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Post Post #275 (ISO) » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:57 pm

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Rereading the last few pages I'm feeling better about Titus, some of my problems with him earlier could have been attributed to playstyle in retrospect and I'm picking up on some townvibes now, plus Verbs/JKM atp both being on him gives me willies.
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Flammus replacing Mail doesn't place him high from the beginning but I'm reserving judgement until I see more of his thoughts.
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Brian's 231 is basically where I'm at with a lot of people, more nulltown on nacho but other than that his stances mirror mine closely, he describes my Titus feeling perfectly, and describes how I feel about Gaiden's activity.
In post 232, Flammus wrote:I'll give my opinion on the gambit. M M didn't seem like the most expierenced of players. I doubt that he could've pulled a scum self-vote out. It attracts attention and the spotlight to himself, which goes against the general mindset of newbies which is "please don't notice. Please don't ask me any questions".
I think his train of thought was "if I self-vote and show the town how I like to move out of RVS, then I'll get town reads."

Now I can just hear someone saying "get town reads? WTF! Why would a town need town reads? Obviously it's scum needing to avoid suspicion." But it's not just scum who need to be recognized by town. The whole town all bandwagoning a town player does no good for the overall town game.
This whole post problaby made no sense, but I'm tired. I don't know why exactly he used that gambit, and all we can do is speculate. My point is, usually a self-vote should be a red flag. But in a newbie game, where he said (I'm pretty sure he said this) that he played on other websites, then it might be an acceptable strategy there. He problaby didn't know the negativity it would bring him, but it DID get the game rolling.
That's the clincher though, after Mail self-voted, he didn't deliver on content before replacing out, which goes against this notion of him being town-who-knew-what-he-was-doing.
Flammus's 'I'll give my opinion' on his previous slot does give me some feelings of 'Hi, I'm town and let me tell you guys what I feel my predecessor was thinking' vibes, which comforts me.
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Verbs's Gaiden vote is ok? It makes sense, but the tiny case could've been produced by either alignment without much effort, in general feels very lazy.
In post 252, Titus wrote:I don't like Flammus coming in on defending Verbs. Let players speak for themselves.
While I don't agree that it's defending, the foreign justification feels like something a buddy could do, revisiting if either flips red.

phok's reads and rationale matching mine are reassuring, just like Flammus I'm reserving judgement here because he might've just replaced someone who didn't know what they were doing.

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Post Post #276 (ISO) » Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:57 pm

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In post 230, notscience wrote:And Shii, that's the thing.

My
gut isn't pinging hard about him
and people are decreeing he's scum and want him to claim.
In post 176, notscience wrote:Verbs, do not claim until someone expresses intent.

I think he's scum
, but this wagon is shit.
Explain this.
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Post Post #277 (ISO) » Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:33 pm

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I'm quite sad at how many people have been replaced already. Having to read and re-read everything can become quite taxing.

Also, what does it mean when somebody "flips red?" I know townies are considered "blue" in Epic Mafia. Does that make "red" players mafia on this forum?
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Post Post #278 (ISO) » Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:44 am

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We use flip scum here

Dunno why he said flip red

And fuck if I know Shii
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Post Post #279 (ISO) » Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:35 am

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Red = scum, think Fire Emblem, EM, the red color most people use onsite, etc.

Don't give me that. You thought Verbs was scum, while decrying his wagon. What the fuck is 230 supposed to mean.
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Post Post #280 (ISO) » Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:47 am

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I

Don't

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Post Post #281 (ISO) » Sat Aug 24, 2013 5:06 am

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What were you thinking? You're not giving anything to work with here at all.
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Post Post #282 (ISO) » Sat Aug 24, 2013 5:07 am

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I already said I don't know.

My best guess was I believed him scum but it always raises some alarms when people are asking for claims on page 7 and that changed it

But nothing's definite
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Post Post #283 (ISO) » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:47 am

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VC 1.7



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(2) JKMatthews - Nachomamma8, Brian Skies
(2) Verbs - phokdapolees, Shiidaji
(1) phokdapolees - Verbs
(1) Shiidaji - notscience
(1) Titus - JKMatthews


With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Not Voting: Flammus, Titus

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- JKMatthews > notscience > Verbs > unvote > Shiidaji
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- Nachomamma8 > Titus > Nachomamma8
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- Verbs > JKMatthews



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Post Post #284 (ISO) » Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:57 pm

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prod doge. Will post in morning.
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Post Post #285 (ISO) » Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:01 pm

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sporadic posting from phone for some, but can people comment on what I brought up about notscience in the meantime thanks
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Post Post #286 (ISO) » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:12 am

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Flammus, JKMatthews, and Verbs have been prodded.
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Post Post #287 (ISO) » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:26 am

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Post Post #288 (ISO) » Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:42 am

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Yo Shii

If you think I'm scum

Why aren't you voting me
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Post Post #289 (ISO) » Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:49 am

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There're better places to be, (hint: Verbs) I've been leaning town on you until I noticed that point, and I want más opiniones from my stronger townreads. Wouldn't you agree that that's pretty obvious from my ISO? : )
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Post Post #290 (ISO) » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:17 am

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Verbs feels very much like low-hanging fruit.
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Post Post #291 (ISO) » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:29 am

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[se]Okay here's the thing: You're not going to get anywhere with your style of scumhunting, not unless you develop some credibility. If you want people to listen to you, actually show your thought process, or do it soon after you do your one-off reaction tests to explain yourself and what you got out of it. The way you're playing right now could be improved
so much
if you follow this, plus it would even make it easier for us to read you.

MattP's a great example of the type of player you're trying to emulate: He posts one-off votes, gambits some, annoys people, yells, yet it works for him because people
listen
to him. Why do they listen to him? Because he built up a solid foundation of cred behind his scumhunting abilities, people who find him town and know him sheep him because they trust in his abilities. You're not there yet.[/se]
Verbs feels very much like low-hanging fruit.
What do you mean?
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Post Post #292 (ISO) » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:30 am

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It feels like too easy a lynch.
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Post Post #293 (ISO) » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:32 am

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Why is that a problem, then?
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Post Post #294 (ISO) » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:33 am

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Because I've seen these lynches before.

They tend to hit town.
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Post Post #295 (ISO) » Sun Aug 25, 2013 8:03 am

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I agree with NS on Verbs lynch and that's why it worries me. Shiidaji made a good point on NS's inconsistencies though.
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Post Post #296 (ISO) » Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:33 pm

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In post 293, Shiidaji wrote:Why is that a problem, then?
because im obviously town
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Post Post #297 (ISO) » Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:34 pm

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In post 295, Titus wrote:I agree with NS on Verbs lynch and that's why it worries me.
so how do you suppose we can alleviate that problem?
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Post Post #298 (ISO) » Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:38 pm

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In post 275, Shiidaji wrote:Rereading the last few pages I'm feeling better about Titus, some of my problems with him earlier could have been attributed to playstyle in retrospect and I'm picking up on some townvibes now, plus Verbs/JKM atp both being on him gives me willies.
explain why
In post 275, Shiidaji wrote: Verbs's Gaiden vote is ok? It makes sense, but the tiny case could've been produced by either alignment without much effort, in general feels very lazy.
i wasn't even making a case at that point, i wanted him to post more
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Post Post #299 (ISO) » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:23 pm

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Got my prod, but
I need to be replace
. Bit off a bit more than I can chew with how many games I signed up for, sorry all.

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