Micro 199 Nonsensical Narnia Day 4

[borkjerfkin]

Who is my much better result

[penguin_alien]

No result to claim today.

BRO, why not push for a scum read to L-1 hammer MC? You had GM/ffery/Kdub as one of them being scum yesterday. Two are dead, yet you've basically ignored the third all day. And your push on Kdub was pretty lousy too. VCA from an unflipped wagon plus criticizing his pressure style?

BRO, care to comment on the above from last day phase? Take your time; I doubt I'll be able to post again for a day. Between the quoted thoughts, bork about 99% clearing MC (ninja seems unlikely) and the subsequent implication that your role plus his means two town roles that take someone out with them...yeah, you're my top suspect.

[BROseidon]

...why the fuck would you not investigate.

And I didn't want to push it because being wrong meant an insta-lose.

[MC RIDE]

Uhh, is it me or do our investigative roles suck hard?

[MC RIDE]

so does p_a get the rope today?

[TMTOLBTWNTOF]

so does p_a get the rope today?

No. That slot is town

Who is my much better result

BRO.

[penguin_alien]

Uhh, is it me or do our investigative roles suck hard?

It's you.

so does p_a get the rope today?

Only if you can explain to me why a scum-AA9 chose to undermine a miller claim that would have been good lynch bait and why scum-me came in and organized a lynch on my partner who was under approximately zero pressure when I could have just shut up and let you go down.

:::crickets chirping:::

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Since bork has made you confirmed town, any slightly more serious thoughts to share?

...why the fuck would you not investigate.

And I didn't want to push it because being wrong meant an insta-lose.

1) Did I say I didn't investigate? And while I'm not the bestest player around, I know darn well you've played with me enough to know that I'm not a complete derp. So why the soft-suspicion?

WRT to not pushing your goodmorning read yesterday, that's weak. You weren't even questioning goodmorning. Yes, if we'd lynched someone else and been wrong, we'd have lost at 5p LyLo when two scum voted MC RIDE, made the one-to-one trade, and then gone into night at 1:2 scum:town to lose. HOWEVER, if we'd lynched MC RIDE yesterday and been wrong (as I'm assuming we would have been, since either town-tracker-bork cleared him or scum-fake-tracker-bork cleared him) we'd still be coming in here at 5p LyLo and lynching an incorrect scum read would still be insta-lose. Yes, investigative roles might have given us more definite information for today, but I'd say that's not the case. And if you had a read you'd ever thought worth pushing, why didn't you at least pursue it a bit, apply pressure to get more information? Maybe you wouldn't have pursued a wagon until today, but having those interactions with your suspect would have helped for your ultimate case, plus you'd have been able to see how other people reacted and been able to work on finding GM's partner.

You're also not addressing the issues with having two townies who can take someone down with them. Claim order went: MC claimed Hated, you claimed Vengeful, you indicated it only worked Day One, MC claimed L-1 Supersaint. In a Micro Role Madness game, with all the possibilities out there, you have zero problem with someone claiming a very similar effect to you? Instead, you say in your next post after his SS claim:

My vengekill is only good day 1. Now I'm a VT, which is pretty weak.

Also, having a hated supersaint makes a lot of sense from a design perspective.

This explains away your claimed vengekill overlapping with his SS claim, as AS was pointing out. And you deflected onto praising how much sense the role of hated supersaint made. Now that MC RIDE is confirmed and never ever ever going to be lynched, your claim looks pretty bad.

I do wish bork had tracked BRO last night, but given that MC RIDE's claim would have let him ride to victory if he was faking I can't complain overmuch.

bork, given this:

We should lynch in these 3. Please.

That is a convenient piggyback off of BRO's reads that just happen to not include you as scum especially after pretty much offering no reads yourself.

Either letters is town or Rach trolled me hard. Scum should be White Witch and Aslan, as the three I listed were White Witch, Aslan, and Caspian X (of which I got none, obviously). Given that two of those aren't listed here. This also implies that scum got safeclaims.

Yeah UPicks are designed so that you're generally not able to make these kinds of inferences.

I want letters hammering MC or we're lynching letters straight up.

what's your current read on TMT? And seeing as you cleared MC RIDE and we established yesterday that you don't think I'm scum, who do you favor lynching, BRO or TMT?

[TMTOLBTWNTOF]

Did you not see gm tunneling me from D1 up to his death? why should I be lynched?

[penguin_alien]

...Did I say you should be lynched?

[MC RIDE]

Only if you can explain to me why a scum-AA9 chose to undermine a miller claim that would have been good lynch bait and why scum-me came in and organized a lynch on my partner who was under approximately zero pressure when I could have just shut up and let you go down.

:::crickets chirping:::

Yeah, that's what I thought.

Because she's ArcAngel? She didn't even read the game at all and chose to investigate/fake clear someone at random. Who happened to claim Miller.

[MC RIDE]

Also you not investigating last night is not acceptable unless you have got no investigations left

[penguin_alien]

Also you not investigating last night is not acceptable unless you have got no investigations left

...

Dude, are you high?

[BROseidon]

I agree with MC here. Bork being forced to clear someone regardless of his alignment+an investigate from you would have basically auto-won the game. Right now we have:

Conftown: MC

Basically Conftown: PA

Not Conftown: Bork, letters, myself.

Moving one person from "not conftown" to "conftown" would have won the game (unless you are scum and AA9 fucked up royally in such a way that it worked out AND you hard-bussed your partner).

Now we actually have to make decisions.

In no way did I push suspicion on you.

Also WRT not questioning GM yesterday, I can go dig up in my posts after mass claim where I said "I am fairly sure it's gm+bork." I still think that it's gm+bork. While my pick-theory seems to have been at least 1/2 wrong, I still think that hold water.

And yeah, I don't really have a complaint about a supersaint+vengeful combination. If I had been lynched day 1 and guessed wrong, day 2 would have been MyLo, which MC could have used to bait out scum. The reason I used my PR for leverage instead of actually getting lynched was that I was afraid that that would have happened, and I didn't know that we had a hated supersaint that could fuck with scum in MyLo.

I've seen weirder shit than 2 reactionary-killing abilities.

[penguin_alien]

And also GM didn't claim, which really needs to happen. Thanks Bork for reminding me >.>

Eh, to me, scum have to be in {bork, gm, AA9} by PoE (MC's claim is dumb if scum, letters's is town because I didn't get anything I listed, AS is IC), and AA9's colossal derp regarding the whole miller claim.

How many votes do we have on MC right now? Also, MC, are you sure the supersaint is off? I don't want to lose because we fail to work around information that's out in the open (you can always self-hammer to prevent it from triggering, also).

Woah, cogency.

The last part of the first sentence is supposed to read that I think AA9 is more likely town than gm or bork.

I forgot to post that I'm V/LA in this thread and it's approaching deadline. Going to just hammer and get this shit over with; I can't guarantee that I'll be on later and the activity this game has gone to hell.

VOTE: GM

Here's all your mention of GM yesterday. Not exactly trying to delve into GM's alignment there or detail what you found scummy. Yet you were happy to hammer and abandon all hope of eliminating the problematic hated supersaint claim.

Oh, and isn't it convenient that you remembered that bork hadn't claimed yet forgot about GM? No need to hear your scum partner's claim, after all...

And BRO, you asked why I would not investigate. Either you think I'm a complete idiot or you're scum pushing for a complete claim so you can decide whether to kill me or MC tonight.

[BROseidon]

I arrived at GM by PoE. Not really sure how to push that further...

Also, quick question: If I'm scum, why would I hammer my scumbuddy instead of hoping it to go to deadline on a NL?

[penguin_alien]

Because it's plurality...and so hammering doesn't change the outcome, just how much town cred you can eke out. Do you not remember lynching Kdub based on a plurality wagon?

[BROseidon]

I forgot about that >.>

[borkjerfkin]

BRO.

I'd either have picked MC or BRO - explain how BRO is somehow more telling? I went toward MC because of the goofiness with "I miiiight be a supersaint I guess I'll just turn it off?" stuff that happened at the end of the day which muddied the hated townie claim - supersaint was the only viable way out of getting lynched as fakeclaiming hated townie.

And, of course, I couldn't risk tracking you, although I DID consider it just to verify ascetic, then realized that wouldn't tell me pretty much anything conclusively other than that.

@Penguin - huge lean on TMT, especially after this most recent conversation. BRO looks like he's trying to solve a puzzle whereas TMT is just driving by with superficial attacks on me like he's saving me for tomorrow.

The only thing giving me pause on BRO is his weaker claim comparatively to TMT - D1 Vengeful is oddly specific especially when compared to all the other relatively normal roles that have flipped. Still - Ascetic

goon

is just the type of thing I'd give scum to counterbalance having a cop and tracker in the game.

VOTE: TMT

@BRO - explain how in the christ are you PoEing me over TMT?

[BROseidon]

@BRO - explain how in the christ are you PoEing me over TMT?

The fact that the White Witch hasn't flipped anywhere and TMT claimed one of the characters I submitted.

If I seriously got none of the things I submitted because Aslan is an NPC and the White Witch just isn't in the game at all I'll be miffed >:C

[TMTOLBTWNTOF]

BRO.

I'd either have picked MC or BRO - explain how BRO is somehow more telling? I went toward MC because of the goofiness with "I miiiight be a supersaint I guess I'll just turn it off?" stuff that happened at the end of the day which muddied the hated townie claim - supersaint was the only viable way out of getting lynched as fakeclaiming hated townie.

The only thing giving me pause on BRO is his weaker claim comparatively to TMT - D1 Vengeful is oddly specific especially when compared to all the other relatively normal roles that have flipped. Still - Ascetic

goon

is just the type of thing I'd give scum to counterbalance having a cop and tracker in the game.

1. Are you kidding? That claim was so town

2. Look at the timing of my claim and explain how that would be advantageous to me if I were scum.

[TMTOLBTWNTOF]

(By number 1 I mean MC)

[MC RIDE]

You just had to clear the guy that everyone thought was town. Maybe you'll track letters tonight?

Mod, theoretically, can the last member of the mafia boh action and kill on the same night?

Yes

[BROseidon]

You just had to clear the guy that everyone thought was town. Maybe you'll track letters tonight?

Even-night tracker, remember?

In a game with multiple X-shot roles.

[RachMarie]

Posting to get the top

[RachMarie]

Not there yet