Mini 1478 ~ Mafia Xenologue (Game Over!)

[Jabberwock]

HEY LLD

GUESS WHAT

IF THE TIMER WORKS THE SAME WAY

THERE IS A THIRD PARTY

YOU STARTED SPECULATING ON IT

AND NOW IT'S ON ME FOR DOING IT

BUGGER OFF

No, posting like this is not therapeutic. But any time you start pushing at me for working out setup speculation when that is what I DO and I would have no reason to speculate about a third party in thread if I were scum (helllooooooo scum QT to make all the schemy conniving business and HUNTING THAT FEATHERED BASTARD DOWN (or whatever that role is since it's a uPick and I assume roles are not related to alignment because ahahaha Gangrel as Town)), you can take your toys and go home. Setup speculation is not scummy. Doing crap like "oh the obvious vig kill was done by a MYSTERIOUS SECOND SCUMTEAM", courtesy of Amrun, THAT is scummy. Trying to puzzle out what would make sense in a 13p game with a timer we're familiar with--how on earth is that scummy?


And yes, Daemon's fence is bothering me as well because he's aware we called it Townish earlier. But I don't see how he would need to sit on it right now as scum when he could just have hammered ProHawk if ProHawk is Town. It will bother me more if ProHawk flips scum because it's a refusal to bus.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, instead of going all rage over Daemon, here's a question for you: is (apparently) not knowing that DDD is dead (and the connection between morph the cat and Oil Tycoons) more likely to come from Town or from scum, given that scum killed DDD?

You don't think I fucking know that? Really? You think I'm not looking at this?

But guess what Wondercritter, if he's town, what are the odds that you/purpkin are both town?

ABSOLUTELY NIL.

Considering that

I'm currently looking at the game as possibly/probably 10:2:1

, and that fuck me I have no idea who is the 1 (2 being Saki+ProHawk), I'll gladly discuss Purpkin et al after we deal with faction scum.

Find me where I have ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever said shit like this.

I fucking DARE you.

Because my position has always been there could be a third party there could not. The numbers could just be a scum mechanic, we don't FUCKING know.

So I'm not bothering to SPECULATE IT.

So how about you either give me some proof of your claim, or take your claim and stick it where the sun don't fucking shine.

I'm so god damn tired of this game, and people happy to live in the god damned status quo. "Oh yeah, I thought Jabberwock and Purpkin were obvious town day 1, so that must carry through for the rest of the game I don't ever need to change my reads nope nope nope I'm the bestest player ever!"

Makes me fucking sick.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, instead of going all rage over Daemon, here's a question for you: is (apparently) not knowing that DDD is dead (and the connection between morph the cat and Oil Tycoons) more likely to come from Town or from scum, given that scum killed DDD?

You don't think I fucking know that? Really? You think I'm not looking at this?

But guess what Wondercritter, if he's town, what are the odds that you/purpkin are both town?

ABSOLUTELY NIL.

Considering that

I'm currently looking at the game as possibly/probably 10:2:1

, and that fuck me I have no idea who is the 1 (2 being Saki+ProHawk), I'll gladly discuss Purpkin et al after we deal with faction scum.

Find me where I have ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever said shit like this.

I fucking DARE you.

Because my position has always been there could be a third party there could not. The numbers could just be a scum mechanic, we don't FUCKING know.

So I'm not bothering to SPECULATE IT.

So how about you either give me some proof of your claim, or take your claim and stick it where the sun don't fucking shine.

I'm so god damn tired of this game, and people happy to live in the god damned status quo. "Oh yeah, I thought Jabberwock and Purpkin were obvious town day 1, so that must carry through for the rest of the game I don't ever need to change my reads nope nope nope I'm the bestest player ever!"

Makes me fucking sick.

[Vi]

~Vote Count XXIX:

Today I feel... purposeful.

ProHawk (4) ~ morph the cat, morph the cat, Purpkin, Jabberwock
Andrius (1) ~ DTMaster, Saki
morph the cat (1) ~ ProHawk

Not Voting:

Andrius, Daemon385, Lady Lambdadelta,

(Jabberwock)

-ProHawk is at L-1!

--With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

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[Jabberwock]

You didn't use the words "third party", but you called us "scum of some flavor" for slowing the Day down. You're accusing our slot of being tied to the timer. It's not a crime to consider the possibility of 10:2:1 when we've seen such a third party situation in the previous game and the timer is increasing in a similar manner afaict (haven't checked in a while). It might just be a scum mechanic, sure--but speculating on this is NOT scummy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You didn't use the words "third party", but you called us "scum of some flavor" for slowing the Day down. You're accusing our slot of being tied to the timer. It's not a crime to consider the possibility of 10:2:1 when we've seen such a third party situation in the previous game and the timer is increasing in a similar manner afaict (haven't checked in a while). It might just be a scum mechanic, sure--but speculating on this is NOT scummy.

Keep telling yourself that.

[ProHawk]

People do have lives. Chillax LLD.

I'm so god damn tired of this game, and people happy to live in the god damned status quo. "Oh yeah, I thought Jabberwock and Purpkin were obvious town day 1, so that must carry through for the rest of the game I don't ever need to change my reads nope nope nope I'm the bestest player ever!"

Makes me fucking sick.

Before I claim, I would like to +1 this a gazillion times. Although personally I would replace Purpkin with MorphTheCat... but thats just me.

I am Micaiah. I am a type of modified body-guard. I get to protect multiple targets/night based on the total number of players remaining. I don't really have a lot of time to delve into the gritty details of what Vi puts into the roles and can later if you want, but I protected

Jabberwock & DTM N1
Jabberwock & Purpkin N2

Feel free to hammer whenever, but Wocky and Morphy are scum and need to die. Thx.

[ProHawk]

But I don't see how he would need to sit on it right now as scum when he could just have hammered ProHawk if ProHawk is Town.

Ever think of him taking heat for hammering early? You with all of your white-holy-crusade against ending the day early surely would have thought him scum for doing-so amirite? Of course you wouldn't tho.

Oh yeah, my third scum-read is also Deamon.

[morph the cat]

The following is edited slightly to not have vi modkill me for quoting, but it's close enough:

Syr: Why the hell would he protect DTM night one?
Nacho: Make him elaborate and give me the fucking details NOW, i'll handle the rest when i'm home
Syr: And by details we mean ability name, uses, synergy, everything down to how many licks it takes for his character to get to the center of a tootsie pop.

[Daemon385]

Or maybe I'm sitting on this issue to give you the benefit of the doubt. That I'm not ready to lynch you cause I'm not 100% certain your scum.

More info would help in deciding this though. Would your ability tell you if someone was attacked could be something.

[morph the cat]

Nacho also adds that DTM now looks worse than daemon, because that slip was town as fuck and is something nacho would expect from town-daemon given his level of activity.

[morph the cat]

I want you two buddying the fuck up to us today because we got killed last night and we are gonna die during the end of the day. But I seem to have this extremely nasty habit of dying N1 when you're scum and I am just a teensy tiny bit paranoid you killed me . Luckily, we have this beyond the grave ability that we're gonna use to protect you if you dance with us but otherwise we're protecting morph the cat and I really don't want to give them my beautiful protection unless they really, REALLY deserve it.

Also why would you protect jabberwocky when Oil Tycoons, confirmed town, already claimed a doctor on them?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm sorry, did you just claim MICAIAH?

Did you, uh, read the first game before you played?

[Purpkin]

Quit the fighting and just freaking hammer already, jesus

[Lady Lambdadelta]

^ scum claim

[Saki]

Hi guys
wtf happened

[Jabberwock]

Empire here, I finally got current on the game. Nacho/Syryana, a couple of questions for you guys:

1) How confident are you in Andrius-town? Has there ever been a game in at least somewhat recent memory where you misread him when he was scum?
2) How likely do you think a Saki-DTMaster scum pair is? I keep thinking back to their interaction early Day 2 when DTM claimed to have roleblocked Saki and that makes me think they aren't scum together.

[morph the cat]

"Hi empire, i'm a tad busy right now but if you have a little time on your hands, I'd love to chat with you in a bit." says the cheesewiz.

[Jabberwock]

Sure, barring something weird, I should actually be around all of today.

[morph the cat]

Shush saki, the townies are talking.

Nacho to Empire, pt1:

Nacho is super confident in andy-town. Strategy mafia was his best scum game to date, and when nacho was getting serious in that game, his biggest scumread was andy. Nacho has never called andy wrong yet, and he feels he's still 100% correct this time as well.

Nacho is confident in sakiscum and he has ~reasons~ for finding DTM's RB claim scummy. He thinks it could just as easily be a gambit and that we should not rule out the idea of saki and dtm being scum together. He wants to note the weird behavior by saki around the claim, and DTM's tendency towards strange gambits in general/

[Jabberwock]

I just had the most awesome Italian food ever. Again, blame Vi if I pass out before I say anything coherent.

Empire and I are in agreement that Daemon Townslipped. I'm fine with getting Hawkaiah lynched, those Night actions make no sense. Protecting DTM on N1 when there were people like Oil Tycoons and Purpkin around, and then protecting us N2 when Oil Tycoons had made explicit they were likely to protect us--not buying it. Also not buying a bodyguard in a game with Oil Tycoons's role, and not buying multiple targets.

FWIW, LLD complaining that someone claimed Micaiah is kind of silly, as there is no reason he wouldn't pick her (she's pretty (her bird is prettier) and she kicks ass (her bird kicks more ass)); it's not a Choose Your Side game.


Aaand I think I am about to pass out from sheer food bliss. Please send help.

[Jabberwock]

Hey ProHawk. What made you think we were Town on N2?

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