in the first place?In post 129, Verbs wrote:c. surviving such a controversial opening has the direct impact of painting mail's future actions in a different light. in life we have opinions on people by taking into account all the information that we know about them and this can influence us, even inadvertently. if mail gets past this with little suspicion, it can make slips that are not as big/obvious seem smaller/less significant in the later game.
Me too.
In post 132, Shiidaji wrote:From what?
I liked Titus's general response to M-M. She avoiding taking the easy route and capitalizing on the surface scummy behavior, which I really do dig. She was also willing to give advice to a newbie on how to play scum which is more likely to be coming from town than scum, believe it or not. There's no real motivation to tell your scumpartner something like that when you could just tell them pre-game, meaning that I can't see a reason for Titus to want to clarify something like that except for the reason she gave. I also really dug the reach out to Brian (we're both logical players meaning if you're town i'll see it eventually) because it has nice trajectory with her thoughts on Brian thus far and is also one of those moves that townies do more than scumbags.In post 28, Titus wrote:This is a newbie game to help people understand the mechanics. It would feel greatly wrong to take advantage of a newbie's deficiencies in a newbie game when that happened to myself and I felt it was a little unfair. So yeah, I have no hard feelings but it doesn't mean I need to recreate the cycle.In post 27, JKMatthews wrote:Titus, yeah that really was your undoing in that game. So... if you're town you'd think it was possible m-m was scum... so why give this friendly bit of advice to help scum not slip?In post 17, Titus wrote:Also, if you have any assumptions regarding jailors and roleblockers, mention them now. When I came here, assuming the wrong things greatly derailed my first scum game as jkmatthews can attest.
Is it weird that the logic is quantified to shit? Yes.In post 133, Shiidaji wrote:Reading through this again, I dislike how quantified the logic is here. Did you think through these and say to yourself 'Okay, this and this makes it town, but this, this and this makes it scummy, they are all equally valued in terms of scummyness/townyness.'?
Is it scummy? That's the question I ask myself as I watch the sunset at night.
I don't ship broken things to my grandma.In post 135, notscience wrote:Verbs/Titus scumteam, wrap it up and ship it to grandma.
Thanks for being useful!In post 149, SXTLHGaiden wrote:I'll this just in case. Don't just vote verbs. Please declare intent and allow him to make a case. Early mislynches will only serve to hurt us in the long run.
I can't.In post 158, JKMatthews wrote:Just because I haven't made a post that consolidates all my thoughts, I'd be surprised if you couldn't figure out where I stood with most people.
?In post 178, notscience wrote:Even if he IS scum we have NOTHING to go off of yet, and the day just started.
!In post 178, notscience wrote:I'm willing to wager his buddy already is bussing him, but I can't tell who it is thus far because of how fast everyone jumps down his throat.
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