Big Brother: HoH Mafia (We have a winner at last)

[Gnomeo]

What don't you like about it? Don't you think that a strong town HoH is capable of nominating scum by himself? And what about the most recent plan I proposed, which gives town 1 nomination, while giving the HoH the other? But then again, it's not like you have an original thought. I mean, you even borrowed the format that you used for your reads list.

Both Minions and Gnomeo are scum. They need more FoS.

I think it's not in town's best interest to use your option. Nor is your new plan. Let's analyze your recent plan with a HoH who is scum.

Nominee is town: HoH chooses a strong townread to go against the nominee, to make sure this person dies. When they flip town, the excuse will be "I was so sure he was scum, I put him against an impossible target"

Nominee is scum: HoH chooses a possible mislynch to go against the nominee, thus making the chance of the scum dying smaller. On any possible flip, the excuse will be, "I wasn't convinced on this guy, so I put one of my own scumreads against him."


Because both of these are actually valid excuses, there is no way to ever get proper reads out of this.

I stand by my own option, each person that wants to be a HoH, announces 2 nominees, and votes are based on those nominees. We'll get to see who nominates who, and we also see who votes which HoH, and we get to see who voted who after the deaths.

This gives us the most information from my pov.

And I copied the player list from the 1st post to put my reads up, so I wouldn't forget anyone. What's your point?

[Minions]

*made before anyone else posted, ie. RVS

[Minions]

Get jake in, the dude has a grasp on things

unvote, vote jake

Oh, and

FOS bulbabitch

~ doug

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

there may be hope for gnomeo afterall. I like post 225 actually

ok while I know every single person probably wants the decision to nominate whoever they want for eviction (myself included), I do think it's better to have the consensus decide. If scum gets the HOH the nominations are completely out of his hands and that is what we want. We do not want scum to hand pick the lychees ever.

-J

p.edit - dashie has the grasp on things lol

[Toogeloo]

Absolutely not, because that takes accountability away from the HoH. The HoH needs to make 1 of the choices, and we as the town need to make the other.

So you think that if everyone was a double FOSer that we couldn't just nominate an HOH who did want one or both of the two nominees up? Everyone being a double voter

is

the accountability. People would be expected to explain their FOS's.

Let me ask you this. Let's assume the HOH puts up the most FOS'd player in the game and someone who has had very little FOS. If the person with less FOS votes gets lynched, and flips town, is it the HOH's fault? No, because everyone else voted out that player. But beyond that, shouldn't the common thought be that the person with the most FOSs should be going home anyways, since that's what the players have wanted? So why even bother giving the HOH some kind of power to nominate a person of their own choosing? Giving it to them just opens a door for chaos to happen if the most FOS'd player doesn't get lynched.

[Titus]

Rach let me explain

Jake and Bulbazak suggested a PL on KBW.

Titus said she will pursue if KBW doesnt become active.

So I asked her what makes KBW different from other players such as yourself who havent been very active.
When she said you were sick, I used a different player.

The double standard isnt between you and Gnomeo, its between KBW and other inactives.

And its a response to Bukbazak misrepping us. Or at least omitting the part where we asked what differentiates a Policy lynch on KBW than one on other inactive players. Because Titus only agreed to such when other players brought it up and even then, her only justification is inactivity.

Yes you know me. Probably


~ Dave

I've said it before and I'll say it again. There is no double standard in a scummy sense. I know KBW's scum game and I can spot it well if KBW posts. See newbie 1396.

Togeloo, let's suppose chaos wins the day. All the voters who jumped off that train would immediately be suspicious if they weren't voting for someone they FoSed.

[Toogeloo]

All the voters who jumped off that train would immediately be suspicious if they weren't voting for someone they FoSed.

Exactly my point, so why bother giving the HOH there own choice, and if he gets his own choice, is even accountable anyways? Putting up two high FOS'd players allows us to see where traffic is being directed when both are put against each other.

[Toogeloo]

Hell, as risky as being a pawn sounds, we could even put up the towniest appearing player against the most FOS'd player in the game to practically assure the most FOS'd player goes every time.

[Toogeloo]

All I'm saying is, I want to avoid some random player going up as opposed to us making sure we evict who we want every single time. Similar to a normal game.

[Titus]

The dual FoSed is a decent tactic but forces any hypothetical cop to out. I'd rather have players be able to FoS their own. That's perfect for lurkers or a very town player who might be convinced the two major wagons are scum driven. Most will likely put up the most FoSed players but some won't. We get information if the HoH announces their selections within 48 hours of the deadline. People then comment on whether or not the nominees are scummy.

[Keybladewielder]

@Jake - Are both of you around? I've only seen Jake post.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

@Jake - Are both of you around? I've only seen Jake post.

dashie can't access the site from work, she posts in the evenings.

dashie has posted the following posts - 47, 50, 58, 60, 62, 161

and all future posts not followed with a -J will be hers also.

-J

[Keybladewielder]

ok, I was just wondering.

[Voidedmafia]

Votecount 1.09:

Toogeloo - Gnomeo
Jake - Bulb, Desp, BBmolla, peace, Minions
bulb - Titus
BBmolla - Toogeloo
black - Toasty

Not Voting - Imperium, blackberry, Jake from Rainbow Dash, RachMarie, keybade

With 14 alive it takes 8 to elect an HoH. Currently Jake from Rainbowdash will be elected HoH, as they have the most votes.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-09-05 12:03:01) or by 11:00 AM on September 5th, 2013

[ToastyToast]

unvote:vote:blackberry

Stop talking about the HoH mechanic and play.

um, so you want him as HOH?

...*facepalm*; I'm removing my vote for bulba, partly because he's talking game mechanics way too much. But that line was also addressing Toog.

[Titus]

All I'm saying is, I want to avoid some random player going up as opposed to us making sure we evict who we want every single time. Similar to a normal game.

That totally limits accountability. Everyone says, the house wanted it. We have BB 15 where the scum players dominate. The HoH must be free to make their own decision. I am done arguing this point as I'm beating a dead horse here.

[Keybladewielder]

As long as i don't have to deal with Amanda i'm happy.

Vote: Jake from Rainbowdash

[Keybladewielder]

So i finally got around to ISO'ing Titus and he is not looking townie at all.

FOS: Titus

[Titus]

So i finally got around to ISO'ing Titus and he is not looking townie at all.

FOS: Titus

What is "not looking townie" to you? Or is this a sheep vote?

[BBmolla]

Yo Minions, experience points to ignoring Bulbazak to be the best option. Pages and pages of arguments will not solve anything, he is dead set on whatever it is he believes in.

[Keybladewielder]

You're trying to be obvious town, but saying obv.town is scum makes you scummy.

[RachMarie]

Who the heck is Amanada?


I am fine with Jake and Dashie as HoH at this point in the game, even though I am not positive yet they are town....


VOTE: Jake and Dashie

[BBmolla]

Rach any scumreads?

[RachMarie]

Workin on that still...

[Titus]

Who the heck is Amanada?


I am fine with Jake and Dashie as HoH at this point in the game, even though I am not positive yet they are town....


VOTE: Jake and Dashie

HoH should go to town players. Everyone should vote their highest town read for HoH IMO. Amanda is a racist who has been dominating the entire house because everyone's afraid to nominate or speak out against her in BB15.

KBW, are you essentially saying that it's so obvious I am town therefore I must be scum????