Mini 1482: Castle - A Mafia Murder So Vile (GAME OVER)

[macmollie]

I don't know about Tater. Om I just don't know and don't really like, and Mara has just seemed apathetic for the most part. In the few posts she did care and made I thought I got town vibes. But I'm not that good at reading Mara anyway.

I'm thinking slimer over Tater though because I don't think Tater makes much sense with the other two (again thinking as if we have the two flips, I know, but I'm feeling like they're both confscum so can't help it). however, slimer said something about wanting to go see who Lynx suspected, which is weird given Lynx actually suspected slimer and it makes me doubt that he's scum.

I don't know how you see Desp town. If he's town he's really really apathetic about the game - he doesn't do anything, he sheeps people, his cases are really weak.. I don't think I can see that as town. Town-Desp I had seen was active, constantly trying to read people.. basically the exact opposite of what I'm seeing here.

I had desp as scum right off the bat and it is a rhythm thing that I can't even begin to explain. mac had him as strong town earlier but that might be fading. ugh, it his reach outs that have me wondering if he is town. but I also wonder if my earlier rhytm/gut read is more accurate. which sucks cos that will be the only way I will be able to read when he's scum and it isn't always reliable. and god forbid if ever he figured out where it is he is falling out of step.

@ om

come talk to me hon. I have been begging for y'all's attention all game what's up.

[penguin_alien]

As far as re-evaluting Wisdom goes, he's not really responding to any points that I'm making, so he's just repeating the same poor arguments over and over. Previous Wisdom tunnels I've witnessed have involved him responding more to other people's points, and I'm not getting that from him here.

How is Wisdom not responding more to other people's points in this game? I don't get it.

The straight-up numbers that were in play at the end of Day One. It's purely objective and he was just ignoring any numbers that didn't support his theory.

So Mantis and Wisdom are neighbors. Mantis claimed first as Richard Castle, and Wisdom claimed second as Alexis Castle. This is so blatantly town-town character-wise, I'm not sure why they'd be neighbors and not masons. (Richard and Martha, OTOH...) Which is the only thing making me uneasy: if Wisdom fake-claimed something he figured would look super-town with Mantis's claim.

wow you are defending Mantis hard based on his flavor/claim

and you still have Wisdom as possible scum after his claim (Alexis Castle), but Mantis as town

/in ITT MACMOLLIE PRESENT: THE COPING WITH WISDOM CLUB

OK, based on the game macmollie cited, I guess it's feasible. I'm just not inclined to buy that Rick and Alexis are neighbors, not masons, given their super-functional father-daughter relationship, which makes me think something's hinky.

[macmollie]

We only gave him a chance to see if he could work with other people and he's failed to do so.

~Om

erm, when exactly did you give him time

[Malakittens]

{flavor
Mornin}

2.26

with eleven alive it will take six to lynch.

*macmollie -
*Huntress -
*Sweet Pertayter -
*thenewearth -
*Mantisdreamz - macmollie, Sweet Pertayter [2]
*Wisdom - Desperado [1]
*Serrapaladin -
*Desperado - Serrapaladin [1]
*Bert -
*Natirasha - penguin_alien [1]
*penguin_alien - Wisdom, Mantisdreamz, Natirasha [3]

Not Voting [2]: thenewearth, Huntress, bert

Chapter 2 Ends..

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2013-09-05 03:00:00)

(There are no hints/clues in this flavor or in any flavor of the vote counts or death scenes. It's for entertainment purposes.)

[Sweet Pertayter]

@ om

come talk to me hon. I have been begging for y'all's attention all game what's up.

Can I just have a quick summary of all your scumreads before we talk?

~Om

PEDIT: When we unvoted him despite all the arguments we had with him.

[Bert]

I had desp as scum right off the bat and it is a rhythm thing that I can't even begin to explain. mac had him as strong town earlier but that might be fading. ugh, it his reach outs that have me wondering if he is town. but I also wonder if my earlier rhytm/gut read is more accurate. which sucks cos that will be the only way I will be able to read when he's scum and it isn't always reliable. and god forbid if ever he figured out where it is he is falling out of step.

What do you mean rhythm? How do I look for that, or is that a secret? Desp is really hard to read, I've already said that multiple times

I'm just trusting a weird gut feeling and what you all are saying about his old scum games

[macmollie]

@ om

come talk to me hon. I have been begging for y'all's attention all game what's up.

Can I just have a quick summary of all your scumreads before we talk?

~Om

PEDIT: When we unvoted him despite all the arguments we had with him.

om I am still working them out, fighting off the paranoia as best I can.

the tweaks on my scumdar are weak except for what I felt at the beginning so I am trying to town hunt and play by using poe. this is what I have:

strong town least likely to get weird on:

bert
wis

leaning hard as town:

nats
you guys

the other reads are in various stages of mushiness. I am still not comfortable with mantis, I wonder about desp but want to get mac's input on him to see if anything has changed. penny just looks town to me but I don't like the not claiming part. especially since she believes so strongly of mantis's claim or it might really just be she is a flavour junkie like I can sometimes be.

the desp and penny reads are in the unsure cos mostly an earlier interaction reminded me of ap and I in the temple game and it has to do with being familiar with a player that isn't reflected in the games or the history you have with both of them. I mean jesus christ ap and I were flirting with each other when we could be bothered to interact and he is gay. it is a weak suspicion but there might be something to it so I dunno.

we will see what the replacements do but I mac and I both are in total agreement about tne being scum.

I am not thrilled at all with sera. what do you think of him? in the micros game you and mara spotted him pretty quickly and I keep asking you guys about him but y'all aren't answering me.

[macmollie]

I had desp as scum right off the bat and it is a rhythm thing that I can't even begin to explain. mac had him as strong town earlier but that might be fading. ugh, it his reach outs that have me wondering if he is town. but I also wonder if my earlier rhytm/gut read is more accurate. which sucks cos that will be the only way I will be able to read when he's scum and it isn't always reliable. and god forbid if ever he figured out where it is he is falling out of step.

What do you mean rhythm? How do I look for that, or is that a secret? Desp is really hard to read, I've already said that multiple times

I'm just trusting a weird gut feeling and what you all are saying about his old scum games

it isn't a seekrit but it will be easier to show you what I mean if we are in a hydra. it is best used on d1 (at least for me) before scum gets a chance to settle into a groove and it can really rattle them. you shake 1 scum out and the rest are likely to tumble out but you can't do it effectively when you are playing the game on the defensive which we were. nacho gets it and mac gets it on an intuitive level I think even tho we disagreed about desp earlier in the game.

[Sweet Pertayter]

I can agree with Bert and Nats as strong townreads. I feel pretty much the same way about penguin (except I'm kinda indifferent on the whole claiming fiasco).
Mantis is probably my biggest scumread right now, followed by Serra. I'm just not getting good vibes from Mantis anymore and I haven't really been getting many good vibes since ED1.
Serra I was townreading in D1 with kinda little reason (never really looked at him properly I just kinda got decent vibes) but lately with his continued lack of input and the fact that it took him so long to even give an excuse as to why he's giving little input is really bugging me and I don't like it.
Desp I really just cannot figure out. He sounds town but then I get bad vibes. I think I'm reading him as town because of the apathy as it seems like he's just apathetic town (like most of us) but then maybe my bad vibes are just paranoia? What do you think about his apathy?
I can kinda agree with a TNE read. I mean I haven't really gotten bad vibes but I haven't gotten good vibes either so I'm not disagreeing with it.
Wisdom I really just want dead regardless of alignment, but I can see him flipping scum so it's even more ok.

Also flirting with AP is nothing, I'm totes a ladies man despite being gay ;) Didn't you see Mara and Mala basically fighting over me that one time? But seriously I don't understand exactly what you're trying to say with that. Maybe you could link the relevant examples?

~Om

[macmollie]

I can agree with Bert and Nats as strong townreads. I feel pretty much the same way about penguin (except I'm kinda indifferent on the whole claiming fiasco).
Mantis is probably my biggest scumread right now, followed by Serra. I'm just not getting good vibes from Mantis anymore and I haven't really been getting many good vibes since ED1.

I think what freaks me out the most about mantis is her saying I was coasting on town when I gave 3 ones. mantis knows that the speed I can get my reads but I am not going to lie, I have been mislynching her of late cos she is not sending out that clear loud town signal that I need from her.

Serra I was townreading in D1 with kinda little reason (never really looked at him properly I just kinda got decent vibes) but lately with his continued lack of input and the fact that it took him so long to even give an excuse as to why he's giving little input is really bugging me and I don't like it.

ditto on sera

Desp I really just cannot figure out.

He sounds town but then I get bad vibes

. I think I'm reading him as town because of the apathy as it seems like he's just apathetic town (like most of us) but then maybe my bad vibes are just paranoia? What do you think about his apathy?

THAT IS IT. and I don't know why except it is about that time when I start to get weird with people whom I have played a lot of games with. he has dropped down to an apathetic state but yeah this game had a slump and we all kind of lost steam. I am not sure what we can do to rope him in if he is town.

I can kinda agree with a TNE read. I mean I haven't really gotten bad vibes but I haven't gotten good vibes either so I'm not disagreeing with it.

Wisdom I really just want dead regardless of alignment, but I can see him flipping scum so it's even more ok.

Also flirting with AP is nothing, I'm totes a ladies man despite being gay Didn't you see Mara and Mala basically fighting over me that one time? But seriously I don't understand exactly what you're trying to say with that. Maybe you could link the relevant examples?

~Om

I can but I am not sure you would see what I mean. I call it scum theatre and it is probably why I tend to shy away from interacting with my scummates cos there are only a few people I can comfortably pull it off with. it has to do with familiarity and history and again, not reliable without flips.

[Desperado]

THAT IS IT. and I don't know why except it is about that time when I start to get weird with people whom I have played a lot of games with. he has dropped down to an apathetic state but yeah this game had a slump and we all kind of lost steam. I am not sure what we can do to rope him in if he is town.

You can realize that Wisdom's scumread on me is based on his "experience" with me, which amounts to one day of Pokemon Nuzlocke before it got abandoned, despite the fact that Wisdom has also said

in this game

that a single game of experience is not enough to constitute a reliable meta read. I've mentioned this multiple times and he continues ignoring it and reiterating how "This doesn't feel like the town-Desp I know" when he, by his own admission, has no reasonable justification for saying it.

I think Wisdom is arrogant scum who saw an opportunity to setup multiple lynches based on the end of day one but, now that neither of them drew results, he's falling back on weak ass reads ("This isn't town-Desp," "Penguin is scum because she should know I'm town by now," "Slimer lurks"????) that don't stand up to even the slightest bit of scrutiny (which is why he keeps ignoring me when I try to scrutinize, because he knows his meta read on me is bullshit that can't be defended).

[Sweet Pertayter]

EBWOP: I'll shut up more often if that helps you all too

Think I've been more harm than help tbh, don't lie

This would help a bit, yeah. I am way past over gamed, and it doesn't help when I can't get the info I need in the initial run-through because of the high fluff content and arguments that are going on in thread

I'll maybe delve into the Wisdom/Mollie fight, but I don't think it's at all useful and I feel like both of them are town atm.

I'm pretty Cozy on Penguin right now

we are making it pretty obvious as to who's posting what with Om's signing and wotnot (and I would too though it's only necessary for one hydra head to sign their post) so the fact that she isn't trying to analyze the post to the extent of, figuring out who the authors are when reads are being talked about/when votes are being placed down is pretty suspicious.

I convinced Om to give Wisdom some time because we have been dissonant on him for the majority of the game. my personal read on him as changed quite a bit and I'm thinking his stubborness was playing against him

My reads have, for the most part been the same because of the fact that I havn't really analyzed anything new, nor have I re-analyzed any of the older information

if everyone is done fucking around, I'll try and get back into this game and give you guys relevant information

[Huntress]

Hi!

I was hoping I could do a quick catch-up by reading recent posts and a few ISOs but that's not working for me so I'm going to have to revert to my usual method of reading absolutely everything, despite the length. Meanwhile, would those voting for Penguin, or intending to do so, give me a run-down of the case against her please? Or linking to a post where you've already done so would be fine too. Because reading her ISO out of context doesn't give me a scum vibe there.

[Bert]

*runs into the thread*

Vote: Serrapaladin

*votes Serra for being AWOL and letting us fight it out, vote's not leaving until I'm satisfied with you again, if ever*

*pinky promises to not be annoyingly spammy for the foreseeable future*

*runs out and hopes discussion resumes sometime soon*

[Natirasha]

Kill P_A. He thinks I'm scum. This is important.

[Mantisdreamz]

i feel like we really had scum all nicely lined up on the shelf (in desp, peng, slimer or tater) and a few just came in and whacked them off..

[Wisdom]

Why do I not like the above post?

[Bert]

Why do I not like the above post?

You're supposed to. He just echoed your reads of who the scum are, save for tater??

[Natirasha]

Bert, vote Penguin again.

Trust me.

[Bert]

Kill P_A. He thinks I'm scum. This is important.

a person thinks you're scum = he should be killed?

[Bert]

Bert, vote Penguin again.

Trust me.

Why should I trust you? I don't trust you enough to trust you yet

I'm not THAT gullible

Original Roll String: 1d2 (STATIC)

1 2-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

VOTE: Penguin_Alien

You better not be wrong on this, Wisdom.

Especially when you pretty much sheeped Wisdom just like I did. And now you're the one trying to convince me to put my vote back

[Wisdom]

Why do I not like the above post?

You're supposed to. He just echoed your reads of who the scum are, save for tater??

No, tater is also part of my reads. I had said it's penguin/Desp and one of {slimer/Tater}.
I don't like her post though. Nobody trusts my reads so much.

[Bert]

Maybe she has been brainwashed because you've been warping our minds and working on each of us to get us to believe Desp, Peng, and Slimer/Tater are the scum

lmao

and you are surprised now that someone just posted a carbon copy of your reads

[Natirasha]

Alright, Bert. Let me settle. I have a bunch of games right now and this one is on the backburner. I think it's mostly solved, but I'm letting others do the legwork.

I trust Wisdom right now.

[Bert]

Kay.

I trust Wisdom to be town

unless we start hitting town after town and he stays alive