Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Nachomamma8]

i don't like how his one liner and lurkish posts kind of mirror his scumgame from Xenoblade, and I definitely don't like how he loses most of his motivation to stay active and contribute after the pressure on him disappears.

ffery does this mirror your opinion of his scumplay?

[Saki]

You bore me so much saki

how do i entertain you

[Sound of Silence]

i don't like how his one liner and lurkish posts kind of mirror his scumgame from Xenoblade, and I definitely don't like how he loses most of his motivation to stay active and contribute after the pressure on him disappears.

ffery does this mirror your opinion of his scumplay?

Activity-wise, yes. But his reads in this game are flexible and his stances are more fluid. I think his activity is like this across the site right now.

[Trust Fund]

Meh.

[Desperado]

Based on the 13 lynch pools provided, Rach and Andrius are still the only realistic lynches today.

Ghostlin: You have Rach and Andrius both as scum but haven't touched their wagons. Why not?

Mastin: Same question.

B&tB and SoS: Bro probably isn't happening today and you guys aren't doing much to change that. Mollie, you already said Rach is moving towards null--can that be talked into a vote? Fferry, are you still townreading Rach?

Saki and Mutley: Shut up and focus. Then vote Rach.

Venmar, NS, Mac: wtf are you guys doing? Put your vote somewhere useful. Like on Rach.

[Sound of Silence]

B&tB and SoS: Bro probably isn't happening today and you guys aren't doing much to change that. Mollie, you already said Rach is moving towards null--can that be talked into a vote? Fferry, are you still townreading Rach?

Nothing has changed for us since GiF posted this yesterday. On my own, I would probably be null-reading Rach. GiF has a townread and it makes sense to me. Her meta prior to knee injury isn't really applicable right now.

Willing to lynch mala/bro, but will reluctantly vote Andrius if that's how to consensus goes.

Also fery is down for lynching useless people (You know who )

[Ghostly Penguin]

Based on the 13 lynch pools provided, Rach and Andrius are still the only realistic lynches today.

Ghostlin: You have Rach and Andrius both as scum but haven't touched their wagons. Why not?

Mastin: Same question.

B&tB and SoS: Bro probably isn't happening today and you guys aren't doing much to change that. Mollie, you already said Rach is moving towards null--can that be talked into a vote? Fferry, are you still townreading Rach?

Saki and Mutley: Shut up and focus. Then vote Rach.

Venmar, NS, Mac: wtf are you guys doing? Put your vote somewhere useful. Like on Rach.

Mutley's slot is more scummy. There are three days left to lynch. I will be voting Rach closer to day's end, but I don't see the point in rushing lynch day 1.

[Ghostlin]

Based on the 13 lynch pools provided, Rach and Andrius are still the only realistic lynches today.

Ghostlin: You have Rach and Andrius both as scum but haven't touched their wagons. Why not?

Mastin: Same question.

B&tB and SoS: Bro probably isn't happening today and you guys aren't doing much to change that. Mollie, you already said Rach is moving towards null--can that be talked into a vote? Fferry, are you still townreading Rach?

Saki and Mutley: Shut up and focus. Then vote Rach.

Venmar, NS, Mac: wtf are you guys doing? Put your vote somewhere useful. Like on Rach.

Mutley's slot is more scummy. There are three days left to lynch. I will be voting Rach closer to day's end, but I don't see the point in rushing lynch day 1.

[Desperado]

1738has my scumlist. That list hasn't changed much except for the following alterations:

Andy, since posting as drunk Andy, is sliding more towards Town at this point toward null/scum.

Saki, who took over the Thezmon slot, has slid that slot toward null--I don't like the crap posting; and it's erasing the gut read I had there.

Nacho is sliding towards a soft town read at this point.

It's worth noting that no one's producing anything with any interest to make these change that much.

Mutley's slot is more scummy. There are three days left to lynch. I will be voting Rach closer to day's end, but I don't see the point in rushing lynch day 1.

[Ghostlin]

Closing options and ending the day doesn't produce more content. If we're going to durr day 2 like the end of this day, then I'd rather keep my vote where it is and see where consensus is.

@saki: do you really only have Mutley as your only scum read?

[Desperado]

Closing options and ending the day doesn't produce more content. If we're going to durr day 2 like the end of this day, then I'd rather keep my vote where it is and see where consensus is.

@saki: do you really only have Mutley as your only scum read?

I already told you where the consensus is--Rach and Andrius. Who you both have as scum (and have had as scum for quite some time) but haven't voted while simultaneously not pushing a third option. I haven't seen any effort from you to push through a mutley lynch so what are you waiting for?

[Venmar]

I'll probably last minute vote Andrius, but you guys are missing out on a sweet deal on this TD wagon.

[mastin2]

It did, but boring things that I could have figured out normally. I'll have more explain-y posts when I have more time, but the only REALLY interesting things were mastin and Venmar, mastin in a town way and venmar in a not so town way. But mastin's town for other reasons and I can't get a handle on Venmar for the life of me, so.

Eh, I'm reasonably certain that Venmar is town. His reach-out to me was really telling, and it's had the effect of reversing my scumread into a decent townread.

And, Nacho, you're going to have to show me some more of my Nacho before I actually believe that you were drawing negative attention intentionally.

You have Rach and Andrius both as scum but haven't touched their wagons. Why not?

Addressed sorta in my Venmar spoiler. Because I'm stubborn when it comes to wagons I push, and because I have a general aversion to hopping onto a wagon.

[zMuffinMan]

Closing options and ending the day doesn't produce more content. If we're going to durr day 2 like the end of this day, then I'd rather keep my vote where it is and see where consensus is.

The problem is that all the major lynch candidates are providing literally zero content. So the game is currently stalling and waiting for Andrius, RM, BRO, Muttley et al to fucking do something.

*shrug*

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Ok lets work out the facts here;
1) At least half if not more of the playerlist has shown support for putting nick in a scumlist.
2) A wagon has been unable to form on nick despite this.
3) Deadline is in a little over 3 days as of this post.

Based on the above facts, I presume Nick is scum and all these little mini-wagons that have been sprouting up are to keep us from consolidating on nick.

So lets consolidate on nick.
VOTE: nickthename

[zMuffinMan]

Actually a wagon on nick never developed because some of the more vocal players have either called nick town (like myself) or simply don't have anything other than a null read on him. Also, no one has actually presented half-decent reasons to think nick is scum. Mastin's non-existent case on nick is that his posts are scummy and that's that. And I don't recall anyone else really giving any reasons.

(2) is flawed for a number of reasons. I could just as easily say RM is scum because if she was such an easy mislynch like everyone is saying she is, then it shouldn't be so damn hard to get her lynched. Based on this, I presume RM is scum and all these little mini-wagons that have been sprouting up are to keep us from consolidating on RM.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Also, no one has actually presented half-decent reasons to think nick is scum.

Avoiding answering questions, having poor votes, not showing any town motivation in his posting...

I mean, really, why are you reading him as town?

(2) is flawed for a number of reasons. I could just as easily say RM is scum because if she was such an easy mislynch like everyone is saying she is, then it shouldn't be so damn hard to get her lynched. Based on this, I presume RM is scum and all these little mini-wagons that have been sprouting up are to keep us from consolidating on RM.

Poor analogy.
I'm saying Nick hasn't had a wagon

despite

a large portion of the playerlist placing him in the scum reads.
You're saying Rach hasn't had a wagon

despite

a large portion of the playerlist saying she's an easy mislynch.

Do you see the problem with your position? No one is calling Rach scum; instead, they're saying she's a scum

target

. No one wants to lynch scum targets but

scum

.

Try again.

[notscience]

I like that idea.

[zMuffinMan]

Avoiding answering questions, having poor votes, not showing any town motivation in his posting...

I mean, really, why are you reading him as town?

Your definition of "town motivation" must be different to mine. I think the justification for the "poor" votes looked townish. I also think some of the questioning he's done has looked town (like the way in which he questioned me about my town reads on his scum reads, for example, didn't feel scum-motivated, and felt more like town trying to figure out why someone is reading the game differently to him). I'm not aware of which questions you're saying he avoided answering.

If you want my full thoughts on nick, I've gone over them several times in responses to mastin, FTL, etc.

Ironically, though, those reasons you mentioned for thinking nick is scum are only

some

of the reasons I think RM is scum.

Do you see the problem with your position?

It wasn't meant to be an analogy. I was attempting to point out the absurdity in theorising why such and such did or didn't happen, by making a similarly absurd case about the RM wagon.

[zMuffinMan]

Actually, I'm just going to repeat this:

Avoiding answering questions, having poor votes, not showing any town motivation in his posting...

How do you not see the irony in thinking nick is scum and not thinking RM is scum?

[Majiffy]

It wasn't meant to be an analogy. I was attempting to point out the absurdity in theorising why such and such did or didn't happen, by making a similarly absurd case about the RM wagon.

... Except there's nothing absurd whatsoever with my theory, counterwagons and splitting up wagons is a common scum tactic in games.

Actually, I'm just going to repeat this:

Avoiding answering questions, having poor votes, not showing any town motivation in his posting...

How do you not see the irony in thinking nick is scum and not thinking RM is scum?

Because RM can be scatter-brained in games with high activity like this. And that explains the first two. I'm assuming your argument on the third probably relies on the first two being some kind of alignment-indicative sticking point.

[Trust Fund]

Back into your hydra, jiffy.

Reading up, but this "muffin tunnels the fuck out of rach" thing is starting to give me TD-MS a la xenoblade vibes.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

It wasn't meant to be an analogy. I was attempting to point out the absurdity in theorising why such and such did or didn't happen, by making a similarly absurd case about the RM wagon.

... Except there's nothing absurd whatsoever with my theory, counterwagons and splitting up wagons is a common scum tactic in games.

Actually, I'm just going to repeat this:

Avoiding answering questions, having poor votes, not showing any town motivation in his posting...

How do you not see the irony in thinking nick is scum and not thinking RM is scum?

Because RM can be scatter-brained in games with high activity like this. And that explains the first two. I'm assuming your argument on the third probably relies on the first two being some kind of alignment-indicative sticking point.

[Trust Fund]

Because RM can be scatter-brained

The rest of that line was fluff. She's ALWAYS scatterbrained.

[Desperado]

Ok lets work out the facts here;
1) At least half if not more of the playerlist has shown support for putting nick in a scumlist.
2) A wagon has been unable to form on nick despite this.
3) Deadline is in a little over 3 days as of this post.

Based on the above facts, I presume Nick is scum and all these little mini-wagons that have been sprouting up are to keep us from consolidating on nick.

So lets consolidate on nick.
VOTE: nickthename

This is also false in its face: of the 13 lynch pools provided nick was like 5th most popular, I think he appeared in 4