Big Brother: HoH Mafia (We have a winner at last)

[Voidedmafia]

Votecount 1.03:

Toogeloo - Minions
Toasty - BBMolla
Jake - Bulb, Desp
bulb - Toasty, Titus

Not Voting - Imperium, keybladewielder, Gnomeo, peacebringer, blackberry, Jake from Rainbow Dash, RachMarie, Toogeloo

With 14 alive it takes 8 to elect an HoH. Currently Jake from Rainbowdash will be elected HoH, as he was brought to N-6 first.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-09-05 12:03:01) or by 11:00 AM on September 5th, 2013

[Minions]

I did not say people who get HOH should never get it again. My proposal is that if who they evicted flips townie, they get penalized from being nommed again. If the person they evicted flips mafia, they will automatically get renommed as HoH as a reward. It's a reward system and it quite frankly has a direct impact on the people who DO know alignments: MAFIA, COP (if they have guilities).

This statement completely disregards possible busses. If you look at it this way, theres a shitload of WIFOM involved and there could be a situation where one Mafia gets HoH and gains town trust by bussing.
~ Dave

@Voided: Not Voting - Imperium, keybladewielder, Gnomeo, peacebringer, blackberry,

Jake from Rainbow Dash

, RachMarie, Toogeloo

With 14 alive it takes 8 to elect an HoH. Currently

Jake from State Farm

will be elected HoH, as he was brought to N-6 first.
Note Italics

[Titus]

@Minions, If he gains town's trust by bussing and his lynch target flips mafia he has sacrificed one of his own. His next HoH would then be judged. If it flips townie, then he wouldn't be hoh the week after. That makes total sense.

[Minions]

I know the timing is very OMGUS like but Jake just seems to argue anyone who doesn't agree with him or the popular consensus is scummy.

Exactly why is this scummy?

I kinda agree with Jake/RBD here, a lot of your posts havent really been actual scum hunting posts. Its pretty much lots of "Oh look, Im giving suggestions which lead to WIFOM, Im earning town cred here"

[Minions]

@Minions, If he gains town's trust by bussing and his lynch target flips mafia he has sacrificed one of his own. His next HoH would then be judged. If it flips townie, then he wouldn't be hoh the week after. That makes total sense.

Yes but he still gains trust for the bus or what have you. Its a reward system that can favor scum as well.

[Minions]

If KBW doesn't post in 24 hours, we should do that.

I find your theory hard to do in practice. It prevents some tactics such as drawing suspicion as a cop and claiming later. I will reflect on this in the evening.

The alternative should be scummy in their own right in case the target claims an important town role. That's why I want the HoH to at least have the say in one nominee and have some influence as to who the target is.

I dont agree with the whole "PL KBW" and Im getting bad vibes of both Jake and Bulb for suggesting it. You on the other hand? The fact that you only responded to this after Jake has prompted you to do so AND specifically targetted KBW when other people such as Rach haven't posted yet? Thats just scummy.

~ Still Dave

[Minions]

As for the conclusions that JRB is town, I'll make a special effort to look for town indicators from them given the people have already vouched for him but I just don't see it yet.

This statement is so scummy, I'll need to buy you a seeing eye dog if you cant see why.

[Imperium]

Hello! Tammy's busy right now so I'm going to post without her permission since I'm a loose cannon who cannot be restrained. I personally will not vote, won't put any FoSes down until I'm ready for the day to end. Opinions will be crystal clear though so don't you worry your pretty little heads about that.

If the HoH's evicted nominee flips Mafia, we will renominate that HoH as a reward. If the HoH's evicted nominee flips Town, we will select a new HoH.

Going for someone who is pretty town and willing to nominate based on majority decision is generally a pretty good idea. This will get more important near the end of the game but isn't so important right now.

I'm not so sure. Going against popular opinion might be a cop with a guilty on a convincing town leader.

then they should probably claim that guilty huh

Something else kind of bugging me at the moment. Does the Mafia faction have killing power? If they do, and they also control HoH, then they can make short work of town fairly quickly. If they don't have a kill, then we get into stickiness of whether it's more than 4 mafia. If it's more than 4 Mafia, then they can control the votes fairly quickly, and we will have a lot more people to chew through to win.

This is reading pretty damn town to me.

Except RVS is completely useless in this setup, instead of somewhat useless, making what Minions did fluff and suspect.

This is still a pretty bad attack.

I can trust to make that tough decision for the betterment of the town by themselves.

If you trust someone enough to give them the chance to pick whatever lynch they want all by themselves, then you should probably just sheep the player you believe will be the most accurate. No?

Let's say the votes are 8 to 6 to evict Player A. The votes come back 8 to 6 to evict player B. The scum have caused chaos and drama. We have no way of knowing who voted who despite everyone "having it out there".

Then we know scum is in those 8 players, which is actually really awesome information. If we don't hold scum accountable, then they will block vote town players and we will gain no more information for it.

[Titus]

If KBW doesn't post in 24 hours, we should do that.

I find your theory hard to do in practice. It prevents some tactics such as drawing suspicion as a cop and claiming later. I will reflect on this in the evening.

The alternative should be scummy in their own right in case the target claims an important town role. That's why I want the HoH to at least have the say in one nominee and have some influence as to who the target is.

I dont agree with the whole "PL KBW" and Im getting bad vibes of both Jake and Bulb for suggesting it. You on the other hand? The fact that you only responded to this after Jake has prompted you to do so AND specifically targetted KBW when other people such as Rach haven't posted yet? Thats just scummy.

~ Still Dave

I Know RachMarie is dealing wih a knee injury.

[Minions]

Explain why we should quicklynch KBW for not being active yet spare Gnomeo? Thats your only standard, right?

Very opportunistic.

~ Dave

[Titus]

@Imperium, I would rather have the cop hide if possible.

@Minions, The reward system only works for as long as the HoH busses. He stops bussing, the reward stop.

My playstyle is to say what I think consensus be damned. Scum want to manipulate consensus. They can go whichever way the wind blows. A plan that forces consensus to be the only action is scummy.

Look at BB15. All the racists and other scum manipulated the house to keep them. A player who plays like Amanda would live due to the defensive wall around them. There is no accountability because "The house wanted it." It's bullshit. We are accountable by revealing our votes in the day.

Your posts just contain accusations of obvscum without a reason. I don't like it at all.

[Titus]

KBW is also transparent in the one game we played together. I was the only one who FoSed him. I then died. He won as scum.

[Titus]

That's the game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=29653

[Toogeloo]

Call me skeptical of any cop claim.

The setup doesn't even look like it gives any room for Night Power roles at all, especially if the Mafia don't have a kill. So a cop claims a guilty on a player, we end up never lynching said cop, and he could end up being scum bussing his partner to get to the end of the game. I'd be surprised if there is a lot of power in this game, if any at all.

And yes, that is me claiming VT.

[PeaceBringer]

vote toogeloo HOH

[PeaceBringer]

vote toogloo

[BBmolla]

How about a compromise? We use FoS's, or whatever, as pseudo-votes. Whoever has the most p-votes by the end of the day is the first one to be nominated. The second one to be nominated is entirely decided by the HoH, which allows them to put one of their own scumreads on the chopping block. There is still accountability, night votes can still be a basis for scumhunting, and we get information based off of this random factor.

This would only help scum change a close lynch on their buddy to a lynch on a random.

[BBmolla]

Can we not do theory talk, it's boring and unhelpful

Just choose a HoH and then decide who to lynch before they choose the two, it's not that hard.

FOS- BBmolla-
Gotta do theory talk in an unorthodox game like this... nervous?

No it's boring as fuck and distracts from scumhunting

[BBmolla]

KBW PL = thumbsup.png btw

[BBmolla]

Explain why we should quicklynch KBW for not being active yet spare Gnomeo? Thats your only standard, right?

Very opportunistic.

~ Dave

You clearly haven't played with him

[BBmolla]

FoS Peacebringer

so that he'll call it OMGUS when it's not.

[PeaceBringer]

FoS Peacebringer

so that he'll call it OMGUS when it's not.

huh?

[PeaceBringer]

Can we not do theory talk, it's boring and unhelpful

Just choose a HoH and then decide who to lynch before they choose the two, it's not that hard.

FOS- BBmolla-
Gotta do theory talk in an unorthodox game like this... nervous?

No it's boring as fuck and distracts from scumhunting

um, didn't know that a fuck was boring... some enjoy theory... not me, but it is part of game when you got this stuff going on...

[Titus]

I agree. Normally, I don't like discussing theory. Here the game is just different in terms of the vote mechanic where it is required.

[BBmolla]

Man that was clever, not knowing that a fuck was boring, that's a good one.