Mini 1492: Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets GAME OVER

[Fegelein]

What exactly do you mean by "You're trying to use that as a scum-tell when none of them have even flipped scum yet."

Of course they haven't flipped yet; I just noted the odd interaction. I don't know if any of them ARE scum, but I mention it so when I review later or I get killed, I at least have it noted in my ISO. I only stated it felt "off" to me because that is how it feels: it doesn't necessarily make any of them scum, but once one of them flips I can review.

Obviously I think Squilly's voting pattern/play this game have been scummy, but I think it's suspicious how he has voted only CDB and Amrun. Yes, it might be me being overly paranoid, but I find it better to be paranoid early than to be too trusting.

Tell me Fegelin, what do you think of the interaction between Amrun and Channel? What do you think of Squilly's votes?

@Jason, still waiting for you to tell us whether you are going to explain your vote or not.

OK, you ask me what exactly do I mean, then you try to justify it in your next paragraph.

It still comes off as you trying to attack 3 players at once with no evidence whatsoever.

Yes, but you can be neither too paranoid or too trusting.

Interaction between the two seems genuine, the shift in CBD's read seems legit even though I still don't get #51. Squilly's votes are indicative not of allegiance but of experience.

That's exactly my point. If it isn't, you're not playing the game. Your next post after rvs was "Amrun is STILL scum," implying I was scum in rvs because "I'm always scum." If you have a legitimate scumread on me, step up to the plate because you're not playing.

I regret having you as an early scum-read now.

I had a scum read on you, when i voted.

But you voted Amrun for an RVS reason...


UNVOTE: LnGrrrR
VOTE: JasonWazza

Fegelein, is there a specific reason you got that townread on channel?

Half of it is gut, the other half is his tone, it seems clear and non-artificial.

[Amrun]

I had a scum read on you, when i voted.

This is bullshit.

[Fegelein]

I had a scum read on you, when i voted.

This is bullshit.

You should join the Jason wagon.

[Amrun]

I haven't decided if its scum bullshit yet and I like the lngrr wagon.

[Toomai]

Vote: JasonWazza

His posts consist as follows:

1. Random vote.
   
2. VOTE: is scum.
   
3. You're inconsistent.
   
4. You're parroting.
   
5. VOTE: is scum. You're inconsistent.
   
6. Filler?
   
7. VOTE: is scum (implied).
   
8. VOTE: is scum.

Give us something real.

[ChannelDelibird]

Jason's a lame vote. LnGrRRarrRRlnRgGGrNNrGrGg is where it's at.

[fferyllt]

Jason's a lame vote. LnGrRRarrRRlnRgGGrNNrGrGg is where it's at.

How so?

[ChannelDelibird]

From what I've seen of Jason, no reason to think he's more likely to behave this way as scum than town. See #51 for actual psychological insight into a KILLER (passive voice to go "naked votes are frowned upon" rather than "I am frowning upon your naked vote" is what you say when you want to avoid owernship of your words).

[ChannelDelibird]

Dammit. "Ownership," obviously. I'm not a monster.

[ChannelDelibird]

And this whole "mysterious voting triangle" is the sort of meaningless coincidence that scum like to point out in lieu of actually scumhunting.

[Amrun]

And this whole "mysterious voting triangle" is the sort of meaningless coincidence that scum like to point out in lieu of actually scumhunting.

I wasn't sure at first but he's literally not even attempting to draw a conclusion from it, so yes.

This is a good wagon. Amrun is pleased.

[JasonWazza]

Lol votes on me are pathetic, your voting me because i used an RVS reason even though i had a scum read?

What horse shit, go find a better wagon, and note that my RVS reason was about Amrun being scum.

[Toomai]

Are you planning on telling us why you have scumread instead of just yammering on that you have one?

[JasonWazza]

Why do it when it shows me scum?

Seriously your vote is bad and you should feel bad.

[LnGrrrR]

From what I've seen of Jason, no reason to think he's more likely to behave this way as scum than town. See #51 for actual psychological insight into a KILLER (passive voice to go "naked votes are frowned upon" rather than "I am frowning upon your naked vote" is what you say when you want to avoid owernship of your words).

Do you really actually believe this? I fully explained what I meant the next post, after I realized some people obviously aren't familiar with the English language.

If I were to say something like, "Lying about your claim at L-2 is frowned upon", would you still think that's the "sign of a KILLER"? (Also, I love the way you made sure to capitalize that word to add extra emphasis to your bullshit "scumhunt".)

Lets just get this straight here:

Squilly votes and unvotes nakedly twice and once with a horrible explanation, and hasn't really posted since then = newbtown, totally excusable

LnGrrrR uses the passive voice = obvscum

I'm glad Im not the only one who sucks at scumhunting his game. Join the club Channel.

[LnGrrrR]

And this whole "mysterious voting triangle" is the sort of meaningless coincidence that scum like to point out in lieu of actually scumhunting.

I wasn't sure at first but he's literally not even attempting to draw a conclusion from it, so yes.

This is a good wagon. Amrun is pleased.

Hmm... Well, what did I say about it when I first brought it up?

Also not a fan of the weird triangle between Amrun, ChannelDelibird and Squilly.

Squilly has only "seriously" voted both of you, you and CDB both voted for each other in RVS, and then you both voted me back to back. Not sure what to make of it, but it feels off to me.

I don't know that it is necessarily "indicative" of anything... As I just said above, not sure what to make of it but it feels off. Just a gut reaction that there's too much synchronicity there.

Again, I don't know what to make of it. Something about it feels off, but Im not sure how. I know, Im totally scum for not having the team down rock solid by the whopping fourth page of this game, and goodness forbid I try to post something that isn't a total lead. I should just be like Jason and say "Hey this guy is scum!" and then I wouldn't be suspicious at all. Or just sheep everyone else's vote like Squilly. Or just lurk like half the people in the thread. Then I'd be obvtown!

Amrun, Channel, if you are town, step up your game. I'm really the main person posting so I know it's hard to find other interactions, but try to stop tunneling anyways and take a look.

[LnGrrrR]

Why do it when it shows me scum?

Seriously your vote is bad and you should feel bad.

If he is obvscum, and this isn't just for pressure, then why aren't you pointing it out to town?

[JasonWazza]

Because if i pointed it out to town, i'd be pointing it out to scum, and if i point it out to scum, they will give less tells surrounding the issue.

[Nexus]

"Er - I don't want to be rude or anything, but - this isn't a great time for me to have a house elf in my bedroom." - Harry Potter

Votecount 1.2:

Squilly (3)-

penguin_alien, LnGrrrR, RachMarie

Amrun (3)-

JasonWazza, oriole, Squilly

LnGrrrR (3)-

Syryana, Amrun, ChannelDelibird,

JasonWazza (2)-

Fegelein, Toomai

Not Voting (2)-

fferyllt, StubbsKVM,

Day 1 will end at 11pm BST on Thursday 5th September 2013. With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

oriole and Syryana have been prodded.

[Syryana]

Howdy folks. Totally forgot about this game. Catching up tomorrow. Or later today, I suppose.

[Fegelein]

From what I've seen of Jason, no reason to think he's more likely to behave this way as scum than town. See #51 for actual psychological insight into a KILLER (passive voice to go "naked votes are frowned upon" rather than "I am frowning upon your naked vote" is what you say when you want to avoid owernship of your words).

Thank you for explaining that to me, but it's not horrific enough as I thought. I still feel Jason is a better vote at the moment as his justification is ridiculous.

And this whole "mysterious voting triangle" is the sort of meaningless coincidence that scum like to point out in lieu of actually scumhunting.

Exactly.

Lol votes on me are pathetic, your voting me because i used an RVS reason even though i had a scum read?

What horse shit, go find a better wagon, and note that my RVS reason was about Amrun being scum.

>discourages voting him
>gives no good reason to unvote him.

Thank you for confirming my read on you. Also it's more likely for your tone to be scum than your tone to be Town here generally because Town wouldn't get so annoyed with only 2 votes on them.

Why do it when it shows me scum?

Seriously your vote is bad and you should feel bad.

Ahh, veiling a read. Can anyone justify as to why Amrun was scummy at that point or is it just as I thought (Jason has no reason)

Again, discrediting his own wagon without saying why. This is scum behaviour.

From what I've seen of Jason, no reason to think he's more likely to behave this way as scum than town. See #51 for actual psychological insight into a KILLER (passive voice to go "naked votes are frowned upon" rather than "I am frowning upon your naked vote" is what you say when you want to avoid owernship of your words).

Do you really actually believe this? I fully explained what I meant the next post, after I realized some people obviously aren't familiar with the English language.

If I were to say something like, "Lying about your claim at L-2 is frowned upon", would you still think that's the "sign of a KILLER"? (Also, I love the way you made sure to capitalize that word to add extra emphasis to your bullshit "scumhunt".)

Lets just get this straight here:

Squilly votes and unvotes nakedly twice and once with a horrible explanation, and hasn't really posted since then = newbtown, totally excusable

LnGrrrR uses the passive voice = obvscum

I'm glad Im not the only one who sucks at scumhunting his game. Join the club Channel.

I don't find using the passive voice to be obvscum, nobody does. But you're flailing a fair amount here. Squilly isn't. Squilly is also brand new and not used to this. You are used to this as you seem to be somewhat competent.

And this whole "mysterious voting triangle" is the sort of meaningless coincidence that scum like to point out in lieu of actually scumhunting.

I wasn't sure at first but he's literally not even attempting to draw a conclusion from it, so yes.

This is a good wagon. Amrun is pleased.

Hmm... Well, what did I say about it when I first brought it up?

Also not a fan of the weird triangle between Amrun, ChannelDelibird and Squilly.

Squilly has only "seriously" voted both of you, you and CDB both voted for each other in RVS, and then you both voted me back to back. Not sure what to make of it, but it feels off to me.

I don't know that it is necessarily "indicative" of anything... As I just said above, not sure what to make of it but it feels off. Just a gut reaction that there's too much synchronicity there.

Again, I don't know what to make of it. Something about it feels off, but Im not sure how. I know, Im totally scum for not having the team down rock solid by the whopping fourth page of this game, and goodness forbid I try to post something that isn't a total lead. I should just be like Jason and say "Hey this guy is scum!" and then I wouldn't be suspicious at all. Or just sheep everyone else's vote like Squilly. Or just lurk like half the people in the thread. Then I'd be obvtown!

Amrun, Channel, if you are town, step up your game. I'm really the main person posting so I know it's hard to find other interactions, but try to stop tunneling anyways and take a look.

The tone here is bad in this post. The first paragraph seems overly condescending.

The second seems to be both a "cult of personality" post and attacking the players play without explaining why.

Because if i pointed it out to town, i'd be pointing it out to scum, and if i point it out to scum, they will give less tells surrounding the issue.

So now you've made your scum-read aware that they are doing something wrong and they're going to fix it. Might as well reveal it now to actually help support your standpoint instead of just being all-talk.

[LnGrrrR]

Because if i pointed it out to town, i'd be pointing it out to scum, and if i point it out to scum, they will give less tells surrounding the issue.

Ok, if you are still building your case to prove to town, understandable.

[LnGrrrR]

@Feg, Squilly isn't flailing because... Squilly hasn't posted anything since post 39. Hard to flail when you just start hardcore lurking for two days straight.

Also, I am somewhat "flailing" because I hate when people use bullshit tells like "passive voice" and things like that. Now, if a person is using meta (is person X only says Y when they are scum and not town), that's different. But in my short time playing, I have found that "grammar" scumslips are the most unreliables ones. (The most often stupid example being "he said town instead of us/we!")

Again, if you look back at Newbie 1368, people thought I was scum in it because of the same posting style because I was pissed off against a BS tell. (And yes, blah blah blah self-meta, I am just pointing out that I really think those things are BS without meta to back it up.)

It is also why I understand Jason's reluctance to share why Amrun is scummy, as he may have enough data to back up his own read but not enough to justify to town. If he hasn't presented a case by mid to late day, it is worth looking into then, but for now I see no harm in letting him continue to work the case if he can. I think he's been vague enough that he hasn't tipped off Amrun to whatever made Jason get scumvibes in the first place.

[ChannelDelibird]

If I were to say something like, "Lying about your claim at L-2 is frowned upon", would you still think that's the "sign of a KILLER"? (Also, I love the way you made sure to capitalize that word to add extra emphasis to your bullshit "scumhunt".)

I capitalised it because I was hamming it up for humourous purposes. It perhaps doesn't come across so well in text.

Fegelein's probably town, I'm doubting my LnGrrrR vote a little but still thinking about it, I would like to hear more from Squilly, penguin_alien and RachMarie.

That's all for now, folks.

[RachMarie]

Sorry all I have been in bed sick

Need to read through some ISOs and see if I can clarify some slots.

I do know that CDB is a slippery one and good at appearing town when scum, but he also is good at being town.

fery has been too quiet

Syr also too quiet

I need more from them to clarify their slots.

Jason is also good at both being scum and town. Not so sold on this wagon on him though.

more later.

oh and welcome Feg we meet again...