Big Brother: HoH Mafia (We have a winner at last)

[BBmolla]

We can keep going back and forth another 4 pages till you realize/pretend to realize I'm town if that's what it takes.

[Imperium]

Idk, I think Titus us respectable. I haven't even read the game yet, I literally just got here.

then why are you voting?

[Imperium]

molla i think you are town do you think i am town

[BBmolla]

I adore both heads so I've just kind of assumed so atm. Post more.

Just realized Titus is more likely to be scum here than Toasty

UNFOS: Toasty

FOS: Titus

[ToastyToast]

Will you cowards stop saying you'll nominate me without an FoS, and actually explain why rather than just bumming off a half-assed case?
Its annoying.

[BBmolla]

Toasty, what's your Titus read?

[Imperium]

oh god toasty is town again
fuck

[Voidedmafia]

Votecount 1.06:

Toogeloo - Minions, Gnomeo
Jake - Bulb, Desp, BBmolla, peace
bulb - Toasty, Titus
BBmolla - Toogeloo
Titus - Keyblade

Not Voting - Imperium, blackberry, Jake from Rainbow Dash, RachMarie

With 14 alive it takes 8 to elect an HoH. Currently Jake from Rainbowdash will be elected HoH, as they have the most votes.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-09-05 12:03:01) or by 11:00 AM on September 5th, 2013

[ToastyToast]

When you said it's a "game by game basis" or whatever, you can literally say that for any sort of meta.

I don't think i've said anything about "game by game basis." I said context matters, which I think everyone will agree is true.

Like Toasty you're calling me scum for shit I don't do as scum what do you want me to say? I'm not gonna sit back and take that, that's bullshit.

I called you scum because you snapped at a valid observation. Obviously it hit a sore spot.

If you know your meta you can manipulate it. And if meta is as important as you seem to think (it isn't), then why not bring my meta into it?

Context = Game Context = Meta

I snapped because it was an observation with intentions of having other people come to the conclusion, which is scummy. Instead of coming to the conclusion themselves and conclusively starting my wagon, they instead fished to see if anyone would take the observation, come to the conclusion I'm scum, and then sheep them.

Because I can foresee a "My meta is irrelevent because bla bla" after you saying, yknow, that meta is irrelevent.

Like, you're wrong Toasty, it's pretty shitty and looks bad that you haven't realized it by now.

No that is not what I mean by context. I'm talking about tone, presentation, timing, etc.
Town doesn't snap--they argue. You are 100% free to defend yourself, but the statement felt more like you were called out on a sudden read change ( a viable concern) and instead of explaining why you had this change you go after the person who made it. You still haven't explained it beyond "you're snarky"

your whole fishing argument has way too many assumptions in it with very little to back it up. I make statements like that all the time as town and have only really been called scum for it when I called something "weird" but didn't explain what it meant. Sayin "that was a fast turn" is pretty clear on what it means.

Sir meta police her should know that I really don't give a shit if I "look bad."

PEDIT: @BBmolla: I dislike a lot of his posts but not the one we are conflicting about here. Like, I agree with him that playing "what the house wants" is bad in this game, but I think him saying "scum want to manipulate consensus..." thing is a very narrow look at the issue. Everyone will want to lead the discussion in this game. Because someone has to put people up, and they want to be right. The rest is a whole bunch of theory talk, and telling minions that scum sometimes buss scum. Noshitsherlock.

So atm he's null but not off my radar.

[Voidedmafia]

RachMarie has been prodded ((expired on 2013-08-25 15:18:10))

[Keybladewielder]

I was just going random. I've played with several of you before and I just voted the first name I saw.

Unvote: Titus

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Oh, my nominees...

Gnomeo and Toast.

Idk, I think Titus us respectable. I haven't even read the game yet, I literally just got here.

So... how do you have suspects and a vote out? You haven't read the game or anything but have a list of who is scum and a HoH vote? Also how are those three the "first names you saw" if you are voting randomly?

KBW is always a good policy lynch but this is also a legitimately scummy entrance into the game.

I think he gets locked into our list here soon.

[Keybladewielder]

I never said they were scummy. I also said it was random. The first names I saw.

I dislike Toasty's avi, and Gnomeo is new, so there you go.

[Blackberry]

Ugh, I'll post later - I do have things I wish to bring up. And I haven't read past Page 1 (LOL). I have strong feelings on Toog's alignment, though I do wish to point out that by Toog's own logic, he himself is scummy.

I also think Minions had a scum response to Toog's post. I also have iffy feelings on Titus.

To be honest, most of my feelings don't come from WHAT these players have said, but HOW they have said it.

But I'll be more thorough with my comments later and catch up on the other 6 pages >_<.

[Imperium]

Town+

Blackberry:

His opening post where he details the plan for HoH is a pretty solid opening; I figure that he's approaching this game like a mish mash game and trying to optimize our approach (whereas as scum that post would have an intent to manipulate or seem especially town), and there were no hints of ill intent in there. I like the "going to message the mod and may or may not reveal the answer" because there's no reason to be transparent about something like that as scum and it's a really, really weird way to go about netting towncred as scum. Tammy and I also thought that his original push not to be HoH was pretty fucking town just because it was so genuine; the advantage of proposing a plan like that would be getting it as scum early (all the while reassuring everyone that scum have an incentive to bus), getting a strong townie lynched, and then letting a partner in more favor bring down the bus hammer later. We also like pressure on HoH to lynch scum, it's generally good for people in power positions such as kings and head honchos.

BBMolla:

Molla molla is town as fuck because he's posting an being actively town and shit. Tammy liked Post #13 for similar reasoning to our love of Blackberry's not wanting to be head honcho, but there's more than that to love from this redhead. #101 and the post after that were my personal favorites because it was a great time to change gears as town and shows that he's constantly reanalyzing, constantly hunting. His proactiveness in asserting his towniness is meta quality of his that he doesn't emulate very well as scum (mostly because he looks scummy as shit as scum), and I dig that in his conflict with ToastyToast. More than that, I like the back off of Toasty after things start heating up with him as well as him still trying to figure Toasty out (as reflected in #155 which I'm not gonna link because I'm getting lazy).

ToastyToast:

Tammy and I both he looks similar to our respective experiences with scummy Toasty who actually isn't scum. But for those who don't dig that reasoning (and I totally get it, it sounds kind of weird), there is more solid reasoning in ToastyToast being town. For one, the subtle paranoia expressed in his first post (I suggest that we don't nominate the same HoH twice in a row to prevent giving scum all the power) is pretty good, as is his response to threats of nominations of him. I like paranoia as a general towntell as long as it doesn't look fake as hell and this doesn't, and calling all of the people nominating him without expressing reasons "cowards" is pretty much classic toast from what I understand of him.

Toogeloo:

Pretty transparent town right now as per the usual. #22 with the "mafia players are more likely to lead" is that good paranoia I saw in Toasty, his sparse townreads are also a good sign of that paranoia, and him being unaware of the number of scum also seemed pretty damn genuine. It would be quite the scum play if he called someone else town for a slip and then fakes a slip of his own, so he's a member of Occam's town. #42 is also good, I like the start of his attack on Bulbazak and it develops quite well through the rest of his ISO.

Minions:

Their three-headed hydra is pretty town so far. I agree with Toog that the vote confusion is something that is more likely to come from town than scum, but I also liked the early sync up with other obvious town Toogeloo and Jerry's attack on Bulbazak for the FoS on their slot. I'll probably be able to explain this later if you put my feet to the flames and force me to, but i'm pretty down with the minions so far.

Town:

Desperado:

Desperado hasn't posted much so far, but he's following his typical posting style so far. I dig his early townread on JRBD, I dig him not really wanting to be HoH, I dig his BB townread; I just need more from the guy to show that my initial feelings are not lies.

Jake from Rainbowdash:

We're mostly keeping these two from Town+ out of respect for their scumgame, but I think they have a pretty nice start so far. We mostly agree as far as HoH nomination goes (there's no way in hell I'm going to nominate a town+ read no matter what the hell everyone else is saying), and we both agree that they're a pretty trustworthy choice for the nomination regardless of their alignment, so that's always pretty awesome. I think that RBD makes it a priority as town to establish these protown plans as town but doesn't have that same tendency as scum, so I feel pretty good about them so far. We'll see if they can continue to live up to my high standards.

PeaceBringer:

I have a soft spot for PB's posting style, but I must admit that I'm not familiar enough with him to sort him out reliably yet. I did think that his "i'm not sold on one faction" slip was EXTREMELY genuine, makes sense in context of the show, I liked his attack on Molla for shutting down game theory even though he doesn't like game theory himself, and boredom in the game not producing enough content all felt pretty town to me. He's a personal Town+ for me although I'll let Tammy come around on him naturally before swinging that one.

Titus:

Sort of tentatively in the town pile for now; the way that she's been pushing for a HoH who doesn't allow themselves to be manipulated by scum is sort of the thing that I'd expect out of her by now; it's also a pretty unpopular opinion that she's pushing but she's pushing it very brazenly which I like quite a bit.

Leftovers:

Bulbazak:

Bulbazak is probably my first priority as far as "people to sort" goes this game, but I'm not really happy in him getting lost with theory discussions and even that being inconsistent. In particular, he goes with the "I'd rather have a loose cannon HoH" as opposed to a "follow who the town wants to die" HoH but votes JRBD as head honcho even though they are hardline the complete opposite of his position. I think his FoS of Minions is also weak and unsubstantiated and pretty weird, so that's a nice bonus.

Keybladewielder:

Hasn't really done shit so not looking great. Not my preferred nomination at the moment because lurking isn't anything new for her and occasionally she becomes crazy transparent so I'd rather not lose a free townread if I have the potential to get one.

RachMarie:

The read on her is more content than she's produced so far, and that's a problem. But I trust her to give us good stuff if town so I can wait for her to make her diva entrance.

Gnomeo:

In general, we don't like when people pull the whole "oh man I forgot to bookmark ", and his general posting generally brings tears to my eyes and I pretty much want him to die ASAP unless he shows some signs of doing something awesome soon.

So my nominees at the moment are Gnomeo and Bulbazak, would vote Jake HoH if we wanted day to end. Luckily, there's still plenty of sunlight and plenty of time to get cozy with people.

hey bulba!

[RachMarie]

Hey all sorry about being late to the party, been sick along with my fiance NS.

Will read up and post my reads.

I will say at this point, Imperium do not expect much more from Key, this is how he plays every game, which I am sure is why BB was suggesting a PL on him.

Could someone fill me in on the heads of the hydrae? Thanks
Well other than Dashie n Jake I kinda figured that one out

[ToastyToast]

I never said they were scummy. I also said it was random. The first names I saw.

I dislike Toasty's avi, and Gnomeo is new, so there you go.

Why are you random voting 6 pages into the game. And I'm so sorry you don't like angrytoast

[Titus]

I don't like keyblade's entrance atm. I will comment more tonight when I catch up fully.

[BBmolla]

Okay so KBW is town cause of that ^

[RachMarie]

huh? BB could you explain that one a bit more?

[Toogeloo]

meh, I fully expect scum to bus their buddies this game. It's practically encouraged if it earns them an HoH or two along the way.

JfRD's comments elaborate pretty well why KBW's entrance was pretty terribad.

[BBmolla]

Yeah but it seems more like a half assed mislynch to me.

[ToastyToast]

Yeah but it seems more like a half assed mislynch to me.

So we aren't allowed to call her on the bullshit?

[BBmolla]

"we" meaning?

Whatever you did was fine, Titus's seems like half assed mislynch.

[BBmolla]

Actually yours isn't very good either, but it doesn't really matter cause you're probably town.