Big Brother: HoH Mafia (We have a winner at last)

[Keybladewielder]

Dashie is town. TITUS ISN'T.

[Titus]

RachMarie's last posts suck. It's all meta. Your should have no meta on me as I believe all of our games are ongoing. Read me. Take a strong position.

She can't because she got a scum role PM this game.

I am suspecting that. I didn't want to FoS her for being sick but her posts are crap. If she cannot give a good read on me in her next post, I am moving my FoS there.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

dashie wanted me to ask everyone to nametheir #1 choice for scum

Thanks

-J

[Voidedmafia]

Votecount 1.3:

Toogeloo - Gnomeo
Jake - Bulb, Desp, BBmolla, peace, Minions, keyblade (L-2)
bulb - Titus
BBmolla - Toogeloo
black - Toasty

Not Voting - Imperium, blackberry, Jake from Rainbow Dash, RachMarie

With 14 alive it takes 8 to elect an HoH. Currently Jake from Rainbowdash will be elected HoH, as they have the most votes.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-09-05 12:03:01) or by 11:00 AM on September 5th, 2013

Keybladewielder is V/LA until Friday.

Blackberry has been prodded ((expired on 2013-08-29 03:07:13))

[Gnomeo]

dashie wanted me to ask everyone to nametheir #1 choice for scum

Thanks

-J

Bulbazak

[BBmolla]

^This guy is probably my #1 scum atm

Bulba is a good canidate too so he's go that going for him. Gnomeo can be #2 for day 1 bussing, Bulba is #1.

Desperado is obvious town now

Rach is maybe scum

[BBmolla]

Titus is probably derptown

[BBmolla]

Oh Blackberry might be scum forgot about him.

[BBmolla]

On the conspiracy theory side, I do find it suspect that RBD/Jake immediately called it out as nightless without any sort of specification of it being so. Even if 10:4 is unbalanced with nightkills, saying it with the certainty they did deserves some suspicion.

[BBmolla]

I don't want Nacho/Tammy to be scum, so if they're scum they'll go after we've lynched the easy ones. But I don't think they are.

[Toogeloo]

Nacho is town.

Rach and Bulba need to go first. I had the exact same thoughts in setup spec as JfRD, and more or less stated those within my first 5 posts or so. I don't really find it all that suspect that he figured it was Nightless without specification of it being so. I even explained why I believed it in the post that I claimed.

[RachMarie]

Great OMGUSy attitude there Minions?

I do rely a lot on meta to put together my reads so yeah the fact you are being so cagey and now we have yet another head? There is no continuity in your posts either. Are you guys even talking at all in your QT?


Tituis I think you are town and that is why I asked for the case on you because I see you more as town than as scum.

For Dashie :

Main scumspect : Minions

[RachMarie]

BTW I mean the hydra QT there not the scum QT.

[RachMarie]

Also I am not so sure Key is town after rereading his posts, especially the way he refused to move his vote after Jake and Dashie asked us to.

[PeaceBringer]

right now I would pick one of those not voting. Right now think Jake Hydra is townish. Do not know anything about Imperium and his throwing FOS at four all once behavior or Rach and her absence to make a call one way or another. Blackberry has been AWOL and being replaced. So balls to the walls pick Imperium.

[Titus]

RachMarie, why am I town?

[RachMarie]

I felt the rage was genuine, not an act to "look towny"

[Imperium]

Love the Avi BTW. ( the Fasces which let people know that a specific Roman official had imperium or not. )
:

<3. Nacho suggested the name, and I geeked out about having fasces as our avatar to go with it.

I adore both heads so I've just kind of assumed so atm. Post more.
]

<3 and flowers for you too.

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consul

head number two checking in. I'm gonna try and catch up and DO SOMETHING in this game. Nachos been awesome not yelling at me for just giving my thoughts to him here and there and nothing else, but my life is getting more situated now so I have a little more time. I think he caught everything I had wanted to comment on the last time I read but we'll see.

I think our number one pick at the moment is bulbazack though.

I haven't talked to nacho in a couple days, so I'm not sure about the second. Last we talked he was feeling better about rach. Slightly better about gnomeo, and worse about blackberry. And during that discussion, which was prompted by jake, I realized blackberry is not a newbie. I must have misread the start date cuz I thought he was new, so the opening might not have been as genuine as I thought. Well see, I need to read back over things when I'm not doing several things at once.

[Blackberry]

Reading up now ^_^.

[Blackberry]

I'm only on Page #2 but I strongly want a Bulbazak lynch. I'm hoping by the time I get to page #17 this is who people are leaning towards killing. XD

[Blackberry]

OK So I'm really eager to just post because I want to see people's REACTIONS to my thoughts. I have only completed through Page 7. I already have strong town and scum reads:

HIGHLY SCUM:

6. Bulbazak (Mafia)

#26 – I don’t like this post. The way you are proposing to play is how SCUM want to play (i.e., not work as a TEAM as to who will be evicted, but leave it up to HoH). This #1 allows scum to nominate whoever they want and #2: allows scum to accuse incorrect lynches of being the HoH’s fault when it should in fact be the town’s/team’s.
By Page 2 – suspects someone is town for a very silly reason X_X
# 43 – Calling Minion’s post fluff is very ODD.
#49 – Exactly what I mean when I said it allows scum to accuse HoH for incorrect lynches, you pretty lay out you plan to hold the HoH accountable.
#51 – Once again brings up accountability >_<.

SCUM:

4. Minions (Hydra) (Lean mafia)

Post #24 – Anyone saying someone else is “spot on” is scummy IMO. As I mention below, Toogeloo actually accuses himself by his own logic. Yes you seem to think he is “spot on”. This seems to me like scum just agreeing with what **looks** like a good post to agree with.
Post # 76 – Completely incorrect regarding mafia bussing.
# 81 – Seems like scum post based on wording.
# 84 – Seems like scum post based on wording.

3. Titus (Maybe mafia?? Maybe not??)

# 30 – Seems almost like a scumslip, but not really.
# 55 – I don’t like you siding with Bulbazak
# 66 – This is just a bad post. Blindsiding scum? We can safely assume scum get to TALK AT NIGHT and can work together after noms, whereas town CAN NOT. How are we all massively going to ban together to blindside scum if we can’t even talk?


NEUTRAL/NO READS:

14. Desperado

POST #143 –

Why

don’t you want to be HoH?

5. Gnomeo (Maybe scum?)

# 142 – Kind of a really short post when there’s a lot to go off of…

2. keybladewielder

12.RachMarie

7. BBmolla

- You seem to be very active, but I don't have strong feelings about you one way or another.

10. Jake from Rainbow Dash

I don’t have a read on you yet, but I agree with the “decide who we lynch first, nominate them and all vote them out”. I actually don't think you've done anything OBVIOUS TOWN except *acted* like a protown should. I would not be surprised if you are mafia.

LEANING TOWN:

11.ToastyToast

** I think it’s absolutely dumb to nominate a “pawn” – especially if mafia have the powers I suspect they may.
* Town points for 158

1. Imperium (Nacho/Tammy hydra)

#88 – Townie points for his method of thinking and agreeing with him seeing people the say way I see them.
# 164 – “GENUINE” is exactly what I look for when I scumhunt **thumbs up**

TOWN:

13. Toogeloo (Town)

Post #22 – By your definition, someone trying to “lead us” is someone trying to “propose a plan”. And you yourself are trying to lead by proposing your own plan and issue with FOS – and then continue to prompt a question regarding what’s the proper plan. Thus, by your logic, you are being a leader.
Post #42 – I like this post, you agree with me that Bulbazak is suspect.

You just got double town points for saying something I almost outted in my very first post. XD
# 137 – Even more town points for suggesting 2/3 of my top scum suspects. Although you seem to trust my #2 suspect… X_X

From my experience with past games, people tend to think it’s odd I think someone is town for thinking/agreeing with me. But in my opinion, if someone can see things through a GENUINE town perspective and see the exact same things I’m seeing then they’re more likely to be town.

8. peacebringer

Town points for doing something I do as town

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I disagree with Jake’s #50 post. Town actually has a VERY distinct advantage in this game that they NEVER have in any other game. And now I’m confused at #58, because you point out EXACTLY why I think this game is town sided.

Sidenote: Although they're both high on my suspect list, I’m not sure if Minions/Titus interaction is a scum/scum one >_>... I'd put my money on Minions scum, but Titus I can see being town if I had to choose.

And I retract my statement about not wanting to be HoH. I actually REALLY want to be HoH now so I can nominate the people I have strong feelings about.

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I'm looking forward to see people's responses to this. I DO know that posting all this may seem like I'm posting TOO MUCH (as I've been accused of before). But my opinion is sharing my raw genuine thoughts unfiltered is the best method.

[Imperium]

okay my good feelings about blackberry are rekindled. that read he just gave jake from rainbow dash is almost exactly the first impression I had when reading the game the first time. I told nacho that they seemed town, but that the proposition is something I would expect for rainbow dash to propose regardless of alignment.

[Titus]

VOTE: Blackberry

Ok. I always liked you as being the HoH candidate.

Can you explain to me what felt off about 30 and 66?

As for siding with Bulbazak (I'll suppose you're stating about the whole HoH should put their two top scum suspects.). I actually agree with that. It holds the HoH accountable and holds people accountable. No one can slide under the radar because the HoH might nominate them. Not nominating who the house likes as suspicious might be draw heat but the HoH should be ready for that if the HoH deviates. I'm not going to change my mind solely because it might make my town read like me better.

I also don't really like your read on Peacebringer. A lot of people, do stuff I do as town, but that doesn't make them town.

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RachMarie, in case you cannot tell, I don't like conclusions without evidence even if it's beneficial to me. What about my rage looked genuine?

[Bulbazak]

You are aware there are several opinions behind the minions aren't you?

And? I judge a slot by its content, not by how many people inhabit it.

And that's before I even point to the fact you are using posts made before anyone else voted, is RVS, as an example of a pro gnomeo stance?

What does it matter if it's RVS or not? The game mechanics in this game are completely different than any other game, which means that RVS does not exist in this game, or at least not in the way we're used to. You are not randomly voting someone to get lynched and possibly see how they react, you are randomly nominating them to choose the possible lynches. There's no way you should nominate some random person in this setup. Ever. But you did, and when I asked you about it, you ignored me. Not only that, but you've had his back since then. There's no way you could have had such high regards for a player who hadn't posted yet. Which means that you 2 are scum together.

I think I also moved my vote (well, OUR vote) to the guy who showed the most pro town mindset at the time.

How did Gnomeo show the most pro-town mindset when he hadn't posted?

But jake is also onto you and your scumbuddy Titus so while you try to seize controlling influence on the game you might want to actually do something pro town first.

Jake hasn't given a scumread on me as far as I've read. You may be thinking of Toogaloo. That's okay. He's scum too.

The fact you are trying to force a single choice out of jake means you are likely trying to spare one of you.

The crap? Again, Toogaloo wants to double-FoS. Jake just wants to take the entire decision out of the HoH's hands.

I think it's not in town's best interest to use your option. Nor is your new plan. Let's analyze your recent plan with a HoH who is scum.

Nominee is town: HoH chooses a strong townread to go against the nominee, to make sure this person dies. When they flip town, the excuse will be "I was so sure he was scum, I put him against an impossible target"

They are then made accountable for that action, as putting up a strong townread when you have said they are a townread is not only stupid, but limits options. I'd actually say that'd increase suspicion on the scum HoH.

Nominee is scum: HoH chooses a possible mislynch to go against the nominee, thus making the chance of the scum dying smaller. On any possible flip, the excuse will be, "I wasn't convinced on this guy, so I put one of my own scumreads against him."

The HoH would still be accountable for his nomination, as people would question him on it. This might be the part with the best point against the plan, but everybody who voted would also be accountable for their votes during the night. Even then, it's not guaranteed that scum would get their mislynch. Regardless, we'd have enough information to come to the truth eventually.

Because both of these are actually valid excuses, there is no way to ever get proper reads out of this.

Actually, they're not. And you can get decent information from the HoH's choice and from who voted whom.

And I copied the player list from the 1st post to put my reads up, so I wouldn't forget anyone. What's your point?

Scum tend to be really lazy with their reads. Not taking the initiative to develop your own readlist or style is an indicator of such laziness. You might as well have copied the general consensus.

Absolutely not, because that takes accountability away from the HoH. The HoH needs to make 1 of the choices, and we as the town need to make the other.

So you think that if everyone was a double FOSer that we couldn't just nominate an HOH who did want one or both of the two nominees up? Everyone being a double voter

is

the accountability. People would be expected to explain their FOS's.

Let me ask you this. Let's assume the HOH puts up the most FOS'd player in the game and someone who has had very little FOS. If the person with less FOS votes gets lynched, and flips town, is it the HOH's fault? No, because everyone else voted out that player. But beyond that, shouldn't the common thought be that the person with the most FOSs should be going home anyways, since that's what the players have wanted? So why even bother giving the HOH some kind of power to nominate a person of their own choosing? Giving it to them just opens a door for chaos to happen if the most FOS'd player doesn't get lynched.

Wait, what? I don't understand what you're getting at here. You say that everybody double FoSing is accountability, yet you don't want the HoH to have any accountability? This entire plan is contradictory and confusing.

I just wanted you to use a single FoS, because it's easier to keep track of. Just treat it like you would a normal vote.

All the voters who jumped off that train would immediately be suspicious if they weren't voting for someone they FoSed.

Exactly my point, so why bother giving the HOH there own choice, and if he gets his own choice, is even accountable anyways? Putting up two high FOS'd players allows us to see where traffic is being directed when both are put against each other.

The HoH should be subject to some accountability. Give them 1 nomination.

Hell, as risky as being a pawn sounds, we could even put up the towniest appearing player against the most FOS'd player in the game to practically assure the most FOS'd player goes every time.

Mafiascum needs a *twitch* emoticon.

I'm removing my vote for bulba, partly because he's talking game mechanics way too much.

This setup almost seems to be developed with overly talking about game mechanics in mind. It's partly why I'm so bored with this game so far.

On to page 11

[RachMarie]

I think if you had been fake raging at being FoS'd you would have worded it differently, been more forced and yet not wanting to piss anyone off. Instead you seemed like you did not care how you appeared you were just ticked off because no one was giving you a chance. Like you knew that they were barking up the wrong tree. That the real scum was getting away with it, with all the focus on you.

It is a feeling I am very familiar with.