Mini 1486: Fruit Basket Mafia (Game Over)

[Buffy vs Dracula]

@ASP, You can't see any potential town motivation for not outing ones reads?

why elyse hes pretty towny

Just a gut feeling.
What makes you so sure she's town?

sticking to their guns even though its causing a wagon on them, basically the opposite of uberkang

*moves akwardly in chair*
Actually I think she was trying to borrow other guns, mine and Buffy's too, asking for support to justify her stance. How does this tie into your read on her? Can you elaborate?

Also, Drac's sort of busy atm. But I can cover for him. I'll even make the little vampire smileys for him!! >:E

Those are mine!
Bad Buffy, bad! >:,E

oops i guess slandaar was right

VOTE: a simple plan

Do you read slandaar as town? Last time you mentioned him you said he was inconsistent with his meta.

Sorry for my lack of activity, getting caught up

Gurl.

[Buffy vs Dracula]

^ -- Dracula >:E

[Desperado]

What does what mean?

And how is giving a townread on someone pacifying them?

What did "good job" mean?

And it's pacification because he had just explained why he thought you were scum. Rather than address his concern you told him you townread him (so shut up and stop talking about why you think I'm scum)

[Elyse]

Good job means "Good job you passed the test."

I've addressed that concern from other people already and I didn't want to keep saying the same thing over and over again so I let it be and instead of defending myself, I tried to articulate a read on him.

[Alexcellent]

Sorry for the delay there, kind of nodded off before I finished my read through (started reading at 1 in the morning for some reason).

VOTE: A Simple Plan

At first glance I saw him as eager townie or newbtown. But I really don't like a lot of his posts.

As of right now, my eyes are focusing on Kid A. His 56 is interrogating on a seemingly random vote when he did the same thing on 52. Why Uberkang, then?

I don't think what I've seen from Kid A is enough for a vote, but I want to hear from him about his vote. But if what you're saying about neither vote being random is true, does that mean Stubbs is onto something with his vote on you then?

As far as the votes on me go, I don't think a whole ton of them at this point. I don't hear any reasoning for their votes, so my gut reaction is that Slandaar's vote was a RVS/reaction test vote, and that UK's was somewhat of a bandwagon to make the reaction test more solid.

On another note, my vote is staying on medic; the more I think about it, I don't like the "was out of town" excuse in a post that said nothing but that. It feels like a prod-dodge post from a lurker, and his lack of attempt at scum hunting/getting involved makes me think he could be scum.

I'm not liking this. ASP pointed out things he disliked with Kid A's post, then Elyse questions why he didn't vote, then he comes out with this post essentially deciding that his vote is better spent on a lurker, this was only on page 3. Maybe a newbtell but worth pointing out.

Hmmm I see I have a vote against me by ASimplePlan not sure what I've done so this seems scummy to me.

VOTE: ASimplePlan

Pdmedic comes out with a blatant OMGUS vote that seems to fly under the radar...

Seeing pdmedic's activity starting to pick up a bit and seeing that he's trying, I'm going to go ahead and...
UNVOTE: pdmedic.

Now, as far as my current reads go, I'm getting a town read from BvD, Stubbs, and pdmedic, with weak town reads on Gee Gee and Formerfish. Desperado is also a weak town read.

Kid A is probably my top scum read right now, followed by Slandaar. Retreading things, I don't get a good feeling from Kid A's #30, even though I'm fairly certain it was a joke, and I feel like his play is just... Off, I guess, for lack of a better word. His 121 and 123 seem to just be repetitive to pry at pdmedic to get him active, and im unsure what to make of it beyond nagging for answers. I also notice BvD mentioning him ignoring a question from BvD. I still think being able to discuss people's reads and having a chance to get another perspective on a person's behavior would be beneficial to the town, and refusing to share reads isn't being productive, hence my suspicions about Slandaar.

Elyse is also giving off scum vibes, but I'm unsure there; UberKang is giving off mixed vibes, but if I had to guess, I'd say town. Mnemonic Device is reading very unproductive and suspicious as well. From what I've seen of Alexcellent gives off weak scum, but he needs to get active too.

VOTE: Kid A

And ASP not only unvotes him, but also has a town read on him now. His voting and reasons just appear as scummy to me.

[Buffy vs Dracula]

Alex, your catch-up post seems sort of... Simple Plan-centric. Like, look, if I had to make a mixtape, it wouldn't look like

1. How Could This Happen to Me
2. How Could This Happen to Me
3. How Could This Happen to Me
4. How Could This Happen to Me
5. How Could This Happen to Me

I mean, how much whiny shit can one girl listen to before wanting to stake someone?

Personally, I'm in the mood for some Radiohead right now.

VOTE: Kid A

--Buffy

[Elyse]

Care to explain your vote?

[A Simple Plan]

@ASP, You can't see any potential town motivation for not outing ones reads?

Hiding one's reads doesn't provide anything for the town to go on, and it just feels too secretive for my liking. I suppose one could do so as town to to try to protect his or her interests later in the game and protect himself from being framed for a NK through his scum-reads being targeted. I still feel like it's more anti-town because it gives us less to work with, but now that I think about it more, it gives a more null read on Slandaar than straight scum.

Elyse is only making my scum read on her a bit stronger and gives me less doubt, and her 153 feels odd, especially in response to Desperado's 152. I feel like my vote on Kid A is pretty good, and the OMGUS reaction to my vote in 133 makes me feel that much better about it.

[Alexcellent]

Alex, your catch-up post seems sort of... Simple Plan-centric. Like, look, if I had to make a mixtape, it wouldn't look like

1. How Could This Happen to Me
2. How Could This Happen to Me
3. How Could This Happen to Me
4. How Could This Happen to Me
5. How Could This Happen to Me

I mean, how much whiny shit can one girl listen to before wanting to stake someone?

Personally, I'm in the mood for some Radiohead right now.

VOTE: Kid A

--Buffy

I know, I mean, I'm really more of a Smashing Pumpkins man myself.
But to be honest there's not tons of content jumping out at me from the last 7 pages or so (says the person who has contributed the least amount). Do you have an actual reason for the Kid A vote though?

[Alexcellent]

@ASP, You can't see any potential town motivation for not outing ones reads?

Hiding one's reads doesn't provide anything for the town to go on, and it just feels too secretive for my liking. I suppose one could do so as town to to try to protect his or her interests later in the game and protect himself from being framed for a NK through his scum-reads being targeted. I still feel like it's more anti-town because it gives us less to work with, but now that I think about it more, it gives a more null read on Slandaar than straight scum.

Elyse is only making my scum read on her a bit stronger and gives me less doubt, and her 153 feels odd, especially in response to Desperado's 152. I feel like my vote on Kid A is pretty good, and the OMGUS reaction to my vote in 133 makes me feel that much better about it.

If everyone were to give their reads then it can give scum a bit of a better idea of who to NK. I see him hiding his reads as being more townie than anything.

[UberKang]

Ok I'm sorry but how the fuck is "I have a townread on you" dodgy?

Desperado's answered this far better than I how would have expressed it myself. Good job

I might have missed it and haven't seen an official votecount for a while, but I think you're still voting for Formerfish, Elyse. Does this still stand? What are your feelings towards Kid A and Simple Plan?

@Alexcellent, don't you find anything worth commenting on with Elyse's game so far? Surely she's caused enough ripples so far to find something noteworthy, on her or those she has interacted with.

@Buffy, seconding the call for a bit of an explanation on your vote for Kid A.

@Kid A, what's your stance on Elyse currently? And could you explain why Slandaar is right and why you're voting ASP?

@Desperado, you're pretty much focused on Elyse presently and I think understandably. But I would like to hear your thoughts on others too.

That's about all for now.

[Slandaar]

That is a good post. Good Job Kang!

[Kid A]

i cant be fucked to find the quote but whoever questioned my vote - saying slandaar was right doesnt mean i townread him, it just means i agree with his vote

elyse is still town for not jumping off the formerfish wagon as soon as it started to be questioned and staying consistent since then

asp is scum because their case boils down to "if you only read kid a's post #30 and ignore everything else that doesnt fit with my case then hes obvscum"

[Elyse]

@Kang
Yes my vote on Formerfish still stands.

I have a townread on Kid A and ASP is leaning town too.

[Buffy vs Dracula]

elyse is still town for not jumping off the formerfish wagon as soon as it started to be questioned and staying consistent since then

And you're scum for egging on Formerfish's wagon, then taking your vote off him when the wagon started getting flak, then insisting that you were just exaggerating your read for reaction purposes.

Also, Drac thinks your reasons for supporting Elyse are abysmal.

--Buff Buff

[Kid A]

am i interpreting your post wrong or are you saying that my vote on formerfish was informed & meant to be a vote on scum

[Slandaar]

OK Time to post some actual content.

ANNOUNCEMENT

There are NO jesters in this game, so we can lynch ANYONE we want without the threat of one showing up.

You're welcome!

I mean this required a bit more effort the presentation just isn't good, but its a good reaction.

Alright, lets get this thing started.

VOTE: pdmedic

Ignores my reaction test + Wagon.

Bad Intro.

Because you're scum

You must be really good at this game if you could accurately deduce my alignment from my confirmation post. Or you're wrong. One seems more likely than the other.

Are you guys alright with someone going on lva but throwing down a vote first?

Not mutually exclusive do not need to be a scumhunting god to randomly pick out a scum.

Don't like the question the way its worded is scummy deflecting with a question 'hey look over there!'

What's your case against me again? I looked back in the thread and can't seem to find one. So either come at me with some real accusations or continue to push what will become a mislynch.

Reads badly; Come at me with a case OR just push a mislynch. Implying with a case things are different.

I'm liking my vote right now actually.

Good Post.

At this Point Kid A and Elyse are pretty obviously town. Pushing a wagon in RVS is fine.

Also: Simple Plan, any reason you've just totally ignored the Formerfish wagon of glory?

Good Question

Also: Simple Plan, any reason you've just totally ignored the Formerfish wagon of glory?

I don't like the idea of wagon-ing someone to... What, L2 would it have been on page one of a thread. There wasnt enough time to get a solid read on anyone, at least for me, and seeing the wagon developing that fast, I'm going to be watching those four closely... Now, watching him react a bit more to the wagon, I think it looks rather suspicious. Not worthy of jumping on the wagon this quickly, but with a wagon filling so quick, I don't want to lynch immediately without getting a read on people first; these day one discussions are where my reads start to form, and a rapid wagon like that looks... Very intriguing.

Also making note for future reference that it has been six hours without a response from pdmedic after I voted him, and he never posted to confirm receiving a role either.

WAFFLE WAFFLE WAFFLE

I have no clue what this post is saying except with a wafflewaffle here and a wafflewaffle there here a waffle there a waffle everywhere a wafflewaffle.

The wagon looks intriguing? people on it suspicious? the person in question suspicious? pdmedic is suspicious its just load of nonsense he sees the benefits of such a wagon but also thinks the people involved are suspicious it is terrible posting.

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The most over explained VLA I have ever seen. Its so cautious.

VOTE: Simple Plan

TOWN

Best post of the game so far. Well Except his first post that was amazing too...

I can.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: A Simple Plan

Good Post.

As far as the votes on me go, I don't think a whole ton of them at this point. I don't hear any reasoning for their votes, so my gut reaction is that Slandaar's vote was a RVS/reaction test vote, and that UK's was somewhat of a bandwagon to make the reaction test more solid.

Something wrong with this post. Why is Simple plan guessing why I voted instead of asking me he even doesn't include the option I am a scumbag voting him for no reason. Do not like it.

Because you're scum

You must be really good at this game if you could accurately deduce my alignment from my confirmation post. Or you're wrong. One seems more likely than the other.

Are you guys alright with someone going on lva but throwing down a vote first?

This post feels scummy.

Good Post.

I went through a little of elyse's meta earlier today and (most of her games being town) she isn't playing like she did in any of the games I reviewed.
So weak scum on elyse for now.

Apart from that everything is pretty dry.

(I'd include the games and more information about the meta read but I'm a little pressed for time right now.)

A for effort F for content.

Maybe she got better at the game which in fact makes sense her play was quite good early. Or just tried a different style etc, just bad meta use in general.

I don't like the idea of wagon-ing someone to... What, L2 would it have been on page one of a thread. There wasnt enough time to get a solid read on anyone, at least for me, and seeing the wagon developing that fast, I'm going to be watching those four closely... Now, watching him react a bit more to the wagon, I think it looks rather suspicious. Not worthy of jumping on the wagon this quickly, but with a wagon filling so quick, I don't want to lynch immediately without getting a read on people first; these day one discussions are where my reads start to form, and a rapid wagon like that looks... Very intriguing.

That's why, Kid A. It struck me as wishy-washy and worthy of a push. If he thought Formerfish was acting suspicious, then he should jump on board, not dance around it like this.

That said, I like his post #61, it gives me a different feel altogether. Happy to turn my eye elsewhere for now.
UNVOTE:

Sooo Kid A, I've shown you mine, how about you show me yours now?

Good Posting but the guy gets fooled.

I have 4 good townreads currently; Don't want to explain them right now.

Simple Plan still seems like the best vote to me.

TOWN (at this point)
Kid
Elyse
Kang
MD

MAYBE SCUM
FISH

SCUM
SIMPLE PLAN.

Simples posting is just bad across the board and he later fell into the trap of trying to accuse me of being scum for not explaining reads. Its such basic basic thinking 'the guy is being antitown MUST BE SCUM!' which as everyone knows is just not how the game works.

I have a few more reads now but those are the ones I had in 72.

[RadiantCowbells]

Votecount #5

Kid A - 3 (pdmedic, A Simple Plan, Buffy VS Dracula)
Formerfish - 2 (mnemonicdevice, Elyse)
Elyse - 3 (Desperado, StubbsKVM, UberKang)
A Simple Plan - 3 (Slandaar, Kid A, Alexcellent)

With

13

alive it's

7

to lynch.

[Desperado]

Slandaar we obviously have different views on the Fish and the reactions it drew. Why wasn't I included in your analysis at all?

[Slandaar]

Your arguments are OK I don't find them good or bad they just are. I am pretty sure they are wrong but that doesn't mean anything regarding your alignment.

[Elyse]

Yay for Slandaar!

[A Simple Plan]

Slandaar's most recent post is excellent, and I'm going to go ahead and say it's enough for me to consider him town right now. Still looking at Elyse and Kid A as scum suspects right now. Also, got a new laptop so posting might be a bit easier, but as of right now it's 12:30 and I've got my first day of classes in college tomorrow, so I'm going to bed. Will try to update with better quality soon.

[Elyse]

His most recent post is excellent? I agree but coming from you that's strange since he calls you out as scum with good reasoning.

[StubbsKVM]

Slandaar, do you think Formerfish was overreacting?

And do you think Elyse was right to push him on it(whether or not it was actually true?)

[Slandaar]

Not overreacting as such, I do think it was scummy the way he reacted though, yes. Whether he did overreact or not is purely based on opinion and so truth isn't a factor; I think the push is completely fine.