You're supposed to tell me your thoughts on it, not the other way around~.
I mean, my MAIN reason is that Wondercritter stew sounds absolutely divine.
Or maybe Roast Wondercritter.
I don't know, so many ways to eat a Wondercritter.
Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Re OT's vote, I suppose we could put their vote someplace besides where nachosyr want it, but we're not going to. If we wind up disagreeing with them, we'll leave/put the 2nd vote where they say.
Haven't asked Cabd if he agrees. He's not around atm. But, I don't think he'd disagree.
Our neighborhood with OT ends at the end of this game day. I'm pretty sure that was in the Syr-text that Cabd posted earlier.
You're supposed to tell me your thoughts on it, not the other way around~.
I mean, my MAIN reason is that Wondercritter stew sounds absolutely divine.
Or maybe Roast Wondercritter.
I don't know, so many ways to eat a Wondercritter.
Do you think Saki is town and jabberwock is pushing a mislynch?
I'll come back to this later tonight or tomorrow. Lateral thought and migraine meds don't seem to be able to occupy the same brain.
Yes, but this isn't an alignment indicative thing, to be honest.
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Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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couldn't be bothered to check why scum-morph the cat would out the Oil Tycoons info? That makes little to no sense considering that I was the one who just called them scum and had plenty of reason as to why scum-morph the cat would have outed Oil Tycoons.
Again, even if that was your intended meaning of which I misinterpreted since you decided against using pronouns which would have led to less confusion, it doesn't address the main issue which was you claiming to have already answered my question that clearly you did not.
Oil Tycoons - basically conftown due to claim of eminent demise, bolstered by Nacho read. Syr usually pressures ffery more early on, though.
Leaning Town
Purpkin - borktown as far as ffery is concerned. Cabd concurs re Mara. We cross-agree on them. Also neighborhood.
DTMaster - dayvig gambit (due to target mostly) was a good start in the town direction. Saki push looked town-motivated as did the back-off when OT claimed.
DDD (rep nats) - was leaning town anyway, but the confirmation of "don't know how it works" roles from OT bumps it up considerably. Also play since replacing in has looked pretty town-motivated.
Jaberwocky - leaning town with a few reservations over interactions with us and Nacho. (Cabd reservations mostly gone now due to Red Wedding Meta, ffery is doing that thing about liking people who are suspicious of her). Feel like they are holding back on reads, though.
Null
Andrius - Derphammer. Under observation. Maybe not giving his scum game enough credit. Leans town after the metadives by Jabbers and ffery.
LLD - Cabd is bothered a little, not sure why. ffery is mostly convinced by Empire meta report. Meta dive still pending. Rather checked out today which is odd. School's out so expecting more.
Saki - Not playing as much the risk-taker as ffery's town-Saki model would predict. Recent posts have moved him up a little.
Daemon385 - pingy posts, but up to null due to metadives and the occasional very genuine note in his posts.
Scum
Sakura Hana - level of involvement now that she's checked in is problematic, LACK OF READS. Fatalistic stuff is alignment neutral in ffery's experience.
Prohawk - ffery thinks he's trying divide and conquer on our slot and that he's targeting her as the relatively weaker partner of the hydra right now.
Cabd thinks this is scumhawk because of the level of tunneling and the refusal to look elsewhere.
There were a total of two posts that expressed that I was scum, and the reasons are:
Hawk is trying to divide and conquer? targeting ffery specifically as a weaker partner.
Hawk has a scum-level of tunneling and refuses to look elsewhere.
I have addressed the first point, which is bogus.
The second point was also addressed by me, which is also bogus and hasn't been refuted.
Spoiler: Purpkin's posts Re: Hawk Vote
In post 781, Purpkin wrote:I think we can get a quorum for Prohawk. VOTE: prohawk
this is
partially summarized in #703
but I am also
trusting our neighbors here, who I steadfastly think are town.
In post 682, ProHawk wrote:Why should we table discussion? I find Sakura the scummier of the two, but not necessarily the one I would like to lynch today.
I've been trying to get ahold of Mara for the better part of a day now, but everyone else in the QT is ok with it, and we're kinda stalled, so:
We are neighbors with MTC.
Have been since about the beginning of the game when they initiated it. Our interaction in the QT is making me think they are town.
You
seem really determined to read them as scum
though,
no matter what they do
(like your 664 -- what is scummy about their saying "I will meta this dude when I have time?"
Furthermore, your initial hop on them in #342 is contingent on "using another player to strengthen a lynching position and posture". That actually seems like something town would do to me -- use someone that has prior experience with a slot as an authoritative source for a better read -- especially when they have a town read on the slot doing that. Why is that scummy to you in the first place?
You just seem really locked into this tunnel and I can't figure out why that is.
"Potential Tip Partners" = 'in the event of a TIP scumflip, here is where you should look.' I don't get the problem.
In post 809, ProHawk wrote:664 isn't scummy. Its when I directly ask them a question, and its gets "skipped" that is scummy. Like trying to scramble for answers scummy.
Speaking of this,
I asked you a question earlier and you never answered it
RE: Saki, Without giving me Meta, can someone tell me why he's scum?
I don't feel like reading anything atm
as for my town-read on him, it's mostly due to his interaction with Nacho, and why he was scum reading DTM. I can't really see scum OMGUS'ing on a "fake guilty" the way he did. He has really strong convictions when it comes to his reads no matter how irrational it may be.
In post 958, Saki wrote:I asked something similar to "did you kill off the two people I knew"
No answer, just "LOOK AT SAKI" AtE
This wasn't even phrased as a question...what were you expecting them to say?
Saki wrote:Because on closer inspection you would notice that I pretty much pushed both wagons.
I contradicted myself.
Why would Jabberwock fail to see this?
Again, what were you expecting them to say? You didn't indicate you were expecting a response at all. This is why most reaction tests are dumb - you don't have the pass/fail conditions set realistically.
I wanted to call you scum for this when I first read your explanation of critter scum but now I think you really just didn't think this through well.
----
otherwise I'm nowheresville with reads and I'm forced to reread at this point because I'm second guessing everything and
can't responsibly do anything except sheep OT right now.
Purpkin has posted more about their voting, which comes down to:
They are Trusting MorphTheCat
Hawk is determined to scum read MorphTheCat no matter what they do.
Hawk was asked a question by Purpkin that was not addressed.
Is sheeping Oil Tycoons
First and last reasons fail to take into account that town-players have wrong reads. The second point I addressed here, with no response. Third point I addressed here and am still due an explanation or apology.
I get a town vibe from Purpkin, which disappoints me from their lack of interest/investment into this game. I feel like scumPurpkin would put more effort into their reasons for calling me scum (something I have experienced with Bork). Please work on some solid reads with solid reasoning.
In post 737, Jabberwock wrote:That fatalism/deathwish/frustration at having no scumreads is Town Town Town.
Null null null, sorry.
In post 737, Jabberwock wrote:n this game? He's just flailing around being 'useless' and getting cozy with Sakura's bland description of his meta, because he thinks he can. Saki is not stupid and can pull his weight as Town, but he's choosing not to do so here and instead play the herp a derp omg to scummy to be scum card. He's scum, don't be fooled by the act.
He can be useless as scum and useful as town. Imagine that.
In post 737, Jabberwock wrote:He is one of the players here who benefit heavily from NKing Nacho before Nacho even gets to post,
Everyone benefits heavily from that. He's town and he didn't kill me.
In post 744, Daemon385 wrote:Which personally has me writing them of at the moment. One of them could be scum, but I feel like they are just blatantly being uselessly bad.
This doesn't explain why you're currently writing them off.
In post 752, Jabberwock wrote:2) Why did he pick us when he could pick Nacho, who he is much more used to dealing with?
Last time Andy was recruiting masonizer and didn't recruit me until N3.
In post 762, Sakura Hana wrote:It's weird for me because I can also do that. Except my ability fails if i target a male character, this is getting too weird, is it normal of Vi to give the exact same ability to 2 people?
How did you miss Purpkin's neighborizer claim as well?
In post 766, Jabberwock wrote:Okay seriously Sakura is like Townier than Nachyana, that post was ridiculously Town. Never ever ever lynch that slot. But--my brain.
Tierce you really really need to touch bases with us because your reads are not aligning well with ours at the moment.
Andrius's neighborhood with you explains his earlier paranoia on you and he's 100% town.
In post 801, ProHawk wrote:Just pointing out the obvious little snake-head dude so that maybe when I am dead someone will come back to this post and see your failed logic. Whether its indicative of your alignment yet is still out for jury, but it is admissible evidence to me. Should also note I hadn't completely caught up and missed your reasoning for Andy not being investigative.
Is there a reason you're ignoring us?
In post 850, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:DDD is up in the air for me, but I think Nat was town and I get a good vibe from him.
So uh, yeah.
Is prohawk on your list? Because your list would be great if you dropped out the paranoia 3 and put prohawk on your list.
In post 861, Sakura Hana wrote:I'm starting to smell a chainsaw here... and by that i mean my town read on LLD is dropping...
Are you
kidding
me.
In post 880, Jabberwock wrote:When morph the cat and Andrius's Neighborizer abilities were revealed, she claimed Neighborizer as well without prompting and with specific details. Scum don't do this kind of thing.
Saki claiming that he was playing anti-town because of her "you get powers later in the game" clause is a fakeclaim far beyond his skill level and the matching up with LLD's power SCREAMS town. Yes, there will be scum versions of that power, but the scum version is not Saki and is not LLD. Sakura claiming neighborizer after Andrius claimed was scummy as fuck because instead of truly counterclaiming, Sakura posted THIS:
In post 760, Sakura Hana wrote:and we got a town neighborizer?.... what in the fricken hell?!
This is not how town reacts. This is how scum reacts if they see a role that counterclaims their confirmable one.
In post 950, morph the cat wrote:Prohawk, Lynching you today is not Nacho's only goal today, just merely the most fun one for him. The words "a fiery death" and "I want him to be horrified to draw bullshit scum ever agfain" factored quite heavily into the conversation. Futhermore, he points out your
sakura hana vote was oppertunistic as fuck.
Oil's reasons boil down to:
Too much tunneling to the exclusion of all else, particularly when that slot (MTC) is obv town to other townsfolk
Hawk's timing of calling OilTycoons scum was too convenient considering they were protected.
Hawk is seemingly ignoring OilTycoons.
Hawk's Sakura Hana vote is opportunistic
Now this list actually scratches the surface at actual reasons of why someone would be scum, despite the erroneous accusations. Most of these I have addressed here. Regarding the opportunistic vote, I am not really seeing it aside from taking the opportunity to get a lynch since my primary read wasn't going anywhere. Other hops onto the wagon were waaay more suspect, particularly the following string of progression:
110 posts later, and only four posts from Morph in between we go from - Never ever
ever
lynch that [Sakura] slot. To "Oh the Blood Pact!" lemme vote now.
Again I pose the question: Tell me again how my vote was more opportunistic than say MorphTheCat's?
I am too tired to drudge up Jabberwocks posts on me, and he isn't voting me yet anyhow which I do find to be strange given the heated words he sends my way Re: Today's lynch. Perhaps he could do me the favor of organizing it for me.
110 posts, during which LLD tore apart Jabberwock's case for Sakura-town.
In games where Nacho and I both play, much of my day 1 (and sometimes beyond) is devoted to figuring out whether I trust that he's town, and outward from there I get reads from how others react to him. That process was totally short-circuited in this game, first by day 1 endeing before he even posted, and then by his alignment being all but certain during day 2. I might have come around to a Sakura vote purely on the basis of LLD's argument. Nacho calling us out to vote her made it a no-brainer.
The blood oath thing struck me as a rallying cry harking back to some long ago town that maybe didn't rally when it counted. I'm still curious what that was about. I have some leftover debts to ancient offsite towns that sometimes influence my decisions.
LLD's case on Sakura was wrong. Jabberwock's was right. Data was acquired.
Building parts of my games around figuring out Nacho is probably going to bite me in the butt one of these days. So far it's worked out pretty well. He's not the only player that I treat as a sort of stake in the ground when they are in the game.
I'm still pretty migrainy. Will see if I can figure out what LLD's jabberwock recipe stuff is about later today.
Empire's sick and I am packing. Will get to things when possible/when I can be bothered.
In post 1009, ProHawk wrote:I am too tired to drudge up Jabberwocks posts on me, and he isn't voting me yet anyhow which I do find to be strange given the heated words he sends my way Re: Today's lynch. Perhaps he could do me the favor of organizing it for me.
It's pretty obvious that we aren't voting you because you are at L-2
and Andrius isn't voting
and we're not yet ready to end the Day. Both here and on the "omg they didn't use a pronoun" you're putting an onus on us that is absolutely unnecessary when there are obvious Town reasons for us not to vote you right now and you're showing selective pickiness about
who
says what and how. Did our phrasing confuse you? If you're Town, clarify it and move on instead of using it to mudsling.
Oil Tycoons &co.: My other head is apparently in a (snot) coma and oh god is that a disturbing mental image in a Wondercritter. Would like your updated views on ProHawk.
In post 1010, morph the cat wrote:LLD's case on Sakura was wrong. Jabberwock's was right. Data was acquired.
What part of the case was wrong, which part of Jabber's case was right?
The part where Sakura flipped town.
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Jabber, the lack of pronoun wasn't meant to be a mud-sling and does not affect my read in you either way, except to say that I thought you were saying that you were saying something about yourself and not about myself which just results in confusion when analyzing posts. Use pronouns to be less ambiguous.
In post 1011, Jabberwock wrote:Empire's sick and I am packing. Will get to things when possible/when I can be bothered.
In post 1009, ProHawk wrote:I am too tired to drudge up Jabberwocks posts on me, and he isn't voting me yet anyhow which I do find to be strange given the heated words he sends my way Re: Today's lynch. Perhaps he could do me the favor of organizing it for me.
It's pretty obvious that we aren't voting you because you are at L-2
and Andrius isn't voting
and we're not yet ready to end the Day. Both here and on the "omg they didn't use a pronoun" you're putting an onus on us that is absolutely unnecessary when there are obvious Town reasons for us not to vote you right now and you're showing selective pickiness about
who
says what and how. Did our phrasing confuse you? If you're Town, clarify it and move on instead of using it to mudsling.
Oil Tycoons &co.: My other head is apparently in a (snot) coma and oh god is that a disturbing mental image in a Wondercritter. Would like your updated views on ProHawk.
Syr: still reads Prohawk as scum. reason - deathtunneling morph.
In post 1009, ProHawk wrote:I get a town vibe from Purpkin, which disappoints me from their lack of interest/investment into this game. I feel like scumPurpkin would put more effort into their reasons for calling me scum (something I have experienced with Bork). Please work on some solid reads with solid reasoning.
You're going to have to AtE me a whole lot harder if you want to get me disarmed to the point where, I become unsure of my read on you
also, don't forget that alot of our scum-read on you is now PoE~~
I apologize for not really being here, and having bork do most of the posting. a little bit of late day apathy is making an early presence
I've gone back and read your and Jabberwock's ISOs and it looks to me like your biggest disagreements have been about Sakura Hana and Saki. I'm not seeing anything inherently scummy in the disagreements from either side.
In post 1009, ProHawk wrote:
also, don't forget that alot of our scum-read on you is now PoE~~
If this isn't clear enough for you...
Jabberwock is clearly, clearly town. all their posts today, and yesterday, and even D1 have alot of pro-town attitude in them. I was unsure earlier, but today has been their best day I think and the fact that they are keeping the day open as long as possible so that we can speak to OT as much as possible reminds me of Tierce's and Vi's attitude in Paradox, specifically the part where we all got thrown back to D1.
Morph The Cat is town. Prior to today, it's kinda hard to explain other than the fact that both clearly are coming from a pro-town mindset via, our neighborhood. Though, if they were scum, they would just keep Oil talking to them on the down-low I would think. The fact that you have us as town, yet won't trust our read on him when WE HAVE A QT WITH THEM, THUS HAVE A CLOSER LOOK INTO THEIR MINDS THAN MOST OF YOU is strange
and then, it goes down to
LLD, Andrius, Daemon, Saki, DTM and you.
three scum are found in that group
I have serious, serious doubt that Daemon and Saki are on a team together because of their play D2 and I have Doubts that Daemon is scum, though I also have doubts that LLD is scum so the team would be
LLD, you're wasting everyone's time. Scum won't bite at this point (I mean, ProHawk did, but we already knew ProHawk was scum). ffery is already a messy pile of mess as it is and she seems to been having some issues focusing. Empire looks at this thread and walks out in a fit of rage over idiotic scum and Town play. We really don't have the luxury of having people ponder on our obvious Town slot, not with the counter nearly at 50.
So--I want final thoughts from Oil Tycoons, because unless Empire says otherwise I'm ready to get this Day on the road.
ProHawk (3) ~ morph the cat, morph the cat, Purpkin
