Open 521: Jungle Republic (Alright. We'll call it a draw)

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Well I can't speak for any other player here.

Also
@mod, vote count?

[Lord Mhork]

Vote Count 1.10

BOOMSHAKALAKA (0)
Gnomeo (0)
Klick (1) Yggdra Union
Smoker (0)
theaceofspades (0)
ferretlover (2) Klick, Om of the Nom
1baldeagle1 (1) BOOMSHAKALAKA
TrumpetKing (0)
KrazyEyeKilla7 (0)
Yggdra Union (0)
Om of the Nom (0)
TheFuzzyLogic99 (6) Gnomeo, theaceofspades, TrumpetKing, KrazyEyeKilla7, 1baldeagle1, ferretlover

L-1

Not Voting:

Smoker, TheFuzzyLogic99

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

V/LA-

Night falls in (expired on 2013-09-08 12:30:00)

Replacing Smoker who never even posted. Still looking.

[ferretlover]

You contradicted yourself again.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Ferret- Accusation without proof is meaningless. I could claim that you contradicted yourself. But than again those would just be words.

[ferretlover]

Before you said you didn't vote Klick because of the self vote, post #224 contradicts that.

[Yggdra Union]

My votes had nothing to do with whether or not I was going to get mod killed or not .

Followed by...

I change my mind bc i was not sure the evidence I was using against Klick was legal or not.

VOTE: fuzzy noob card+lie+lie+lie+contradiction+contradiction+shit. 'nuff said.

Woah woah woah. What an opportunistic vote...

Don't claim yet fuzzy.

Why put him at L-1 then say "Don't claim yet"?

Doesn't makes sense.

You contradicted yourself again.

Oh do quote where fuzzy made contradictions. Instead of just saying "oh shit contradictions hahaha vote L-1 but don't claim"

-Aegina

[Yggdra Union]

Also... Don't give me the "NO UNTIL SOMEONE CLAIMS INTENT" reason.

It'd be alot more genuine if the claim was said before the intent because of the willingness of claim (That's with my experience, anyways)

-Aegina

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

thats sound like a somewhat reasonable answers......Thank. It still does not make total sense since bald eagle and om only mention the fact they thought I scum bc I voted bc of Klicks self vote . Honestly thats all i wanted a reasonable answers

That can be read as "I actually voted for klick because of self vote"
Or
"They think I'm scum because they think I voted for klick because of self vote"

Honestly, the former seems a lot more likely.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

In my defense

Im sure that there are many among you, especially the scum , want me to put up my hands and let myself to be lynch. I like the tell the scum hiding out among the townies that they will not lynch this innocent townie that easily. If they want to lynch me they better be ready to put a fight. I hope that there are some amongst you can see my innocence and can see that my words and action have been twisted in order to get a quick and easy lynch. I just ask that you will forget about your presuppose notion of my guilt and read this with at least a half open mind.

I am going to address the biggest accusation against me which is the vote and unvote of Klick. I admit on the surface my action seem scummy. Even I can see that now even if I might of not seen it at that point in time. The thing is that everything is not always as it appears.

My rational for voting for Klick was that he was hiding out and waiting for the townies to happily lynch each other. This a technique I have seen used many time before. There was only one problem with notion that was pointed out to me. This strategies might works well in a town verse scum scenario but is a terrible idea for a two scum setup as someone pointed out . When I played Mafia I usually play a the one town one scum set up. I only played a two scum set up once and I got frustrated and made it easy for the scum to lynch me early in the game. I usually played a basic set up with some variations. My reason for voting for Klick was very faulty and based on wrong notions. When it was pointed out in Om that I was misguide I reconsidered my vote.

As far as the first unvote honestly I was far more concern with using evidence that was illegal which I saw much more scummy than voting and unvoting. The notion that I was doing something wrong played very highly in the decision. I always try to do what is right. I guess its a pretty stupid thing to do in a game based on lies and twisting people words. I did not allow the fact that I might get mod killed effect my decision to unvote Klickk at all.

Oh, Sorry Guys I honest did not know what I did was illegal. There are a bunch of rules ( feels like a zillion) here at this site . I did read them all but there so hard to remember them all especially with the memory problem I have. If you want to kick me out of the game for breaking the rules thats fine. I wil understand/

Bc I based my evidence on something thats not allowed on this site. i will unvote Klick. It is the right thing to do. I hope you do not take this as evidence for or against me being scummy

Unvote klickj

As far as the question Gnomeo asked I did answer it. I have not ignored him. I said it was not relevant to the game in my opinion , I am sticking to that answer.

I will be AFK all day. Real life beacons,

If you read the note you wil notice I was concern about me unvoting based on the fact I believed my facts were invalid was my only concerned gamewise. Being Mod killed is only a minor part of the letter and took up one sentenced. To make it more than that is giving it far more importance than it deserves. Doing so is just making a mole hill out of an anthill.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Ferret that is nonsense bc there was a whole conversation on me voting on Klick self vote and than an huge explanation on why I did. I added it was not the whole reason why but it was the icing on the cake. I felt it made him look guiltier than before. So please do not twist my words and if you do please learn to be better at it

[theaceofspades]

i don't think there is much to say.....

I think fuzzy should claim. as nobody else seems remotely scummy, and we need to move on

[Om of the Nom]

Fuzzy, let me ask you this.

What do you think the rationale would be behind Klick self-voting as scum as a way of suicide when it was not confirmed that he would have been lynched, let alone very early in Day 1?

[ferretlover]

You said you unvoted because you were afraid of the facts being invalid and illegal, but you subsequently stated that you were afraid of a modkill, which you said that you weren't. Please explain with real logic.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Rethinking it Im not sure

but I can tell you at the time I thought he panicked and let the pressure of the accusations got to him. I thought he was scum that knew he was caught. The evidence looked pretty solid or atleast good enough to get him lynched. He was getting votes and it seem like there was going to be a strong wagon.

[Om of the Nom]

He was getting votes and it seem like there was going to be a strong wagon.

Why was this a factor in your decision?

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Ferret... I said that I knew I broke the rules and if the mod thought it was the right thing I was okay with Mhork taking me out of the game for breaking the rules. Once again I was trying to do the right thing. This seems to fit my Mo doesnt it? I admit I did something wrong and acknowledge that i said be punished for that violation. I thought using info that was illegal or invalid was wrong so I unvoted. I dont know about you but these are not signs of scum .However I never said I was afraid of a mod kill. If you read the post it is obvious I accepting of my fate by the mod and willing to accept it. Doesnt seem like I am afraid at all.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Im not quite understanding your question....

I going to try to answer it the best i can. Those were not factors in my votes. I thought that he felt those things so he self voted.That there was the evidence there for for a lynch and there was a strong wagon going. Rereading my answer I can tell I was not clear that I thinking he believed those things/ Hope that cleared things up

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Edit
I was thinking that he believed......

[TrumpetKing]

He was getting votes and it seem like there was going to be a strong wagon.

Why was this a factor in your decision?

I'm on the same boat as Om here, and it seems you don't understand the question. Why did you vote for him because it seemed like there was going to be a strong wagon? That just seems scummy by itself, and mixed with everything else you say, I'm rather sure you're a flailing werewolf or scum.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

but I can tell you at the time I thought he panicked and let the pressure of the accusations got to him. I thought he was scum that knew he was caught. The evidence looked pretty solid or atleast good enough to get him lynched. He was getting votes and it seem like there was going to be a strong wagon

.

this was one continuous thought of how I believed he felt and thought . I thought he was scum that knew he was caught refers to the fact I thought he believed that
he was busted and he believed his scum days were done . I admit this is pretty awkward way of stating that.. In the following related post I try to clarify that point.

The fact is that I never based my vote on the wagon strength.

Im not quite understanding your question....

I going to try to answer it the best i can. Those were not factors in my votes. I thought that he felt those things so he self voted.That there was the evidence there for for a lynch and there was a strong wagon going. Rereading my answer I can tell I was not clear that I thinking he believed those things/ Hope that cleared things up

this was me clarifying I that I was stating about the post above being about how I perceived his situation


I was confused by the question bc I was being asked to talk about something I did not use as a part of my voting decison

[TheFuzzylogic99]

To make it simple I believed that he felt panicked , scared bc of the pressure. he believed he had been busted , and he felt he was going to be wagoned bc of the evidence. He believed he was going to be lynched and there was nothing he could do about it. Bc of these things he self voted.

[Om of the Nom]

Can everyone get off Fuzzy now? He's probably town.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

I will when he makes logical sense and doesn't have to backtrack on everything he says. he's flailing big time

[Om of the Nom]

I will when he makes logical sense and doesn't have to backtrack on everything he says. he's flailing big time

Most of his actions can be explained when you realise he's quite obviously not the best at English and doesn't have all the right ideas about mafia.
People are taking advantage of his sub-par explaining skills (no offense, fuzzy).
When you look past all that, he's being quite sincere in his actions and words, therefore he's town.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Exactly Nom.....You hit it on the spot. Im ADD so I often have a million ideas in my bouncing head at once but editing those ideas getting those ideas on the page where people understand them can be a struggle at times. I dont know if Im good at English or not but at times I can get very sloppy in my writing.And I am not offended at all. OM I know that its something I struggle with