Mini 1492: Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets GAME OVER

[LnGrrrR]

Squilly, could you provide some reasons for your votes? Naked votes are frowned upon.

Frowned upon by whom? Do you frown upon them?

By myself and most of the Mafia community that Im familiar with. Do you disagree?

[Amrun]

Well, yes, depending on context, but I don't care about that.

VOTE: lngrr

Tonally, the passive voice is very strange there, and strange how he went out of the way to say that without remarking on squilly's alignment.

[ChannelDelibird]

Shit. Amrun's posting has been legit scummy right up until 51, which is a really town post.

Hmm, on balance I'm more likely to be wrong about the scumminess than I am the towniness.

UNVOTE: Amrun
VOTE: LnGrrrR

[LnGrrrR]

Are we starting off with as many stupid votes as possible? The reason I said that sentence the way I did is to show that its not just me being a dick, it's something that's a generally understood rule of mafia, that votes/unvotes should have a reasoning attached. I wasn't sure if Squilly knew that or not. I figured I would give him a chance to try to explain his scummy votes.

Also not a fan of the weird triangle between Amrun, ChannelDelibird and Squilly.

Hey Amrun, what "context" excuses Squilly's naked votes there?

[Amrun]

Define "weird triangle."

I never said squilly's vote was good/excused. (It is neither.)

[LnGrrrR]

Define "weird triangle."

I never said squilly's vote was good/excused. (It is neither.)

Post 5: Amrun votes Channel in RVS
Post 12: CHannel votes Amrun in RVS
Post 17: Channel says vote on Amrun is no longer RVS
Post 18: Squilly naked unvotes, votes Amrun
Post 19: Squilly unvotes Amrun, votes Channel
Post 22: Amrun votes Squilly (and tells Channel not to be silly)
Post 36: Channel still saying Amrun is scummy
Post 39: Squilly unvotes Channel, votes Amrun
Post 42: Channel parrots Jason questioning me
Post 49: Amrun questions me
Post 51: Amrun votes me
Post 52: Channel votes me

Squilly has only "seriously" voted both of you, you and CDB both voted for each other in RVS, and then you both voted me back to back. Not sure what to make of it, but it feels off to me.

@Amrun, if Squilly's vote isn't good, why didnt you question him?

@Channel, you said a majority of Amrun's posts were scummy, then because of one post you unvote and vote me instead, with no reasoning. Explain?

[Amrun]

Why are these "weird triangle" interactions indicative if anything? What are they interactive of?

I didn't question squilly because I'd already pressured him for exactly the same thing before and because your response was far more interesting. Questioning him too would have undermined my own inquiry to you. Squilly has already proven he's going to be a schizophrenic newbie. I have my eye on him but I have my own methods of sussingthings out.

[LnGrrrR]

I don't know that it is necessarily "indicative" of anything... As I just said above, not sure what to make of it but it feels off. Just a gut reaction that there's too much synchronicity there.

As far as pressure, you "pressured" him for all of six posts (voted him post 22... then you unvoted him and voted Oriole post 28 for defending Squilly). If you wanted to keep pressure on Squilly, why the unvote?

[Amrun]

I didn't say I wanted to keep the pressure on squilly.

[penguin_alien]

Vote on Amrun now legit, lynch away.

why would you vote on someone you have no proof that he's scum and not be scum
first scum list
ChannelDelibird
Amrun-I still thing he could be scum
UNVOTE:
VOTE:

ChannelDelibird

Fine, I'll bite. Squilly, please explain your thought process here and what changed to make you go back to Amrun.

[Nexus]

Fegelein replaces T S O

[Fegelein]

Yay, easy read for once.

[Fegelein]

Squilly isn't making much sense, but he might be new.
I'm not liking #28 from Amrun, it strikes me as a subtle OMGUS vote and I don't see how he's impeding scumhunting, he's just townhunting.
I'm not liking #30 either, attacking someone for first having a random vote, then RVS bandwagoning, then voting with albeit shaky logic.
Hate #33, it's a bad reason to accuse someone, and it seems mis-reppy.
Early Town-read on ChannelDelibird.
#46 reveals pressure. Counter-productive.
Squilly's play strikes me as null, in fact, bandwagoning early game most of the town leans more town than scum. It's when we're further in the game where the butter zone becomes an issue.
#48: Opening RVS wagon.
#51: I don't see how #50 is scummy.
But I don't like #53 though, mainly by calling the vote on him "stupid" is a little sloppy. Also, the weird triangle accusation is pretty much a sloppy, unbalanced way of calling out 3 players with little reasoning.
This weird triangle accusation holds absolutely no weight whatsoever, and is pretty absurd.
The first paragraph of #57 seems sloppy, it's as if he has little else to say and is throwing baseless accusations at 3 players.

VOTE: LnGrrrR

[LnGrrrR]

Explain why it's "sloppy"? I merely voiced it because I noticed it; I'm not good enough scumhunting to nail scum off one or two posts, so I usually tell the thread about posts I find questionable to see if those who are good scumhunters notice anything. (If you want to see what Im talking about, check my two completed games on here: Newbie 1368 and Open 495. I pretty much was wrong on all my initial reads.)

[Fegelein]

Explain why it's "sloppy"? I merely voiced it because I noticed it; I'm not good enough scumhunting to nail scum off one or two posts, so I usually tell the thread about posts I find questionable to see if those who are good scumhunters notice anything. (If you want to see what Im talking about, check my two completed games on here: Newbie 1368 and Open 495. I pretty much was wrong on all my initial reads.)

Firstly, it's sloppy because it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. They may have been voting each other a lot, but what else can you say? If you think it's because they are a trio, you're either an insanely paranoid Townie or scum looking for as many people as possible to incriminate. You're trying to use that as a scum-tell when none of them have even flipped scum yet.

Secondly, I don't like the self-meta. You're trying to use your behaviour in the past as a "Get out of Jail Free" card, and self-meta is scummy in its own right.

Thirdly, I have a feeling from your interactions with Amrun that one of you is probably scum. And I'm feeling you more.

[LnGrrrR]

What exactly do you mean by "You're trying to use that as a scum-tell when none of them have even flipped scum yet."

Of course they haven't flipped yet; I just noted the odd interaction. I don't know if any of them ARE scum, but I mention it so when I review later or I get killed, I at least have it noted in my ISO. I only stated it felt "off" to me because that is how it feels: it doesn't necessarily make any of them scum, but once one of them flips I can review.

Obviously I think Squilly's voting pattern/play this game have been scummy, but I think it's suspicious how he has voted only CDB and Amrun. Yes, it might be me being overly paranoid, but I find it better to be paranoid early than to be too trusting.

Tell me Fegelin, what do you think of the interaction between Amrun and Channel? What do you think of Squilly's votes?

@Jason, still waiting for you to tell us whether you are going to explain your vote or not.

[JasonWazza]

My explanation is that Amrun is scum. i'm just pointing out your bitching over Squilly's meaningless votes when me and CDB were both doing the same thing.

[LnGrrrR]

@Jason, I probably wouldn't have said anything if he hadn't done it multiple times and provided some horrible logic for one of his votes.

Would you care to expound on what makes you think Amrun is scum? Meta? Slip/tell? Etc etc.

[Amrun]

Jason, start playing the game.

[JasonWazza]

I am playing the game.

[Amrun]

That's why you're still on your rvs vote, right?

[JasonWazza]

Who said it was RVS?

[Amrun]

That's exactly my point. If it isn't, you're not playing the game. Your next post after rvs was "Amrun is STILL scum," implying I was scum in rvs because "I'm always scum." If you have a legitimate scumread on me, step up to the plate because you're not playing.

[JasonWazza]

I had a scum read on you, when i voted.

[StubbsKVM]

Fegelein, is there a specific reason you got that townread on channel?