Open 521: Jungle Republic (Alright. We'll call it a draw)

[TheFuzzylogic99]

bouncing in my head*

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

I'm not taking advantage of any noob behavior or lack of grammar. I do not like his constant push/pull attitude at klick. If you were sure someone is scum, you wouldn't take your vote off for a potential modkill...unless your death would thin out your team's already small numbers.

As for ^
I have ADD as well but you don't see me scrambling to make sense in every post I write

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Add on: Fuzzy isn't a noob so I'm sure he is familiar with the game

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@ Krazey -Ok explain this to me so I understand.

Are you saying that I unvoted Klick so that the Mhark would not Mod Kill me? This is what I think I am hearing you say. I want to make sure I understand you correctly. Also what do you mean by push/ pull. I don't quite get what you are saying here.

[Om of the Nom]

ADHD and proud over here :)

Fuzzy is new to this site. He's unaware of the customs here and it makes sense that he would be scared of a modkill regardless of alignment. He probably doesn't want to get a bad rep on-site already and was worried that might have happened. The shock caused him to unvote because he probably thought he was going to die anyway, rendering his vote useless due to its soon-to-be removal.

Tell me please why taking a vote off at the idea of a potential modkill indicates any scum intent at all. Your push is actually terribly thought out, my friend.

[Om of the Nom]

@Mod: Klick needs to be prodded

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

I'm not pushing...I'm explaining.

I guess one could argue that Klick posted a few things ( non informative and not useful) early on and than disappeared.

He could be a scum hiding out but I think that it is still a little early in the game to really say. Personally I would like to wait a bit longer to see what happens. we still have a while till day one is over, I don't necessarily think we need to get a quick kill. I think we should hold off and try to get as much feed on each other as we can

. I do find it odd that Klick is getting votes without explanation. I am not sure if they are RV or not

Followed by...

Vote Klick

Heres why

1) He been smudging the truth. While he prob has been busy ( I read him admitting this in post in another game he is in) he still has manage to post several times in the Fire and Ice game. He has pretty much been MIA for this game
2)

when he does post he add nothing to the conversation. He just post enough not to get kicked out

. In the other game it seems like he giving atleast a pretty decent response to whats going on
3) He doesnt seem al that interested in whats going on in this game. While this could be just because its early in the game or he feels the game is slow to me it feels like he just hiding out. Being busy is good excuse since many people would not look to see if he has been active on the other forum.

He is giving all the signs of a scum who is hiding out waiting for the townies to lynch each

Krazey- For some reason I cant shake the feeling that scummy.

Spade- You seemed to trying hard to make a case against me with very little evidence and some really bad logic

Isn't that EXACTLY what you did for a majority of the start? Anywho, a vote based on inactivity and hypocrisy.

Oh, Sorry Guys I honest did not know what I did was illegal. There are a bunch of rules ( feels like a zillion) here at this site . I did read them all but there so hard to remember them all especially with the memory problem I have. If you want to kick me out of the game for breaking the rules thats fine. I wil understand/

Bc I based my evidence on something thats not allowed on this site. i will unvote Klick. It is the right thing to do. I hope you do not take this as evidence for or against me being scummy

Unvote klickj

As far as the question Gnomeo asked I did answer it. I have not ignored him. I said it was not relevant to the game in my opinion , I am sticking to that answer.

I will be AFK all day. Real life beacons,

Unvoting because a rule was broken, not because of a town-read

From the understanding of the rules all the evidence I stated is valid except the first point, Taking in that and the fact Klick has tried voting for himself I think it is reasonable to find him scummy.

Vote Klick

What is V/LA - is that vacation and leave of absence ?????

And now that you weren't mod-killed, you vote again

Sorry Om but Im not pushing a vote based on his suicide vote( This action was just the icing on the cake.) Remember I voted for him but retracted bc I accidentally broke a rule. I felt at the time and still do that retracting my vote till I got a response from the mod was the right thing to do. I did not want to base my votes on anything i was not suppose to. After i got an okay from the mod I reevaluated the evidence that was okay to use and made a decision to stick with the decisions to vote for Klick. His vote only reinforced my decision that I already made. I would of voted for him whether he voted for himself or not.

Not my last post was a response to a question Trumpet asked. I thought trumpet was asking about a time I saw a goon or werewolf suicide. I might of misunderstood his question.Anyways I gave an example of a time when this happened. I did humbly admit and still do that townies do suicide to. I never experience this happening but based on experiences at this site it has happened. I hope that I will get the same courtesy.

@Krazey- LOL- You and Gnomeo kept pushing about my experience so I answered it. Its not rambling

Klick's reaction has given me a bit more of a townie vibe off of him. Because my vote was intended mostly for pressure for him to wake up (I did understand Fuzzy's points, which did contribute, as well as my own point, but the vote was more to apply pressure), I'm going to UNVOTE: Klick.

Fuzzy is my next top suspect, for reasons I've already stated, and the fact he thought self voting was scummy. However this could mean he's a noob on the other site he's on as well, but it may not be. I'm willing to support a Fuzzy case right now. Fuzzy, if it's such a problem to describe your experience on another site, that's scummy as well, because it seems like you don't want to be caught in your scummy act. Quit trying to pull the noob card and attempt to defend yourself.
VOTE: TheFuzzylogic99

Review edit: You've basically just said you've had a bit of experience. Yeah, you're pinging me more with that. Have fun pretending to be noob.

wait...

After i got an okay from the mod I reevaluated the evidence that was okay to use and made a decision to stick with the decisions to vote for Klick. His vote only reinforced my decision that I already made. I would of voted for him whether he voted for himself or not.

so you admitted to retracting a vote and then revoting for no solid reasoning other than the option of a modkill

What can i say....I was asked a question and I answered it. You pushed for me to answer Gnomeo question and I did. Theres nothing more to it. Its is a bit annoying that I was asked a question and when I finally answered it I get attacked for doing so. Hey if you attack me for answering a question have fun.

Hers the facts

Kick has been posting in other games but not here.

He has been posting relevant info in other games an only came here to make non relevant post and RV

He seems very disinterested in the game and any scum hunting. ( Note if he is scum there is no real need to scum hunt. He can just wait for us townie to lunch each other)

all these activities points to a scum hiding out

I think it is not unreasonable for Klick to convince us why we should find his action scummy

Klick hasn't said anything scummy that I can see. The only basis of these votes is inactivity.

Hmm.. did not mean to skim the rules. Really hoping I dont get Mod killed.

I think I played 1 multi scum game but I mange to get myself killed early so I dont have much experience with those. I would assume that hiding out would be still a relevant strategy however you might be right. I think I wll rethink this notion. I have played mainly 1 scum team and townies.

I havent seen him post anything all that relevant, so for now I will disagree with you that pointI did not find the reaction test all that useful and it came off to me as a RV..As far as the ferret wagon I do not see the rationale of that. I have not seen any evidence for ferret being Scum . Honestly I am reading him as a townie/.

For now

unvote Klick

And again, because there's a potential mod-kill, you back off

No questions asked,
VOTE: Fuzzy

You are so back-and-forth on this, it's making me dizzy. You strike me as the scum who's trying to draw attention away from yourself, so you picked Klick. And yes, he could be scum for being inactive on this thread. But there's no concrete evidence to back it up other than "I say he's scum so yeah..."

You

, on the other hand, have been trying to lynch Klick based on inactivity, only to retract your vote when there is a threat of your removal.

Plus, since this is multi-scum setup. Who's to say both of you are not scum?

And my theory, not statement, is that by apologizing for breaking a rule and removing your vote could very well be a try at saving yourself to keep your numbers alive.

@Fuzzy, I'm not pushing on the fact that you are new to this site (was that Ferret?) nor am I basing my vote on your grammar/English. I am, to say it again, skeptical about your behavior in regards to klick. Also wondering why Nom is guarding you so heavily.

[Om of the Nom]

Your case on Fuzzy says nothing about why he's scum. A lot of people vote off inactivity (that's how the Klick wagon was founded) and I've explained why the threat of a modkill could have easily made him unvote. You've said nothing that counters what I've said.
Your idea that only scum would want to save themselves is dumb because town can easily have that mindset too. Tell me why only scum would want that.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

So to summarize my scum-radar with Fuzzy

States that we should wait to start accusing klick, then does it not even 24 hours later.
A vote based on an inactivity theory, while sometimes true, isn't always accurate. Seems to be more opportunistic than a scum-read.
Hypocritical by saying that klick wasn't posting anything relevant to the game, just providing filler. So an invalid reason to push a lynch on klick.
Removes vote out of rule-breaking and possibility of a mod kill (thus my "keeping your numbers" thing)
Votes again because klick voted for himself. Maybe trying to speed up the bandwagon?
Contradicts himself in the next quoted post by saying that's exactly what he wasn't doing, when he clearly said he was earlier.
Then, after having contradicted himself, states that he was doing this because of the rules and worry of being modkilled.
Unvotes again after breaking the rules...AGAIN.

My scum-read comes from this back and forth behavior and every post needing to be cleared up / re-worded. Not just from me though. It seems like everything said by Fuzzy trips SOMEONE'S alarms.

And I don't think I ever said "only scum" as far as saving themselves goes. So where did you get that assumption? It's just a better reason to avoid a modkill. And Fuzzy had messed up on the rules twice on accident. I'm not saying he HAS to be scum, but the back and forth makes it more logical, especially since this entire thing has been based off of an inactivity vote. Don't you think that Fuzzy would have dropped the Klick thing before people started questioning him if it wasn't so important?

All in all, klick seemed like an easy target considering the inactivity, and I feel that Fuzzy wanted to take that easy kill.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Re read the post in question, I see where the assumption came from. My apologies for that. But I still stand by what i said

[Lord Mhork]

Vote Count 1.11

BOOMSHAKALAKA (0)
Gnomeo (0)
Klick (1) Yggdra Union
Smoker (0)
theaceofspades (0)
ferretlover (2) Klick, Om of the Nom
1baldeagle1 (1) BOOMSHAKALAKA
TrumpetKing (0)
KrazyEyeKilla7 (0)
Yggdra Union (0)
Om of the Nom (0)
TheFuzzyLogic99 (6) Gnomeo, theaceofspades, TrumpetKing, KrazyEyeKilla7, 1baldeagle1, ferretlover

L-1

Not Voting:

Smoker, TheFuzzyLogic99

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

V/LA-

Night falls in (expired on 2013-09-08 12:30:00)

Replacing Smoker who never even posted. Still looking. Still. Call your friends.

Gnomeo and Klick have been prodded.

[Om of the Nom]

My scum-read comes from this back and forth behavior and every post needing to be cleared up / re-worded. Not just from me though. It seems like everything said by Fuzzy trips SOMEONE'S alarms.

This is what I'm talking about though. Because he keeps having to explain himself it means he didn't explain it well enough the first time. Inconsistencies do not a scum make. What do you think Fuzzy gains as scum from changing his answer each time he's questioned?

And I don't think I ever said "only scum" as far as saving themselves goes. So where did you get that assumption? It's just a better reason to avoid a modkill. And Fuzzy had messed up on the rules twice on accident. I'm not saying he HAS to be scum, but the back and forth makes it more logical, especially since this entire thing has been based off of an inactivity vote. Don't you think that Fuzzy would have dropped the Klick thing before people started questioning him if it wasn't so important?

All in all, klick seemed like an easy target considering the inactivity, and I feel that Fuzzy wanted to take that easy kill.

It's not a better reason to avoid a modkill. It's the same idea only with smaller numbers. Why would town be ok with being modkilled but scum aren't? Shouldn't it apply to both parties? A modkill means you've broken the rules in some way, regardless of alignment, so the idea behind a modkill is still the same. Why shouldn't the reaction be too?
What significance does the inactivity vote even have? Why aren't you attacking anybody else for voting Klick on inactivity? Why didn't you question me for starting the wagon in the first place because of inactivity? You're singling Fuzzy out here.

Klick was an easy target and people were jumping on his wagon quickly. Same thing is happening with Fuzzy now and nobody's questioning it but me.

At this point you're probably town but that doesn't excuse you being on a wagon as bad as Fuzzy's.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

Wouldnt I get mod killed even if didnt I change my vote if the mod deemed it the right thing to do. I never heard of a mod making a decison based on voting activities. Every where I played you got zapped if you broke the rules bad enough. Maybe I being dense but I am not sure why I would change my vote in fear of a mod kill. Am I missing something here.

[Gnomeo]

Received.

[Klick]

Received.

Normally I'd vote that guy... but I'm that guy too.

Fuzzy's town, and ferret's still scum. You guys get to hear why after school.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

My scum-read comes from this back and forth behavior and every post needing to be cleared up / re-worded. Not just from me though. It seems like everything said by Fuzzy trips SOMEONE'S alarms.

This is what I'm talking about though. Because he keeps having to explain himself it means he didn't explain it well enough the first time. Inconsistencies do not a scum make. What do you think Fuzzy gains as scum from changing his answer each time he's questioned?

A diversion, to simply put it. Look, I don't know for certain of Fuzzy's alignment, so don't accuse me of that. I'm actually trying to pull info from Fuzzy, not you haha. Even though I know you're doing the same to me.

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

Wouldnt I get mod killed even if didnt I change my vote if the mod deemed it the right thing to do. I never heard of a mod making a decison based on voting activities. Every where I played you got zapped if you broke the rules bad enough. Maybe I being dense but I am not sure why I would change my vote in fear of a mod kill. Am I missing something here.

If mods don't make decisions based on voting activity, then what was your point of retracting your vote (and then making the same rule-break)?

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@ krazey

Forget what you think you know and ask yourself a question. If Fuzzy believed tbat changing votes would avoid a mod kill wouldnt it be easier for him to claim changing votes is not nessarilly scummy than to keep insisting that mod kills are not affected by his voting action. If this is true than it is very resonable to assume that he did not change his vote do to a mod kill.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

again why would mods make decisons based on voting records. This makes no sense at all. Following that logic. If I did not change my votes due to a mod kill than there had to be another reason..the logical conclosion based on evidence is that I did it bc I felt I could not use the evidence I presented.

I have not seen one piece of evidence to make me belive that changing your vote effect a mod kill. Unless someone can prove that than changing my vote to avoid a mod kill seems like an invalid arguement. If you make such statement I think it is reasonable to ask to be able to back it up.

[1baldeagle1]

UNVOTE:

Fuzzy seems genuine and a newbtown.

Awaiting Klick's statement about ferret.

[TrumpetKing]

Fuzzy's responses are genuine, and that somewhat convinces me to unvote him. However, I also feel like his behavior is genuinely scummy as well. For now, I say we leave him be, and come back to him if we've got no other major lead.
UNVOTE: TheFuzzylogic99

[BOOMSHAKALAKA]

VOTE: TrumpetKing

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

again why would mods make decisons based on voting records. This makes no sense at all. Following that logic. If I did not change my votes due to a mod kill than

there had to be another reason..the logical conclosion based on evidence is that I did it bc I felt I could not use the evidence I presented.

I see...so we're contradicting now?

Oh, Sorry Guys I honest

did not know what I did was illegal

. There are a bunch of rules ( feels like a zillion) here at this site . I did read them all but there so hard to remember them all especially with the memory problem I have. If you want to kick me out of the game for breaking the rules thats fine. I wil understand/

Bc I

based my evidence on something thats not allowed

on this site. i will unvote Klick. It is the right thing to do. I hope you do not take this as evidence for or against me being scummy

Unvote klickj

yeeeah...that's actually NOT a logical conclusion based on solid evidence (Klick's activity outside this thread). That's backing out because you broke a rule and didn't want to be modkilled.

I'm not really pushing anymore. in a bittersweet way, you're lack of logic and constant contradiction has given me no scum-read as of late...just a LOT of confusion

UNVOTE: Fuzzy

[KrazyEyeKilla7]

VOTE: TrumpetKing

Would you care to elaborate on this vote??

[BOOMSHAKALAKA]

Have you guys ever stopped to think that no scum would actually try to push an early self vote as a scum tell or a suicidal tactic?

I was confused at first cause the first thing I read was him saying rival and fellow scum after we got prodded (its hard having a hydra when the other head doesnt post)

But im sure theres at least 1 of each scum in the fuzzy wagon.