Mini 1476: Dewey Decimal Mafia (Game Over)

[Mr. Flay]

But town should've lost it the point where D3 ended with Darox not shooting.

I'll maintain until my dying day that Darox shooting at that point would have been a bad idea. We had less than 72h until deadline, which is officially the derpiest time for scumhunting. It's not like we had two good candidates for scum, and could shoot one and then lynch the other. Town was ALL over the place.

saulres: Your setup was fine (re: the dead thread). I didn't have all the pieces in front of me and could NOT figure out how it all went together.

[Magua]

The only reason it was 72 hours was that for the first 10 days of the Day, apparently no one (including Darox himself) bothered to say, "We should shoot someone" as more than a passing phrase. It was incredibly apathetic.

[Jake from State Farm]

had darox shot you flay, I would have known right away scum was NS/NSin.

Gorckat's reaction to my note was town, magua's play was also much better than gorckat's making me feel better about the slot.

p.edit - yeah, Darox should have shot. early in the day would have been better so I am kind of disappointed in him for not doing that.

[NSin]

so close
to winning
30 seconds
ugh

[gorckat]

I think we suffered a bit from the AA9/Jake personality conflict, TIP's VI-ness and my own inability to put the time needed in (thanks, Magua, for doing the slot better service).

I think there is a worthy title nom somewhere between Jake 'dropping' the hammer and notsci swinging with it.

[Mr. Flay]

I have no idea why Darox played the way he did with his role.
I have no idea why TIP played the way he did with his role.
I have no idea why Kid A played the way he did with his role.
I have no idea why ArcAngel played the way she did with her role (though glad to see I was right about the Lovers-as-antitown thing).
I have no idea why I secondguessed Jake as Town, or why he turned on me permanently for worrying about his alignment.
I have no idea why everyone thought this was a no-VT game.
I have no idea why I never got around to suggesting a D1 flavorclaim.

[gorckat]

had darox shot you flay, I would have known right away scum was NS/NSin.

Left alive: Darox, Magua, Jake, notsci, Nsin

Was Magua leaning town on Darox?

I was also thinking I was the only VT for a minute.

[Jake from State Farm]

I dunno if its nom worthy buy magua was an awesome replacement.

P.edit - your refusal to caps post for self preservation I didn't like. I don't see self preservation as town.

P.edit - had Darox shot again he would have been confirmed town IMO

[Mr. Flay]

Or SK. I was beginning to think he was NK-immune scum after the lack of kill N2. Turns out scum was just derping as hard as town...

[saulres]

Role PMs.

Spoiler: Darox

You are

020: Library & information sciences

, aligned with the

town

.

Flavor:

That’s right, you’re the Librarian! Your goal is to shush the loud ones.

Ability:

Whenever you see someone “screaming” (using all-caps in a non-normal way) you can PM me a link to that post. I will edit the post with “The Librarian says shhh” or something to that effect. You may not report that post again.

Once per day, if you report someone for the third time this game (not necessarily using a post they made in the current day), they will be ejected from the library. Use of this ability is optional, and unreported screaming will not count.

Vote:

Of course, you can vote.

Win Condition

: You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Details

Game thread is here.
Please confirm by PM. Game will start roughly when 8 of 10 have confirmed.

Rolecop investigation returns: Vigilante

Note: While this role was designed to

limit

the amount of shouting, Darox figured out how to play it to maximize shouting I did rule that the way Flay and Jake used caps most of the time was as emphasis of one word, rather than as shouting; where I would use

italics

for emphasis, others used ALL-CAPS for emphasis That use was not a reportable one, because the flavor is "no shouting in the library". This made Darox sad.

Spoiler: TheIrishPope

You are

115: Time

, aligned with the

town

.

Flavor:

You know all there is about time and how to control it. But it’s very taxing to do so.

Ability:

One twilight during the game, after a lynch but before the flip, you may turn back time. The day will start again, with no votes on anyone. If we’re more than halfway through the day, the new day deadline will be half as long as the original one. You will have 24 hours (no weekend extension) to decide if you want to overturn the lynch but please try to make the decision as soon as possible, to avoid people questioning the delay in the flip and assuming your role exists. I’ll accept pre-emptive ones to help avoid this (for example, “If <xxx> is lynched, undo it.”)

Vote:

Of course, you can vote.

Win Condition

: You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Details

Game thread is here.
Please confirm by PM. Game will start roughly when 8 of 10 have confirmed.

Rolecop investigation returns: Governor

Spoiler: notscience

You are

230: Christian Theology

, aligned with the

scum

.

Flavor:

Your main focus is baptism; you've sponsored so many children that many people have called you their Godfather. You've also been asked to do some exorcisms. Two in particular stand out. In the first you failed so utterly that the demon possessed you and turned you into one evil son of a bitch. The other was to try to oust a wolf from a human, Ingrid. But you were so intrigued by his/her desire desire to eat people you decided to help him/her do that. In order to do that, you and she may communicate here at all times. You and she can kill one person a night by posting

Kill: PlayerName

in that QT, which will go public after the game.

Ability:

You're still a Godfather, though. There is a Rolecop in this game. If they investigate you, they will get Vanilla Townie unless,

before the end of Night 1

, you provide me with a fake role you wish to claim. That role must have a Dewey Decimal number, specification, and if it's not vanilla, be based on some existing role on the mafiascum wiki.

Vote:

Of course, you can vote.

Win Condition

: You win when you control 50% of the town or nothing can stop that from happening.

Details

Game thread is here.
Please confirm by PM. Game will start roughly when 8 of 10 have confirmed.

Rolecop investigation returns: VT or fakeclaim if provided

Spoiler: mozamis/Jake from State Farm

You are

383: Postal communication

, aligned with the

town

.

Flavor:

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays you from the swift completion of your appointed rounds. You’re an expert at delivering communication.

Ability:

Each night you may PM me a message to send to a player of your choosing. At the beginning of the next day, that player will receive the message, but not know who sent it.

Vote:

Of course, you can vote.

Win Condition

: You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Details

Game thread is here.
Please confirm by PM. Game will start roughly when 8 of 10 have confirmed.

Rolecop investigation returns: Mailman

Spoiler: spicer1209/ArcAngel9

You are

440: Romance Languages

, aligned with the

town

.

Flavor:

Ah, romance! You are an expert in the subject, and would love to woo another who would be receptive to your advances.

Ability:

Each night you

must

try to woo one other player. If you don't choose one, one will be picked randomly. If you find someone sympathetic to your advances, the

following

night you will become Lovers with that person. You may not target any player more than once, and if you find someone you may not continue searching.

Vote:

Of course, you can vote.

Win Condition

: You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Details

Game thread is here.
Please confirm by PM. Game will start roughly when 8 of 10 have confirmed.

Rolecop investigation returns: Visitor BUT see Mod Note

MODNOTE: If 6xx is targeted, on the night they become Lovers this player will return Lover to the Rolecop. Also send them this new role PM:
You are 440: Romance Languages. Ah, romance! You are an expert in the subject, and have managed to use your knowledge to woo another. xxxx is your Lover. If either of you dies, the other will die as well. You may talk to each other at any time <here>
You win when all threats to the town are dead.
Rolecop investigation returns: Lover

Spoiler: Ingrid/Sundy/NSin

You are

599: Mammalia

, aligned with the

scum

.

Flavor:

And what a mammal you are! Not just a wolf, but a

werewolf

! Here in a library the only thing to eat is people, so that's what you try to do each night. Oh, except for notscience. He's always talking about Jesus and Heaven and that kind of stuff but in reality he's some kind of sicko who likes to help you eat people. So you work together, communicating here whenever you wish, to help you eat everyone else. You and he can kill one person a night by posting

Kill: PlayerName

in that QT, which will go public after the game.

Ability:

No special ability other than your factional kill. You're so goon-like!

Vote:

Of course, you can vote.

Win Condition

: You win when you control 50% of the town or nothing can stop that from happening.

Details

Game thread is here.
Please confirm by PM. Game will start roughly when 8 of 10 have confirmed.

Rolecop investigation returns: Werewolf

Spoiler: Mr. Flay

You are

641: Food & Drink

, aligned with the

town

.

Flavor:

An expert in all things food, you can tell the difference easily between flavors such as chocolate and vanilla. Speaking of which, that’s what you are. Vanilla.

Ability:

You? Nope. You're a vanilla townie.

Vote:

Of course, you can vote.

Win Condition

: You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Details

Game thread is here.
Please confirm by PM. Game will start roughly when 8 of 10 have confirmed.

Rolecop investigation returns: Vanilla Townie BUT see Mod Note

MODNOTE: If this player is targeted by 440, the following night they will become Lovers, and this player will return Lover to the Rolecop. Also send them this new role PM:
You are 635, Garden crops (Horticulture). You appreciated the flowers sent to you by xxx so much that you are now Lovers with him/her. If either of you dies, the other will die as well. You may talk to each other at any time <here>
You win when all threats to the town are dead.
Rolecop investigation returns: Lover

Spoiler: Kid A

You are

792: Stage presentations

, aligned with the

town

.

Flavor:

Stanislavski had nothing on you. Not only can you assume any role, you can tell what role is being played by any other person.

Ability:

Each night you may investigate one person. I will tell you what role their role is based on, but not their Dewey Decimal classification nor any modifications I may have made to the role. For example, if you investigated yourself, I would tell you you were a Role Cop. Protip: Don't investigate yourself.

Vote:

Of course, you can vote.

Win Condition

: You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Details

Game thread is here.
Please confirm by PM. Game will start roughly when 8 of 10 have confirmed.

Rolecop investigation returns: Role Cop

Spoiler: gorckat/Magua

You are

811: Poetry

, aligned with the

town

.

Flavor:

You are a fantastic poet,
but you are not required to show it.
Here are two letters that sound the same:
V and T, which you are in this game.
Why oh why couldn't you be:
"Lit: Romance Languages, 840"?

Ability:

You have none. You're a vanilla townie.

Vote:

Of course, you can vote.

Win Condition

: You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Details

Game thread is here.
Please confirm by PM. Game will start roughly when 8 of 10 have confirmed.

Rolecop investigation returns: VT

Spoiler: Amrun

You are

938 History of ancient world; Greece

, aligned with the

town

.

Flavor:

Ah, the day of such luminaries as Alexander the Great. You know what he had? Bodyguards! Just like you.

Ability:

Each night you may PM me the name of another player. If that player is the target of a kill, you will be killed instead of that person.

Vote:

Of course, you can vote.

Win Condition

: You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Details

Game thread is here.
Please confirm by PM. Game will start roughly when 8 of 10 have confirmed.

Rolecop investigation returns: Bodyguard

[Jake from State Farm]

another great game modded by saulres, as always I enjoy playing your games

[Magua]

Was Magua leaning town on Darox?

The only way I thought he could be scum was if he was 1-shot. As a multishot Dayvig, there was no balanced way he could be scum. Which is why all my talk is, "Darox should kill someone, if he fails to kill he gets lynched."

[Jake from State Farm]

also magua, had we actually lynched someone instead of NL, we would have lost so while you were mad about the NL, it really helped win the game

[Jake from State Farm]

@ notscience - gorckat nom'd you for a sig - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5269483

[TheIrishPope]

Good game everyone! Thanks saul!

[Magua]

also magua, had we actually lynched someone instead of NL, we would have lost so while you were mad about the NL, it really helped win the game

If Darox shot no one and we lynched Flay, it would've lost us the game, yeah.

It was more that, as of the start of D3, Town could control two deaths (Darox kill + lynch). With the NL, mafia got a kill and then Town would get one lynch.

So town gives up a Town-controlled kill *and* lets mafia kill first.

Trying to lynch Flay at the end of D3 was entirely anger on my part, because I could not fathom Flay-town just letting the dayvig shot go unused. That was what pushed me into tunnel mode on Flay. (Then he was all, "I ain't gonna let Darox shoot me!" etc)

[Mr. Flay]

*shrug* Darox was so evasive about his role I wasn't even sure I believed him about being multishot. But yeah, D3 was weirdly apathetic. Also while I get the 'letting yourself get shot is optimal' argument, it only makes sense from YOUR perspective, not mine. I know I'm a miskill, and with <72 left I had no faith in town responding to my death appropriately or effectively. Would have rather waited for another Day to figure things out (5 left would have meant we could have Darox shoot during Twilight, for double the chances to hit scum).

Note: While this role was designed to limit the amount of shouting, Darox figured out how to play it to maximize shouting I did rule that the way Flay and Jake used caps most of the time was as emphasis of one word, rather than as shouting; where I would use italics for emphasis, others used ALL-CAPS for emphasis That use was not a reportable one, because the flavor is "no shouting in the library". This made Darox sad.

Heh. Phoneposting FTW! Tags were too hard...

[gorckat]

Yeah- the more I think about it, the less I think setting yourself up for vigging is a good idea.

Isn't town self-hammering bad? Seems the same principle applies.

[Mr. Flay]

Anyway, Jake totally gets MVP, but it is a little like winning the consolation bracket... this game was

saulres, you did a very good job on hindsight of putting in roles that would not confirm themselves 100%. That's a lot of what I fell prey to, trying to make the game make sense with partial information. However I'm a little concerned that massclaim+massshout probably would have broken the game for Town, given Darox's full power to kill...

[Magua]

Town self hammering in favor of no lynch is generally a good idea.

What's the alternative? Mafia kills someone and then the next Day you're just going to be wagoned again *anyway* for the exact same reason you were already wagoned.

Yes, a town should try to not get shot because they know they're town. But Flay had said, essentially, that he had no town reads, and had no strong scum reads. He didn't say, "Don't shoot me, shoot <someone else>," it was *just* "Don't shoot me." That's the part that rubbed me wrong.

*shrug* Darox was so evasive about his role I wasn't even sure I believed him about being multishot. But yeah, D3 was weirdly apathetic. Also while I get the 'letting yourself get shot is optimal' argument, it only makes sense from YOUR perspective, not mine. I know I'm a miskill, and with <72 left I had no faith in town responding to my death appropriately or effectively. Would have rather waited for another Day to figure things out (5 left would have meant we could have Darox shoot during Twilight, for double the chances to hit scum).

But then the next Day I'm still fixated on you, and you didn't do anything to try to figure things out (yes, you were on V/LA at Oakland, but you *knew that you were going to be V/LA during D3*).

(And that bit about Darox shooting at 5-player lylo during twilight is kind of b.s., since there was the uncertainty about whether he could shoot at all. Darox needed to shoot first, *then* we could lynch; if Darox didn't shoot, then there's all the "maybe he's lying about his role")

[Mr. Flay]

Town self hammering in favor of no lynch is generally a good idea.

Not when you're at MyLo (and rarely any other time). You're mistaking EV and hindsight for what I was actually looking at - an apathetic playerbase, one more dead Town player, and a rogue Vig/SK/?. Yes, if we'd started talking about Darox shooting at the start of D3, that would be different (and I was even willing to talk about it 5 days from deadline, right after my VLA started). But less than 72 hours to deadline and everyone's favorite lynch candidate is all over the map? No thanks.

Somebody said it earlier - I come from a different meta. One that is unwilling to 'play the numbers' just for 4% better chance of not lynching wrong. You ALWAYS have a chance to talk it out the next Day.

[notscience]

Saki if we did it when whoever was voting was offline it would have gone better ;-;

[Mr. Flay]

Yeah, with daytalk I would have arranged that for some other time. I thought you were one-linering to find when NSin was going to be on...

[notscience]

Read the mafia QT

He was on his other account all the time and I was like bleh we can hammer now without a fight why is he not checking

[Mr. Flay]

Neither team did well as a whole, but I nominated Jake for Most Memorable Moment: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5270399