Mini 1482: Castle - A Mafia Murder So Vile (GAME OVER)

[Natirasha]

Natirasha, do you have any reasons for scumreading me other than what happened at the end of the day? If not, do you not find my explanation good enough?

Truthfully, no, not really. Up until the events at the end of yesterday, I had you mostly down as null. I had written down in my notebook that you were likely the opposite alignment of Potato, though, but for the life of me I cannot remember why I came to that conclusion. That said, I dedicated to a plan of action and decided to pursue it. Do we agree that your actions at the end of yesteray could be perceived as scummy?

[Wisdom]

I can agree that they could be perceived as weird, especially to someone who doesn't know me. But not scummy.

[Natirasha]

Alright. Kill me now if I'm wrong, but there is a whole cast of people who are dangerously silent and I think they need a bit more prodding. We can pick this up later if need be.

UNVOTE: for now.

[Wisdom]

What is your read on tne and penguin?

[Desperado]

also I want to say here that mac and on our spreadsheet both noticed a direct tie between desp and tne. I thought they were masons which is why I left tne alone when he did not even remotely make sense with his case against us.

I am guessing that is not the case so I removing the both of them from the untouchables pile.

to expand I had them as siblings or masons because of the way TNE rolled into the game which I urge you all to take a look at. i didn't mention it because i thought it was too damn blatant to be scum and I had pinned them to the castle's (knowing nothing about the series) flavourwise but yes it appears to not be like so.

desp or tne can you explain what happened there then?

I don't think I can shed any light on that, but I already explained why I RVSed him here.

[Natirasha]

tne hates mollie. I have mollie down as pretty strong town at the moment. The Desperado thing is interesting(I missed it), I want to hear more from that duo. Otherwise, I had him as minor scum and was on the periphery throughout Deadlinestravaganza yesterday(I mention three times that tne is like my third pick for a lynch). It wasn't a strong scum feeling, but he fits the profile of lurkerscum to a T.

Penguin_Alien...I find more difficult. Doesn't post much, but what is there is actually, you know, useful. Lurker town would be my guess, but it's my worst read in the game.

[Natirasha]

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I like tne as scum.

[macmollie]

okay lets do this

VOTE: thenewearth

[Desperado]

Let's not

Is Mantis/Wisdom/TNE your scum team mollie?

[Wisdom]

mollie why the hell would we go for the lurkers over serra?

[Malakittens]

Castle: How does somebody put something like that behind them? He’s gonna need therapy.
Kate: It helps. First he won’t even be able to deal with it. It’s gonna take everything that he’s got to just put one foot in front of the other and get through the day.
Castle: I didn’t know you were seeing a therapist.
Kate: Yeah, well, I didn’t wanna make any excuses, I just wanted to put in the time, do the work. But I think I’m almost where I want to be now.
Castle: And where is that?
Kate: In a place where I can finally accept everything that happened that day. Everything.
Castle: I think I understand

2.06

With eleven alive it will take six to lynch.

*macmollie -
*theslimer3 -
*Sweet Pertayter -
*thenewearth - macmollie [1]
*Mantisdreamz -
*Wisdom - Sweet Pertayter [1]
*Serrapaladin - Wisdom [1]
*Desperado -
*Bert -
*Natirasha - Desperado [1]
*penguin_alien - Mantisdreamz [1]

Not Voting [6]: thenewearth, Serrapaladin, bert, penguin_alien, Theslimer3, Natirasha

Chapter 2 Ends..

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2013-09-05 03:00:00)

(There are no hints/clues in this flavor or in any flavor of the vote counts or death scenes. It's for entertainment purposes.)

[macmollie]

Let's not

Is Mantis/Wisdom/TNE your scum team mollie?

I believe I already made myself clear on mantis.

what do you think of wis's conspiracy theory on nats and sera?

[macmollie]

mollie why the hell would we go for the lurkers over serra?

this post literally reeks of scum wisdom

inb4 he says I don't know what I am talking about hurr durr

[Wisdom]

mollie are you on drugs?

[Desperado]

Let's not

Is Mantis/Wisdom/TNE your scum team mollie?

I believe I already made myself clear on mantis.

what do you think of wis's conspiracy theory on nats and sera?

I think it's more likely that there's just 1 scum in Wisdom's web, and it's Nat, but I also understand how he came to his conclusion and it makes sense. I'm not sure why you're being so dismissive about it.

[Desperado]

Let's not

Is Mantis/Wisdom/TNE your scum team mollie?

I believe I already made myself clear on mantis.

what do you think of wis's conspiracy theory on nats and sera?

I think it's more likely that there's just 1 scum in Wisdom's web, and it's Nat, but I also understand how he came to his conclusion and it makes sense. I'm not sure why you're being so dismissive about it.

[penguin_alien]

So Mantis and Wisdom are neighbors. Mantis claimed first as Richard Castle, and Wisdom claimed second as Alexis Castle. This is so blatantly town-town character-wise, I'm not sure why they'd be neighbors and not masons. (Richard and Martha, OTOH...) Which is the only thing making me uneasy: if Wisdom fake-claimed something he figured would look super-town with Mantis's claim.

Wisdom, irrespective of the above, if I'm interpreting the gazillion pages of posts right, you had a scum read on havingfitz. But you didn't want to vote there because you thought scum had organized the wagon? But that didn't make you have a town read on havingfitz at the time, as far as I can tell. None of that translates into a town-Wisdom who would have wanted one of his scum reads to flip; it looks more like a scum-Wisdom who'd made up his scum read on havingfitz and figured that when havingfitz flipped town he'd be able to use it to push the people who'd started the quicklynch wagon.

I know you have strong ideas, and heaven knows I've been scared away from wagons because I didn't like the people who were on them. But that usually applies for me when there are choices, e.g. my town reads are on another wagon. That wasn't an option here.

thenewearth came in and got pretty comfortable tunneling macmollie right quick. The criticism of macmollie in what he picks out doesn't ring true: he calls out what he sees as weak scumhunting and draws questionable connections. Here:

I felt the same way about my predecessor. This was my first time to be scum as well. I felt like if I gave my "reads," Nacho would know that it would be BS. I was hiding/lurking like a coward. Hahaha. Being town is so much more fun for me!

That quote from 503's post game seems pretty apt.

Unvote: Bert

Talk to me about Wisdom. Is the endless one line post ISO their playstyle or is it a relative scumtell? Because so far this game looks an awful lot like Wisdomscum from 503.

yes. wis is scum. let's lynch him

VOTE: wisdom

he does a lot of 1 liners as both alignments but his questions lack follow-up and it seems like town wis would complaining about the slow pace of the game. he isn't the easiest person in the world to meta but this is a gut read too.

Look at how macmollie votes desp, desp says to talk about wisdom, then macmolllie says "Oh sure, vote wisdom"
They're just sheeping, really. If they do think that wisdom was scum, then why would they wait for someone to tell them about wisdom?

Wisdom has been WAY too inconsistent near the end.

I'd be ok with that.

Though I will need to ISO him

First it's scummy to wait to probe a player until someone else calls said player out. Then thenewearth says, "Sure, I'll buy that Wisdom is scummy; let me go look into that." Irony alert: Wisdom's the player in question in the first quote too...

I want to hear from serra before drawing definite conclusions from the Wisdom-Nat-serra triangle of suspicion, but right now I don't think Wisdom's argument holds water. Whether he's being stubborn or scummy, I'm not sure.

[macmollie]

itt desp makes me lose my faith in humanity

penguin restores it

we are good as long as you dummies don't lynch her

[Wisdom]

None of that translates into a town-Wisdom who would have wanted one of his scum reads to flip;

I didn't care whether I scumread havingfitz or not at the time. I cared that I was dealing with scum succeeding in what they were doing. And I was not going to help them.

[Natirasha]

itt desp makes me lose my faith in humanity

penguin restores it

we are good as long as you dummies don't lynch her

Yup, +1'ing this post.

[Wisdom]

and figured that when havingfitz flipped town he'd be able to use it to push the people who'd started the quicklynch wagon.

So I would push people for starting a deadline wagon, even if it was on town? Deadline wagons on town happen all the time.
Also, are you saying that I made up my havingfitz read at the beginning of the day, knowing what will happen at the end of the day?

[Wisdom]

But that usually applies for me when there are choices, e.g. my town reads are on another wagon. That wasn't an option here.

You mean the Natirasha wagon that serra refused to join wasn't an option?

[Wisdom]

Also since my arguments apparently don't hold water, want to explain to me why town-serra refused to vote Natirasha at the deadline? After having even offered to self-hammer to prevent a no-lynch?

[Desperado]

itt desp makes me lose my faith in humanity

penguin restores it

we are good as long as you dummies don't lynch her

Penguin even noted that he's either scum or stubborn town. I'm thinking the latter, and that makes you lose your faith in humanity?

[macmollie]

itt desp makes me lose my faith in humanity

penguin restores it

we are good as long as you dummies don't lynch her

Penguin even noted that he's either scum or stubborn town. I'm thinking the latter, and that makes you lose your faith in humanity?

since you put it that way...

wis usually makes sense. the 1 time he didn't he was scum but I could not get it past nacho. right now his line of defense for his reasoning is "mollie are you on drugs".

I am not letting this go like I did in that game.