Mini 1478 ~ Mafia Xenologue (Game Over!)

[Jabberwock]

I kept checking the thread throughout today to see how many people I needed to shout at.

LLD--we're not scum. Lay off. I'm out of patience to deal with that crap.

Purpkin--two roleblockers in a Vi game are quite likely, even with a 13p, and may share alignments (see Mafia Jailbreak and etc.).

I am exhausted. Blame Vi. Andrius and DTM are still being completely useless--Empire, you have the reins, feel free to vote whenever.

[morph the cat]

~Hawk's jump on sakura in 616 and the rest of page 25 is interesting because he just takes a huge break from tunneling morph to grab a lynch on sakura before returning

~659 Is hilarious because the answer to you wondering why is funny given you aren't considering it might be you with the wrong read and not everyone else.

~Was 685 followed up on? Nacho doesn't recall that happening.



To LLD:

You were bragging about your scum game. It that a better way to put it, or can you explain that yourself better?

[morph the cat]

Purpkin--two roleblockers in a Vi game are quite likely, even with a 13p, and may share alignments (see Mafia Jailbreak and etc.).

Nacho says thanks, and that this is useful info.

[ProHawk]

Morph The Cat:

Is playing an incredibly back-seat game.
Is backing extremely easy lynches while letting other people do the dirty work for them.
Used fake/forced reasoning to push me from town-null-scum (I realize this is mostly subjective and requires the knowledge of my alignment, but is easy to see from where I am sitting)
Used semantics and had odd/awkward responses to my inquiries into their play.
Refusing to explain why/show how my tunneling is indicative of being scum (this plays into the fake/forced reason point)

Nacho:

You seriously need to consider... of all the people that claimed Neighborizers, what are the odds that all of them are town?

[ProHawk]

Hey Jabberwock-scum dude. Get your vote on me so I can die and people can actually do something productive when they see me flip town.

[Jabberwock]

Nah, ProHawky. Then people would realize we are scum going for the easy mislynch!

We're not putting you on L-1 until this Day is done, and it's clearly not done yet, so sit still and shut up.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nah, ProHawky. Then people would realize we are scum going for the easy mislynch!

We're not putting you on L-1 until this Day is done, and it's clearly not done yet

, so sit still and shut up.

WHAT IS THIS SHIT.

I'M SERIOUS NACHO. YOU FUCKING GET OUT HERE AND EXPLAIN EXACTLY WHY THIS SLOT IS TOWN OR SO HELP ME GOD.

[Jabberwock]

Jesus fucking Christ, LLD. Nacho is posting and I gave the reins of our vote to Empire because I'm about ready to pass out. What is your problem?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Jesus fucking Christ, LLD. Nacho is posting and I gave the reins of our vote to Empire because I'm about ready to pass out. What is your problem?

My problem is your play doesn't make sense. It just fucking doesn't.

[morph the cat]

~Prohawk, LLD took Saki/Sakura's self votes to be different in favor of sakitown and sakura scum. You took em as the same so why did you ask?

~Re: 883 saki nobody would ever fucking night kill you

~Town read on daemon stale so he needs to come do shit




To LLD:

Sakura and tip were lynched too fast, nacho dies with a hammer, and he's still catching up, the day isn;'t over.

~928, prohawk are you seriously telling us that your tunnel case makes you town?

~994 "oh herpaderp everyone is ignoring me because I'm right" is shit posting and shit argument

Nacho says scumteam from his POV is {prohawk-saki-daemon} with an outlier of DTM for "reasons" but it's an outside chance. He does have a slight bit of paranoia that hawk is just being a ruffling, but it's getting to a point of unlikely as fuck as time goes on

[morph the cat]

Is playing an incredibly back-seat game.

That TIP lynch was morph playing backseat? Really?

Is backing extremely easy lynches while letting other people do the dirty work for them.

So you mean supported the sakura hana lynch? What other easy lynches do you mean?

Refusing to explain why/show how my tunneling is indicative of being scum (this plays into the fake/forced reason point)

They are town, you are tunneling them to death; that says scum unless you're claiming tunneling is some sort of a towntell for you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nacho says scumteam from his POV is {prohawk-saki-daemon} .

You tell Nacho that I guarantee at LEAST 1 of those is wrong, if not 2.

Let's say, for a second, that Saki and Prohawk are town.

And DTM is obvious town for me, so let's say he's town too.

In that world, Nacho, with Daemon, who else is scum?

[ProHawk]

Because Jabberwock. Pretending to want to Extend this day is dumb.

The people who haven't posted much haven't posted because they don't care/have the motivation/have been too busy and have a gigantic amount to catch up on. Regardless, you wouldn't be hammering, you would be putting me at L-1.

I have exhausted my lungs trying to get people to see things the way I do. IT IS NOT WORKING.

I need to flip so that people can redirect. Nacho can introspectively do a personal-mafia-self-inquisition to figure out where he keeps going wrong. And instead of me arguing with you, nacho, morph, and purpkin, D3 can start off on a fresh foot in likely LYLO and hopefully pull out a win from the depths which is unlikely considering the bang-up job scum is doing at fooling everyone.

P-EDIT: I am going to say it again. Tunneling is not a scum-tell. It isn't even a strategic scum-move. Again, use your head.

[morph the cat]

Nacho says scumteam from his POV is {prohawk-saki-daemon} .

You tell Nacho that I guarantee at LEAST 1 of those is wrong, if not 2.

Let's say, for a second, that Saki and Prohawk are town.

And DTM is obvious town for me, so let's say he's town too.

In that world, Nacho, with Daemon, who else is scum?

Nacho wants to have you hold him and reassure him that you're not just getting paranoid on him, because he doesn't see how it doesn't make sense.

[ProHawk]

Prohawk, LLD took Saki/Sakura's self votes to be different in favor of sakitown and sakura scum. You took em as the same so why did you ask?

Why did I ask what? Make your posts coherent at least.

[Jabberwock]

LLD, please.

Look. I know we're probably on a timer. I probably know better than most what are the likely influences on said timer (because it's not like anyone bothers to check Maf.Maiden). I also know that Oil Tycoons will be silenced after Today, and that FOR TWO DAYS NOW people were quickhammered early in the Day. Nacho is thought-dumping and I'm okay with this. I'm not commenting much, no, but I walked something like 5 miles today and have the other head to refer to when he's not feeling like shit. This makes PERFECT SENSE from the PoV of someone who wants input from confTown and input from two of the biggest unknown variables in this game (Andrius and DTMaster), and doesn't want someone like Saki to hammer or ProHawk to self-hammer. So you can take your "your play doesn't make sense!" complaints and toss them at Saki instead, because

waiting for things to play out and asking for content from missing people

is a perfectly understandable Town attitude. Could I have put ProHawk at L-1 at this point if I was third party? Sure I could, and would have much less scrutiny from you &co. Bugger off before I take my ailing legs and beat you with them.

Now excuse me. G'night.

[morph the cat]

In that world, Nacho, with Daemon, who else is scum?

He says probably you and andy, but that you've both been pretty fucking town so that's not gonna hapopen

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nacho says scumteam from his POV is {prohawk-saki-daemon} .

You tell Nacho that I guarantee at LEAST 1 of those is wrong, if not 2.

Let's say, for a second, that Saki and Prohawk are town.

And DTM is obvious town for me, so let's say he's town too.

In that world, Nacho, with Daemon, who else is scum?

Nacho wants to have you hold him and reassure him that you're not just getting paranoid on him, because he doesn't see how it doesn't make sense.

I promise you this isn't Paranoia Nacho. I promise promise promise.

I guarantee you this is DTM town and this is Saki town. Prohawk is LIKELY town, but of my town reads he's the one most likely to be scum.

Daemon is scum for me just like you. Totally agree.

But think about that, 3 out of your 4 reads are my top town reads.

I trust Morph to be town, but even Morph is below Prohawk.

For me, it's gotta be the scum existing within Purpkin/Jabberwock/Andrius/Daemon. Everyone else feels town.

And obviously, there is margin of ERROR. You and I can't both be 100% right, but neither of us are 100% wrong either.

[Vi]

~Vote Count XXVI:

Nailah and Rafiel

ProHawk (3) ~ morph the cat, morph the cat, Purpkin
morph the cat (1) ~ ProHawk
Andrius (1) ~ DTMaster

Not Voting:

Andrius, Daemon385, Lady Lambdadelta, Jabberwock, Saki

--With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

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[Lady Lambdadelta]

In that world, Nacho, with Daemon, who else is scum?

He says probably you and andy, but that you've both been pretty fucking town so that's not gonna hapopen

So out of Me Andy Jabberwock PURPKIN(HEY HERE'S A NAME PEOPLE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT) and Daemon.

The three scum are Me Andy and Daemon?

How the fuck does this make any sense. If this was true I'd be letting this town sink to it's apathetic grave and laughing my way to a victory.

[ProHawk]

Hey Jabberwock, if I am scum, where is the counter wagon?

[morph the cat]

From nacho to hawk:
LLD saw the self votes as different but you saw them the same, so why attack jabberwocky for calling them as different but not attack LLD? Also, you're avoiding explaining the majority of things nacho has talked about, and he really wants to know what you think makes you so right and him so wrong, given his experience with, and proven accuracy of reading ffery (And cabd) more than you do with either of the two morph heads.

[ProHawk]

Because his experience/accuracy is based on people and personalities. These are two DYNAMIC things and are easily manipulated. Motivation however isn't.

I will need to re-read through some things to see what I missed, if there is any specific point you would like, pointing them out would be quicker.

I don't recall LLD's posts seeming contradictory like Jabberwocks that I mentioned. Could you give me a post number?

[ProHawk]

Also, name one time you nailed Cabd as scum please Nacho.

[ProHawk]

Because I recently did.