Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Mac]

so bro could still be scum if he didn't make the factional kill (which he wouldn't have)

Hence "leans" town due to what I said. But even if we leave him alone and he makes it to endgame and was scum all along, he won't be able to kill when he's alone sooooooo if we get a whole bunch of nights with no deaths in what feels like massclaim time, lynch him.

oh wait hes completely stripped for good? that sounds better.

[Trust Fund]

Mutley claimed vig unless there's any CCs, he's town.

[Trust Fund]

so bro could still be scum if he didn't make the factional kill (which he wouldn't have)

Hence "leans" town due to what I said. But even if we leave him alone and he makes it to endgame and was scum all along, he won't be able to kill when he's alone sooooooo if we get a whole bunch of nights with no deaths in what feels like massclaim time, lynch him.

oh wait hes completely stripped for good? that sounds better.

Yes.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

BnB/Nick (leaning towards BnB right now for trying to derail Rach lynch)

False, or at the very least misleading.

If I was trying to derail the Rach lynch I would have unvoted. I wasn't willing to move my vote until support TO LYNCH NICK was UNQUESTIONABLY PRESENT.
Aka I was deliberately trying NOT to derail the Rach wagon until I KNEW Nick's lynch would go through.

Also, you started the Rach wagon and then tried to derail it when you saw the opportunity. Hard bus+avoid bus when other option opens up, perhaps?

You're a moron.

That nick vote into unvote is awkward as fuck, btw.

maybe because he's a scumbutt, you derp.

It can has be lynch Nick time nao?

[Mac]

so tf, scum would not have been able to nightkill at all?

It strips my target of any and all powers so long as they're scum. So basically, if bro was scum, he'd lose any night role AND the ability to preform the factional kill.

right.

so bro could still be scum if he didn't make the factional kill (which he wouldn't have)

@mala oh my god i cannot believe you are talking about counterwagons, talk about desperate. who are the scum on your counterwagon then?

Bro and I'm still not sold on Aj-town.

Yep, I'm so desperate. No, the wagon is conveniently made after Bro has a few votes placed on him. Give it a few more hours and I'll be in the lead.

why on earth would three votes need a counterwagon seriously. you are scumread by everyone on this wagon for legitimate reasons.

@mastin - you think nacho bussed the shit out of rach then?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

See ya'll in 18 hours or so.

[Aj The Epic]

so tf, scum would not have been able to nightkill at all?

It strips my target of any and all powers so long as they're scum. So basically, if bro was scum, he'd lose any night role AND the ability to preform the factional kill.

Okay? So if he was vanilla AND lost the power to kill.. Why would he admit he lost the power to kill? He wouldn't.

Go look at how my lie played out. I worded it to suggest it would confirm him as town that he had something changed to vanilla. In other words, I was softing that the vanilla play would only work on town when it actually only works on scum.

And i highly doubt bro has read paradox prime. (And that fake cop claim won town the game)

I was watching it and I noticed flaws in it that a smart player would catch. Here's the fallacy:

Town will claim nothing happened (this is good)
But you softed HC that SOMETHING should happen. Not WHAT. Or flavor. Therefore, it's SAFER for scum to say nothing happened.
Plus, it's fairly obvious it was a bluff. You're pulling for one answer while the true one is the other way, but you gave him your version of the correct answer on a line to 'help him'.

Most people can see from these pieces how it doesn't work. I'm not saying it was irrelevant here (I think Bro did answer honestly and didn't notice the logic weak point) but it might've been used against you had you based a read on this.

[Trust Fund]

Maybe. Point is, if he is scum, I just chopped off his balls last night, so he won't have the ability to NK.

[Faster Than Light]

HEY VARSOON LOOK AT CABD'S REACTION TEST.

IT'S A REALLY GOOD REACTION TEST.

YOU SHOULD DO THEM MORE LIKE THAT.

I DID A FEW GOOD ONES RECENTLY I SWEAR.

I MEAN REAL GOOD ONES NOT JUST ONES THAT GET PEOPLE MODKILLED.

Anyway, the FTL is back, and, of course, I can't rely on MS to do crap while I'm not here.

SO! Andrius, Nick, and TF are all still on my list of people I don't like.
To be honest, TF's plays today are a bit better if he's town, but absolutely despicable if he's scum. Of course, I'm reading this from the angle of him and BRO being town and Nick trying to set up a 1v1 town between them. I could WIFOM it for days, though, so I'll leave this where it is now.
I'm probably only going to settle on a wagon between Andy and Nick, but I need to talk to MS before making a play he doesn't agree with (YOU SEE MS, COMMUNICATION! COMM UNI CATION!)
I got ice-cream to celebrate us catching scum, though! It was vanilla, which I'm starting to like less and less nowadays. Maybe I'll get something more flavorful next time.

-V

[Trust Fund]

I DID A FEW GOOD ONES RECENTLY I SWEAR.

I MEAN REAL GOOD ONES NOT JUST ONES THAT GET PEOPLE MODKILLED.

Get back to me when you manage to get mala to claim scum in a 3-man lylo.
(love you mala)

[Mac]

varsoon

mala thoughts?

[nickthename]

I DID A FEW GOOD ONES RECENTLY I SWEAR.

I MEAN REAL GOOD ONES NOT JUST ONES THAT GET PEOPLE MODKILLED.

Get back to me when you manage to get mala to claim scum in a 3-man lylo.
(love you mala)

link pls

[Trust Fund]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5206602

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5210962

[Andrius]

Still haven't done my dive yet, just keeping up with the postses.

Can someone help me figure out what the rational behind a saki kill is, it bugs me.

vig kill obv.

I killed him cos he is a little shit

Nomimate mutleyddmc for Best New Player 2013

oh and let's not forget how many people called me scum w/andy because i wasn't pushing him and pushing for Rach "easy mislynch" Marie instead.

BUT NO ITS DISTANCING AND PROTECTING ALL AT ONCE

NACHOLOVE
EVERYTHING THE LIGHT TOUCHES IS OUR KINGDOM
ONE DAY, NACHO, THE SUN WILL SET ON MY TIME HERE, AND WILL RISE WITH YOU AS THE NEW KING

oh and B&B is scum on the other end for NOT being on the Rach wagon
because that totally makes sense right

but seriously nacho they worry me

Maybe a Venmar lynch first would be good...

This wouldn't be a horrible move.

nobody was willing to accept that he might be town with valid opinions

False.

Almost

everyone.

Unvote, Vote: Venmar

i still want this dead as my #1 priority. i will put on my town leader's heir hat tomorrow and talk this out w/andylove.

why tomorrow? D:
but srs can we lynch mastin first please


With BRO somewhat confirmed I kinda want to make a bloc.

I'm going to have to remove that hat for a terribad vote. Instead, have this one:

:/
I never said I was TOWNHATOFBRILLIANCE. But srs all I see is scummastin and so maybe someone could help me with this but I want it dead hard.
Followed closely by Venmar.

so tf, scum would not have been able to nightkill at all?

It strips my target of any and all powers so long as they're scum. So basically, if bro was scum, he'd lose any night role AND the ability to preform the factional kill.

Okay? So if he was vanilla AND lost the power to kill.. Why would he admit he lost the power to kill? He wouldn't.

She has a point.

Andy: Never gonna happen. You have a better chance of trying to get notscience vigged than you do of trying to get me lynched.

Don't say never. You're not conf.town, he is. While I talk BIG GAME about shooting him out of orbit vig'ing confirmed town is against my wincon. You, on the other hand, are not and are thus a damn good place for bullets. At least, for mine.

Not happening any time soon, and your supporting it is making you look worse, Nacho.

Wait what. He was in your top four scumreads yesterday and somehow slipped out? AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE MASTIN?

SO! Andrius, Nick, and TF are all still on my list of people I don't like.

I'm probably only going to settle on a wagon between Andy and Nick

Still haven't done my dive yet, just keeping up with the postses.

Can someone help me figure out what the rational behind a saki kill is, it bugs me.

vig kill obv.

I killed him cos he is a little shit

Nomimate mutleyddmc for Best New Player 2013

oh and let's not forget how many people called me scum w/andy because i wasn't pushing him and pushing for Rach "easy mislynch" Marie instead.

BUT NO ITS DISTANCING AND PROTECTING ALL AT ONCE

NACHOLOVE
EVERYTHING THE LIGHT TOUCHES IS OUR KINGDOM
ONE DAY, NACHO, THE SUN WILL SET ON MY TIME HERE, AND WILL RISE WITH YOU AS THE NEW KING

oh and B&B is scum on the other end for NOT being on the Rach wagon
because that totally makes sense right

but seriously nacho they worry me

Maybe a Venmar lynch first would be good...

This wouldn't be a horrible move.

nobody was willing to accept that he might be town with valid opinions

False.

Almost

everyone.

Unvote, Vote: Venmar

i still want this dead as my #1 priority. i will put on my town leader's heir hat tomorrow and talk this out w/andylove.

why tomorrow? D:
but srs can we lynch mastin first please


With BRO somewhat confirmed I kinda want to make a bloc.

I'm going to have to remove that hat for a terribad vote. Instead, have this one:

:/
I never said I was TOWNHATOFBRILLIANCE. But srs all I see is scummastin and so maybe someone could help me with this but I want it dead hard.
Followed closely by Venmar.

so tf, scum would not have been able to nightkill at all?

It strips my target of any and all powers so long as they're scum. So basically, if bro was scum, he'd lose any night role AND the ability to preform the factional kill.

Okay? So if he was vanilla AND lost the power to kill.. Why would he admit he lost the power to kill? He wouldn't.

She has a point.

Andy: Never gonna happen. You have a better chance of trying to get notscience vigged than you do of trying to get me lynched.

Don't say never. You're not conf.town, he is. While I talk BIG GAME about shooting him out of orbit vig'ing confirmed town is against my wincon. You, on the other hand, are not and are thus a damn good place for bullets. At least, for mine.

Not happening any time soon, and your supporting it is making you look worse, Nacho.

Wait what. He was in your top four scumreads yesterday and somehow slipped out? AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE MASTIN?

SO! Andrius, Nick, and TF are all still on my list of people I don't like.

I'm probably only going to settle on a wagon between Andy and Nick

[Faster Than Light]

varsoon

mala thoughts?

Don't really like the sheepy bro vote, but the reaction to the wagon makes sense from a town PoV. Favorite post so far is 2644.

P-EDIT: Andy, you're kawaii~
But, for srs.
VOTE: Nick

-V

[Andrius]

TOWN
AJ The Epic
BROseidon
Desperado
Ghostlin
Nachomamma8

Saki

mutleyddmc/skullduggery

LEANINGTOWN
FasterThanLight
mac
TiphaineDeath
zMuffinman

SCUM
mastin

RachMarie

TrustFund
nickthename
Venmar

NACHO, I LEAVE IT ALL TO YOU
BeautyandtheBeast
Malakittens

SoundofSilence

[Trust Fund]

With BRO somewhat confirmed I kinda want to make a bloc.

You treat him as semi-confirmed but you're still scumreading me... why?

[Andrius]

With BRO somewhat confirmed I kinda want to make a bloc.

You treat him as semi-confirmed but you're still scumreading me... why?

I have no idea.
Didn't really think that one through.

Uh, yeah he's not confirmed, you're not confirmed. Let's try this again.

[BROseidon]

And Jiffy manages to piss me off more than mollie was >:C

I'M SORRY THAT YOU FIND ME DUMB FOR CONSIDERING POSSIBILITIES AND PLAYING AROUND WITH THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE SCUM /sarcasm

Varsoon what do you not like about Andy and by how much does it outweigh him being the wagon choice vs. Rach yesterday?

[Faster Than Light]

Andy's got this bumbling idiot attitude about him and everyone just lets it go unchecked. Today, alone, he's been corrected on things more than once (see 2666/2667 and 2497/2499 interactions) and his big post was like double-sized (I think, right? Pretty sure it's copy/pasted twice).

-V

[mastin2]

@mastin - you think nacho bussed the shit out of rach then?

Quite possibly.

but srs can we lynch mastin first please

You're not conf.town, he is.

Not happening any time soon, and your supporting it is making you look worse, Nacho.

Wait what. He was in your top four scumreads yesterday and somehow slipped out? AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE MASTIN?

In order. I maintain my statement. You're never getting a Mastin lynch. Why? Because tying into the next part, I

am

confirmed town.

As for Venmar, yes. You missed this:

For the record--miiiiiiight be moving Venmar back into town.

...Aw, heck.

I'm moving Venmar back into town

. I'm trusting him to be town, despite what I've said about him.

This has grown stronger, not weaker, over the night. Venmar is town, and I'm waiting on him to post, because he's almost certainly done a readthrough during the night and I value his thoughts right now more than

almost

any other player.

[Andrius]

ITT idiocy is a scumtell.

Also I eagerly await these

THINGS

that apparently make mastin conftown.

[mastin2]

notscience
Venmar
Ghostlin
Trust Fund
Aj The Epic
BeautyAndTheBeast
Faster Than Light
zMuffinMan
Mac
Desperado
TiphaineDeath

Skullduggery

My town-list.

Spoiler: SoS's townlist

FTL
notscience
BnB
Venmar
Trust Fund
TD
Ghostlin
Aj The Epic
zMuffinMan
Bert/znon/Saki
Desperado

Hard to say if this was in order or not, given that FTL is above notscience.

But still. Again, the names are identical. Mac's missing (and is at null), and Skull/Mut is listed as scum (I think this is wrong; I have Mutley as town), but otherwise, identical.

Yes, I removed Rach, who we know to be scum, and removed nick.

nickthename
Malakittens
Andrius
Nachomamma8

My scum-list. (Broseidon was a maybe on there, but has been removed. He's null/town.)

So again. This game's ridiculously easy to win by POE.

notscience is town. Venmar is town. Ghostlin is town. Trust Fund is town.
Aj is pretty dang town, as is Beauty and the Beast, Faster than Light, and now I can say zMuffinMan as well.
Mac's also townposting, as is Desperado.

That leaves a rather small pool. TiphaineDeath, Skull/Mutt, Broseidon, and my four scumreads of {nick, Malakittens, Andrius, Nacho}.

TD looks to be town (albeit weakly so), I still don't think Mutt's scum, Broseidon has evidence pointing to him being town, and again, that points once more to the four.

[mastin2]

Should be noted--my scumread on Andrius is actually much weaker than it used to be. He's virtually at null.
Similarly, if you couldn't tell by the above, my TD townread has decayed a bit, albeit not even close to reversed. (Still in town, not even null.)

[Andrius]

ITT I am neither scum nor town.

Which clearly means I am third party

in another game

who has travelled through the timey wimey space-time continuum to be here.

(Since this game is confirmed to have one anti-town faction.)