Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[BROseidon]

^mollie, take note. THAT is how you engage with someone. I can understand why ffery hates playing with you; you become incredibly bull-ish and seem completely unwilling to work with anyone outside of a specific set of players. Pretty sure mastin's made a post about this...

Nacho, here is the issue that I have with the big picture:

1) Early read on Rach.
2) Waffle on Rach
3) Push onto Skull/Mutt, which was initiated in the same post where you threw shade on a few other "soft" targets (myself included). This push looks opportunistic as fuck, because it looks like scum trying to push through an easy early lynch.
4) Jump back to Rach, relatively passive play.
5) Super-protect on Andy.

The waffley-ness on Rach is somewhat troublesome, but so is the push on Skull/Mutt. Skull/Mutt was not a good push. They weren't doing anything; the slot was incredibly null. Why would you go onto that push OVER Rach, who was being incredibly scummy throughout the day?

Also, why are you bringing up the fact that you've had a bad run of reading Rach when discussing your tenativeness to read her as scum early, but you aren't saying the same about me? Last I checked, you've misread me in 3 of our most recent games together (Fire and Ice, Xenoblade, and Jobpick where you thought I was scum even though you were scum yourself).

Also, Nacho, this image indicates that I'm not alone in this sentiment:

...............Andrius
..................|
Mala-Rach-Nacho
...|.......|
...|---Venmar

[notscience]

YES THANK YOU MOLLIE FOR THE CAPS

[BROseidon]

pedit: Cabd maybe you got blocked or redirected? I'll pm Bork asking if I should have received anything...

[BROseidon]

Also, Mollie, you pretty much asked everyone else about RW, but I don't recall those questions being directed at me.

I wasn't looking at the thread except for vote counts/timer, since I was engaging with other games and really didn't want to spend 2.5 hours sludging through everything, only for ffery/gif to use their prestige to push my lynch through anyways.

[BROseidon]

I have asked for feedback on bro about rw

nacho, cabd, mac and yeah metal was in that game too! can you guyz plz answer this?

This is 0% directed at me, btw.

[Trust Fund]

pedit: Cabd maybe you got blocked or redirected? I'll pm Bork asking if I should have received anything...

Your night role or lack thereof should have changes if you are town.

[BROseidon]

I didn't get a pm regarding anything. I pm'd bork asking if this is the case.

If you do have some sort of modding-type thing, pm him asking when the recipient receives it? I might get notified at the start of night 2 or something wonky like that.

[BROseidon]

Err, first line should read "I pm'd him asking if this is correct."

[BROseidon]

That was fast.

Bork stated everything is as it should be.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

^mollie, take note. THAT is how you engage with someone. I can understand why ffery hates playing with you; you become incredibly bull-ish and seem completely unwilling to work with anyone outside of a specific set of players. Pretty sure mastin's made a post about this...

I work with my town reads, whoever they may be. end of story.

and for the record, what you posted right there just made me sad and will probably break a 3 year friendship that was seriously on a thin rope. whatever your alignment, I hope that what you thought you gained from that comment was worth it.

and for the record, it would not be the first time that scum used fery and I's strife as a way to discredit me. you know what makes me sad about this? she provides them with the ammo. which of course makes sense since she is dead and can't say anything about it.

Nacho, here is the issue that I have with the big picture:

1) Early read on Rach.
2) Waffle on Rach
3) Push onto Skull/Mutt, which was initiated in the same post where you threw shade on a few other "soft" targets (myself included). This push looks opportunistic as fuck, because it looks like scum trying to push through an easy early lynch.
4) Jump back to Rach, relatively passive play.
5) Super-protect on Andy.

The waffley-ness on Rach is somewhat troublesome, but so is the push on Skull/Mutt. Skull/Mutt was not a good push. They weren't doing anything; the slot was incredibly null. Why would you go onto that push OVER Rach, who was being incredibly scummy throughout the day?

Also, why are you bringing up the fact that you've had a bad run of reading Rach when discussing your tenativeness to read her as scum early, but you aren't saying the same about me?

Last I checked, you've misread me in 3 of our most recent games together (Fire and Ice, Xenoblade, and Jobpick where you thought I was scum even though you were scum yourself)

.

Also, Nacho, this image indicates that I'm not alone in this sentiment:

...............Andrius
..................|
Mala-Rach-Nacho
...|.......|
...|---Venmar

wrt the bold: that kind of contradicts your declarative statement earlier that nacho can read super duper well, yeah?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Also, Mollie, you pretty much asked everyone else about RW, but I don't recall those questions being directed at me.

I wasn't looking at the thread except for vote counts/timer, since I was engaging with other games and really didn't want to spend 2.5 hours sludging through everything, only for ffery/gif to use their prestige to push my lynch through anyways.

you were never around in the game when you were around

[Nachomamma8]

The waffley-ness on Rach is somewhat troublesome, but so is the push on Skull/Mutt. Skull/Mutt was not a good push. They weren't doing anything; the slot was incredibly null. Why would you go onto that push OVER Rach, who was being incredibly scummy throughout the day?

i was being told to reanalyze by read on rach by ffery and cabd, so of course i'm going to reanalyze my read on rach. skull was not "null", no one is null when you have a decent town baseline for them and they are acting completely different than they normally do.

Also, why are you bringing up the fact that you've had a bad run of reading Rach when discussing your tenativeness to read her as scum early, but you aren't saying the same about me? Last I checked, you've misread me in 3 of our most recent games together (Fire and Ice, Xenoblade, and Jobpick where you thought I was scum even though you were scum yourself).

you were mantis's read in fire and ice, i read you as own pretty earliy on and was feeling pretty good about that until lurker mode. xenoblade, yes. jobpick, no. i was scum and not seriously scumhunting by any means. not to mention that how the rach read evolved and how this read on you is evolving is pretty damn different: i did not get a strong read on you and have people disagree with that read as soon as i tossed it out.

[BROseidon]

and for the record, what you posted right there just made me sad and will probably break a 3 year friendship that was seriously on a thin rope. whatever your alignment, I hope that what you thought you gained from that comment was worth it.

and for the record, it would not be the first time that scum used fery and I's strife as a way to discredit me. you know what makes me sad about this? she provides them with the ammo. which of course makes sense since she is dead and can't say anything about it.

I do not intend to hurt yours and ffery's friendship in any way, and I apologize if my comment does this in any way. It's just incredibly frustrating that you refuse to engage with your scumreads in any meaningful way because of how convinced you get they are scum. You don't take a nuanced, probabilistic approach to the game. Notice how I've scumread Nacho, but I'm still willing to engage with him to develop the read further. Why? Because I might be wrong. It happens.

[BROseidon]

wrt the bold: that kind of contradicts your declarative statement earlier that nacho can read super duper well, yeah?

My point is that he didn't bring it up with me. He brought it up with Rach. He also gave a more committal read on Rach (which I can write off to her being more present in the thread).

[BROseidon]

Ugh Nacho now I want to start talking about other games but I don't think it's actually a productive conversation to have.

I like your response though. Don't have anything I want to immediately follow it up with, except that I disagree on Skull: Skull has a fairly small opus of games iirc. That means that "meta" is going to be fairly useless with that player. New players tend to have hugely mobile metas. Fuck, I'm pretty sure anyone who wants to do an in-depth meta dive of me is in for a headache trying to figure out a consistent pattern of town play for me.

[Malakittens]

mala plz vote bro

VOTE: bro

[BROseidon]

you were never around in the game when you were around

I'm going to assume you just mean "you were never around when I was asking."

Which then leads to: Why did you now say that you were trying to engage with me with that stuff?

pedit: not enough l's and o's

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

and for the record, what you posted right there just made me sad and will probably break a 3 year friendship that was seriously on a thin rope. whatever your alignment, I hope that what you thought you gained from that comment was worth it.

and for the record, it would not be the first time that scum used fery and I's strife as a way to discredit me. you know what makes me sad about this? she provides them with the ammo. which of course makes sense since she is dead and can't say anything about it.

I do not intend to hurt yours and ffery's friendship in any way, and I apologize if my comment does this in any way. It's just incredibly frustrating that you refuse to engage with your scumreads in any meaningful way because of how convinced you get they are scum. You don't take a nuanced, probabilistic approach to the game. Notice how I've scumread Nacho, but I'm still willing to engage with him to develop the read further. Why? Because I might be wrong. It happens.

I have been engaging you. what you are providing is a shitty case, a bunch of sledge that tbh breaks my fucking heart and as strong of a confbias as you are accusing me of. I am following up on a dead town's read.

what you are doing is despicable.

if you are town your townieness will shine through. if you are scum well then sound gets to live with the discrediting factor and why the lynch on you was fractured.

[nickthename]

You're breaking my heart, mr bro. You should have gotten something last night, and the fact you didn't means you're probably scum.

So, we lynch bro, and if he's town, we lynch Trust. This is kindergarden stuff.

VOTE: Bro

[Nachomamma8]

Skull has a fairly small opus of games iirc.

I only need three transparent town games in order to form a good town baseline, sometimes only two. Skull is one of those transparent town people.

[nickthename]

Also happy birthday bork.

[Trust Fund]

You're breaking my heart, mr bro. You should have gotten something last night, and the fact you didn't means you're

probably

scum.

The fact that you're ignoring the chance of roleblock or redirect is kinda bad man.

[nickthename]

Oh, I just figured you were.

[Trust Fund]

Oh, I just figured you were.

Note my lack of vote.

[Nachomamma8]

pedit: Cabd maybe you got blocked or redirected? I'll pm Bork asking if I should have received anything...