Mini 1482: Castle - A Mafia Murder So Vile (GAME OVER)

[Mantisdreamz]

penguin, why is it that neither you or Desp have mentioned each other? except for at the beginning you guys were idly asking questions to each other... which kind of appears like possible attempts at distancing from each other, as scum buddies. and the questions kinda petered out and didn't lead to anything

but you guys have not even brought each other up at all. or if i've missed it (i'm looking at both ISO's), then it must have been just a passing comment, if that.

[Wisdom]

When I was telling serra to vote Nat, Nat had 4 votes, fitz had 0, and there was NO indication that a wagon on fitz will ever happen. You purposefully fail to look at things the way they were at the moment serra did what he did, you look at them from a point in the future.

[Malakittens]

Beckett: Why is it so important to you that I believe all this stuff about fates and psychics and Santa Claus?
Castle: Because if you don't believe in even the possibility of magic, you'll never ever find it.

2.20

with eleven alive it will take six to lynch.

*macmollie -
*theslimer3 -
*Sweet Pertayter -
*thenewearth - penguin_alien [1]
*Mantisdreamz - macmollie, Sweet Pertayter, Natirasha, Desperado [4]
*Wisdom -
*Serrapaladin - Wisdom, bert [2]
*Desperado - Serrapaladin [1]
*Bert -
*Natirasha -
*penguin_alien -

Not Voting [3]: thenewearth, Theslimer3, Mantisdreamz

Chapter 2 Ends..

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2013-09-05 03:00:00)

(There are no hints/clues in this flavor or in any flavor of the vote counts or death scenes. It's for entertainment purposes.)

[penguin_alien]

I'm voting for a lurker whose posts I find scummy.

Tell you what, if a majority of the people here say there's no way they'd vote TNE/have a town read on him, I'll concede that my vote is useless and support another lynch. But I can say right now that it won't be you, serra, or Mantis.

[serrapaladin]

there was NO indication that a wagon on fitz will ever happen.

How are you this stupid? Basically everyone around (including you) had indicated that they wouldn't be averse to a fitz wagon.

[Mantisdreamz]

Desp's earlier ISO is a little weird too. he states out of nowhere that: arc, newearth, lynnx and fitz are town: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p5193537
when fitz had made one post of substance, which involved a vote on me for posting a picture or something.

then later he randomly states that Bert, Tater and i should be lynched: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p5207230
while at this point, he hasn't even had any discussion with me OR Tater. and was voting Bert at the time, pushing him about Bert's vote on Nat, when Bert was looking pretty towny at that point.

mollie - if you remember, you even made mention that you did not like the angle Desp was taking on Bert.

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: penguin

You guys dont want to sheep me on serra? Sheep me on this. Whether with serra or not, penguin and Desp are both scum. There's no fucking doubt about this. This is not town-penguin.

[Wisdom]

there was NO indication that a wagon on fitz will ever happen.

How are you this stupid? Basically everyone around (including you) had indicated that they wouldn't be averse to a fitz wagon.

Quote.

[Wisdom]

Btw Mantis is bleeding town again and whoever continues voting her is fucking terrible.

[Mantisdreamz]

Desp and penguin are scum and this serra defense is troubling me.

YES

[Mantisdreamz]

think Desp is scum and was whiteknighting thenewearth

[Wisdom]

Mantis, if serra is town, who is the third scum?

[serrapaladin]

think Desp is scum and was whiteknighting thenewearth

You're hilarious, you know that?

[Wisdom]

SERRA
Quote me where near the deadline, and BEFORE you refused to vote Nat, people were talking about a fitz wagon.

[Mantisdreamz]

Mantis, if serra is town, who is the third scum?

i was just gonna say...... but you might flip out... that i could actually potentially see a scum slimer. trying to take on the appearance of just being lazy town.

if not - i dunno, maybe Tater? i have to read their posts again, but i've thought town the whole time so far. or Nat - have to read him again in relation to penguin and Desp

[Mantisdreamz]

think Desp is scum and was whiteknighting thenewearth

You're hilarious, you know that?

is it cause i voted Desp earlier than unvoted him, and am now back to scum him?

[Wisdom]

I won't flip out. If serra is town, the third scum is in {slimer, Tater, Natirasha}.
And I might just add mollie in there if I don't see an unvote in her next post.

[serrapaladin]

i was just gonna say...... but you might flip out... that i could actually potentially see a scum slimer. trying to take on the appearance of just being lazy town.

<3

[penguin_alien]

penguin, why is it that neither you or Desp have mentioned each other? except for at the beginning you guys were idly asking questions to each other... which kind of appears like possible attempts at distancing from each other, as scum buddies. and the questions kinda petered out and didn't lead to anything

but you guys have not even brought each other up at all. or if i've missed it (i'm looking at both ISO's), then it must have been just a passing comment, if that.

You're right that I haven't had much cause to engage with Desperado. He's been pushing you on a meta read I don't concur with and voicing suspicion of Nat. Neither are causes where I see any particular contribution I can make. He's being dumb WRT you, as far as I can see, but I can't make him interpret your meta differently. Wisdom's tunnel on Nat right now is making me less receptive to that case, but I should probably rectify that.

Wisdom, so my not townreading you means I must be scum? And you're comparing my ability to town read you here to a game where a) 3 of 4 scum had flipped, even if they didn't have as many interactions as one would like, and b) I had a ton of inside info as a mason in that set-up? I can elaborate, but it was pretty situation-specific. Although fine, if you think you have such a distinctive style as town, point me to a scum game where the difference is clear. The most recent one will do.

Here, day two on the heels of you refusing to vote a scum read at deadline, it's not clear to me. If I'm scum for that, fine, whatever.

Macmollie, can you explain more specifically what you're seeing as scummy from Mantis?

[Wisdom]

Wisdom's tunnel on Nat right now

what?

[Mantisdreamz]

oh ya the thing with Nat, is that if Desp is scum, he was (what i mentioned in post 1480) pushing Bert for voting him. don't know if i could see scum doing that for their partner.

[serrapaladin]

Wisdom, the people on the Nati wagon at that point were: mantis, tater, you, and lynx.

You and mantis had already said you'd join a fitz wagon. Lynx had said equally little about nati and fitz, so I thought she would join. Nati had started talking about no-lynching, so I had the impression he wouldn't self-hammer. The only one mildly averse to a fitz wagon was tater.

The only person I'd lynch over serra right now is havingfitz. Or maybe Natirasha. But there's no time for either wagon to happen.

Bert in response to 555 (can't quote it seems)
I dunno probably fitz? The guy my votes on.
I don't even remember who serra took over for.
if deadlines not soonish today, ill be able to give a better respinse.
dont think desp though.

I will compromise on fitz, Mantis. VOTE: havingfitz

[Wisdom]

Wisdom, so my not townreading you means I must be scum? And you're comparing my ability to town read you here to a game where a) 3 of 4 scum had flipped, even if they didn't have as many interactions as one would like, and b) I had a ton of inside info as a mason in that set-up? I can elaborate, but it was pretty situation-specific. Although fine, if you think you have such a distinctive style as town, point me to a scum game where the difference is clear. The most recent one will do.

No you're scum because this is not your town play. As town you'd re-evaluate, here you're sticking to a certain thing you said despite it no longer making sense.

[Mantisdreamz]

i was just gonna say...... but you might flip out... that i could actually potentially see a scum slimer. trying to take on the appearance of just being lazy town.

<3

yes... so you may be right on him

[serrapaladin]

think Desp is scum and was whiteknighting thenewearth

You're hilarious, you know that?

is it cause i voted Desp earlier than unvoted him, and am now back to scum him?

It's hilarious because of:

desperado is a bad vote.
what use would he have as scum to move the lynch away from TNE? no one is that obvious as scum partners. and that's over the top whiteknighting