Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[TiphaineDeath]

We could, but then I would actually have to produce content, and I am currently operating under a new playstyle out of irritation until I get over myself because of (redacted). It'll probably be a week or two.

[Desperado]

But show me such a blatant dismissal of a case where someone looks at it and goes "So you're policy lynching Rach?"

EVERY
FUCKING
PERSON
NOT
ON
THE
RM
WAGON
DID
THIS

Specific instances help a bit.

Obviously I shifted my vote to andrius when there was no help. We had about 15 hours to deadline max and I was going to bed soon. There wasn't much time for me to make a final decision.

As for mala not feeling pressure, she was generally yelling at me for pressuring her. I doubt she figured I alone could do it (I can't, not enough votes), but I will get her lynched. Maybe she figured this. Have you seen Mala play as mafia before to know if she defends her scum buddies or not?

Spoiler: B&tB, FTL, Venmar, and NS all dismissing the Rach wagon at various points

It doesn't feel like many people have said much of anything, other than she's Rach Marie and that her play isn't amazing.

-V

@Nick: I go into it on my 1700, but you're already a bit at odds with that post, so I'll break it down here.
Andy's been high noise and low content for all 95 pages of D1 so far.
He's appealed to emotion left and right to get out of tight spots, especially after learning which players it would work on earlier into the game.
He's currently pushing for a Rach Marie policy lynch based on Rach not posting in this game, rather than actual accusations of things she -has- done in this game.
There's some meta arguments against him and I personally don't like his engagement with the game so far.


Incoming inevitable PR claim from Andrius, am I right?

-V

WHY: Metal Sonic has Rach Marie as scum, but I’m really seeing this as her town game. I’ve –never- seen Rach post a reads list, so I’m pretty damn bewildered, but what makes me sold on the fact that she’s town is how much people are trying to justify a lynch on her without using any info. They just keep saying she’s useless and stifling her voice while simultaneously testing the waters to see if the wagon’ll just explode. It’s infuriating to see her slot handled that way, and she does bring a bit of it on herself, but it feels like a lot of the people that want to see her lynched want it for all the wrong reasons.

The amount of expectation you guys have for Rach in this game is retarded, HOW are you guys using this to justify your scumreads, its pathetic.

also re: rach

I didn't like how confused she kept getting over who was in the hydras and who had posted. she finally coughed up a post with content, mastin and sound are town reading her. rach is lynchbait and I am willing to wait and see more from her for now.

This push on Rach is bad and should feel bad

What really makes me laugh is they think they'll get enough votes on Rach to lynch her

Wait

Saki are you subbing in

Oh my god yes

This game just got infinitely more spammy

Also- Careful around L-1's with him around

@Mollie

Right now I feel like all 4 hydrae are probs town

Andy is probs scum

Nacho is maybe scum

I think the Rach wagon is stupid as fuck

I think Venmar is probs town

I'm back and forth like hell on Mala

I think Mutt needs time to get established before we read his slot because lurksacks don't help anyone

Something in my gut is bugging me about Muffin.

Ghost is probstown

Nick is still probsscum

I don't know what to think about Desp because I read him wrong last time we played together

I probably forgot people but /shrug

Nacho

Why the bad vote on Rach

Rach isn't scum

Who else

I really don't like this Rach wagon.

There was a ton of vocal support for Rach that amounted to "this is how she always is D1, just give her another day phase." I'm sure if you ISO muffin and I you'll see a lot of frustration at the lack of a legitimate counter to our argument.

[mastin2]

Know what? Why do later what I can do now? Starting with the townreads, Trust Fund and below.

Spoiler: Trust Fund

I will admit. They didn't start off strong. I had them as possible scum. But then, they struck a chord in me. I can point out a lot of their early posts which I initially didn't think much of but now read as town, but I'll instead tell you where I started to see them as town. It started with 1207. Yes. A case against me. Yes, ultimately a wrong case, because I am town, but not an unjustified case, and the best logical case in the game that was presented for why I could be scum. It showed legitimate thoughts like nothing I had seen before, solid reasoning, and basically, a town mindset through-and-through. This solid posting continued, including with things like 1295, and even better, 1312. 1436 is also excellent.

Overall, their reads seem to have evolved very organically and naturally. Their pushes don't seem forced, their posting isn't artificial, they've shown original thoughts, and they've been townposting like champions. Their pushes have also been quite excellent, too. All that with

out

their roleclaim, which strengthens the townread on them even further. I really don't see how anyone can have a scumread here.

Spoiler: Beauty and the Beast

Similar to Trust Fund, they are a slot which I didn't initially have a good read on--their posting didn't seem solid; it seemed incredibly generic and "easy". However, then they kicked into gear, put in effort, and bam, bingo, they're insanely town. This SCREAMS town-mollie. Granted, I am not the best at reading her in this game; other players here are probably better at it than I am. But everything I see is of a town-mollie.

Furthermore, in addition to this being in line with what I expect from the town-mollie, their thoughts have been incredibly solid. They've been contributing content consistently, asking all the right questions, analyzing all the right spots, giving their takes on things, pushing their wagons fairly aggressively, everything's there. Similar to Trust Fund, I simply see no reason for them to be scum, whereas there's an overwhelming number of reasons why they're town.

Spoiler: Faster than Light

FtL has been a townread of mine from early-on. Both heads have done things which have proven their town alignment, contributing thoughts which are

really freakin' legitimate

, and providing nuggets of insight. Yeah, their posting has occasionally been annoying--but never has it been scummy.

All their reads are backed by solid posting, and reading things like their mega-wall only solidifies this. They've been posting like town, thinking like town, giving reads like town, everything like town, and I simply can't see why they were ever seen as scummy.

Spoiler: Aj the Epic

I'll admit. This read's mostly not mine. Its other people, who have played with Aj before, and say that this is Aj's town posting. I'm trusting all those people to have it right. But beyond that, Aj's said a lot of town stuff. It's juuuuuuuuuust generic enough that I can't put Aj as a solid townread of mine for my own reasoning, but it's specific enough where he's dang-close.

For instance, as early as 247, you get stuff like this:

So far, the obvious choices for the early scum list are TFL, Nick, and TD deciding to vote for Venmar because of 'stupidity'. That's a copout reason. But I don't like the wagon, especially recently with weak votes from Nick and FTL. In fact, I really think Nick's true bad vote came on his vote on Mac, not TD. 210 and 218 felt like he was trying to pull some bullshit test off and even when he wants to vote Mac, he doesn't explain his reasoning for shit. He is obligated to explain such reasoning because he's suggesting a slip/misrep and therefore needs to bring it to light instead of saying "That's not what happened" when Mac essentially agreed with his original post.

It would have been easy to jump onto the Venmar wagon. Instead he calls it out. It would have been easy to jump onto TD. Instead, he calls TD town. He goes after Nick, a target nobody was really paying much attention to at the time, and locks onto him. His reasoning is incredibly solid, too.

His jump onto Malakittens was about as solid as you can get. His reasonings were dead-on-the-mark in his spoilered case, and it also showed his evolving read on FTL. He even explains his stance on nick remains scum in 941, too, but that Malakittens is a better target. Then, he switches to Rach, for equally-solid reasoning. Again, his reads have been dead-on-the-money. Not in a manner which screams bussing, either. In a matter which shows a solid town player. For instance, look at this gem of reasoning:

If Mala is scum: FTL is town, Rach is scum. Mastin also gains a great deal of more reason to be town, which links that whole wagon on him.

He also tried to work with others, reaching out to them, trying to compromise, and to find the best lynch for D1.

You might notice that Aj's not higher on my townlist. That's not because he's not a strong townread. It's just because my other townreads are stronger, and he is not someone I know as well. But, dangit, if I did, he would be.

Spoiler: zMuffinMan

I'll admit, I'm rusty on my skills for reading him. Sure, I probably used to be good at it, but until I saw his avatar, I had completely forgotten who he even

was

. And even then, it took his comment towards me for me to remember, "Oh, yeah. I used to be good at reading this guy." (Before that, all I thought was, "Hmm, this avatar is familiar; probably played with this guy before." )

Not only that, but it's been so long since he's played with me that even if my skills were good at reading him back then, both of our plays have shifted to the point where what worked for me back then won't work nearly as well now. All that said, though...my read is still decently town. I haven't gone back to confirm any of this, but this is what I vaguely remember to be MuffinMan's townplay, and not in line with what I vaguely remember to be his scumplay. But let's go beyond meta. While zMuffinMan's posting is far,

far

from the strongest for the players here, he's still a decent townread for what he's been doing.

His reasoning reads a bit generic, but his reads seem solid. Beyond the reads (which I admit are a bit of a subjective measuring tool), the actual words in his posts point to him trying to work with the town and figure things out. His relationship to Aj the Epic, for instance, shows him working well with others, and trying to coordinate matters. Is he the strongest townread I could have, no. He isn't. But he is a townread, and if he's scum, he's put on an impressive performance, to say the least.

Spoiler: Mac

I continue to believe this is Mac's town posting. Yes, admittedly, I am not the player most familiar with Mac. But everything I'm seeing points to Mac being town. I have a

very

strong gut feeling that this is town-Mac, and not scuMac. Beyond the gut read which I haven't bothered to back up with meta, though,

read his posts

.

Each post, while not exactly being very solid, contributes small nuggets that are incredibly helpful, showing great insight. They have the air of trying to figure things out around them, and other than one or two spots which're questionable, they all read as town. Basically, Mac is a lesser version of Aj the Epic. And I do mean lesser, since Mac is near the bottom of my town-list. I

could

be wrong, but I really,

really

don't think I am.

Spoiler: Desperado

Another player who I had a bad read of initially. Desperado became town mainly because I saw what I identified to be hints of his townplay, and he didn't really mesh with the scumteam I had in mind. (The scumteam involving {Rach, Nacho, Andrius, Malakittens, nickthename, BROseidon}.)

For starters, Desperado's first post would be an epic bus if he were actually scum. His reads seem to evolve in a fairly natural way, and he definitely seems to be trying to figure things out. I'll admit, it's a weak townread. One of my weakest, in fact, and I can't talk as much about him as I can others. But I still am giving him the benefit of the doubt and calling him town.

Spoiler: Mutley

Eh, I'll be honest, not much to say, here, either. I have Mutley as town, and actually a fairly strong townread at that. But unlike others in which I can talk about them in great lengths, both in general and brining up great posts by them, with Mutley, it's basically gut.

That's all the townreads. A tl;dr version, though:
I have this game on lockdown.

[TiphaineDeath]

Liking desperado, I'd be down for an ftl lynch.

[mastin2]

And, seriously, guys. Trust me.

Venmar is a mislynch.

Take it from the guy who was pushing him as a scum candidate yesterday, but who has revised his opinion since then.

Venmar will not flip scum. He is 100% guaranteed town.

I will defend him to the death, got it?

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

okay andrius I am sold.

VOTE: mastin

[TiphaineDeath]

VOTE: bnb Both of your heads are smart enough to know what's going on, therefor you are scum. GG.

[Malakittens]

Mollie is town. Leave her the fuck alone.

[Malakittens]

Mastin is also town. Leave him the fuck alpne

[Nachomamma8]

okay andrius I am sold.

VOTE: mastin

no this is town mastin

[Aj The Epic]

6 of those quotes were notscience. Can't do much there. He's town, regardless of his views.
BnB didn't dismiss the case. They stated Rach to be lynchbait (as they've done with mala, which is completely wrong: She's scum)
FTL has some odd stance. Post one is a dismissal. Post two is his view on Andrius on the wagon (from what I've gathered) and three demonstrates the difference between his and MS' views. However, in that same post, he did run over everyone's content and some of the cases (I specifically remember Thez's) were talked about and made points of.
Venmar, however, in that one post, did completely dismiss it. But in reflection of Mastin's last post... Put simply, I REALLY want Mala first.

BnB (Mollie, actually): Mastin's town this game. You're going to have to do more than slap down a vote to start something on him.

Mala, that post doesn't feel fake or anything. Basically everyone besides TD seems to have BnB as some degree of a town read, so stop trying to buddy up to players. The last two posts have tried exactly that.

[mastin2]

For my scum-cases, I'm just going to start out quoting this.

Nachomamma8 is scum.

Him being a scumread is the entire reason I wanted to wait, because if I was wrong, I'd look like an idiot. However, the thought of him being a scumread came as early as my post where I did the nick-iso. (That bit at the end of my nick-iso post where I said READ REDACTED? That was a Nacho-scumread, off of nick's interactions with him.)

But, dang it, Nacho's posting here is dangerously-reminiscent of his posting during Buzzword Bingo. He didn't get into the initial pile of town, and has been fighting to recover from this setback in an eerily-similar manner. His posting's fairly light, both in amounts, and in actual content; he's NOT ACTUALLY PUSHING ANY OF HIS READS like I'd expect a town-Nacho to be doing.

But if that wasn't enough, there's his bad interactions.

That's all you have for me...?
---
I'm willing to listen to your reads pretty strongly but you're ignoring me and not even trying to sell me on shit. Why is that?

These are examples of why a town-Nacho should be KEEPING his vote on Venmar. Instead, he changes to BROseidon, who he has no read on.

832 seems like a post entirely composed of messages to scumbuddies. (With the possible exception of BRO, and obviously Desp who is town.)

His Andrius townread seems bad, as is his townread on Malakittens, when her posting hasn't been solid at all.

1485 also looks scum-motivated.

RachMarie is scum.

This was the scenario I was talking about. RachMarie can only be scum if Nacho is scum, because Rach's defense of Nacho and overall interactions with his slot tie her alignment to his. A RachMarie scumflip confirms Nacho as scum. In contrast, a Nacho townflip confirms RachMarie as town, and a Nacho scumflip confirms RachMarie as scum. I'm reasonably certain this is Nacho's scumgame.

Andrius is scum.

He has ties to Nacho. He has ties to nick. He has ties to Malakittens. He has ties to Rach.

nickthename is scum.

His immediate treatment of the Venmar claim, along with how he jumps off at the first chance possible. His treatment of nhammen (Malakittens) reinforces this.

Specifically, what are your feelings on Rach and Mastin?

Distancing on Rach.

Hey, so nacho, I don't know if you've ever played in a game this big before, but with this many players you're not going to be able to get much out of voting someone without explaining it, even if a few people are already voting that person, because you just need so many votes to lynch. You need to explain your votes to try and get a bunch of other people to vote with you.

Also, in this game you can switch your vote without unvoting, but if varies from mod to mod so it's a good idea to check the rules first.

Nacho interaction.

Could you elaborate on your nhammen read? Nhammen feels pretty null to me.

More defense of Malakittens's slot.

But it's worst here:

Rach- She's right up there with zMuffin as far as time since we last heard from her, and her play before didn't really give me much of an opinion on her.
Nacho- Not contributing much, but nacho never contributes much. Until something serious that he is forced to react to, I doubt I'll get much of a read here.
Andrius- His scumread on me feels forced, but his read of the game feels towny. Dunno, really.

Rach at null, Nacho at Null and hinting at knowing Nacho better than his previous quote said, and Andrius at null. Without any commentary at all to go along with it.

Malakittens is scum.

I disagree with a majority of his posts especially on account to Venmar's role.

(TD had Venmar as scum.)

I want Rach to explain #66 in regards to MS claiming early in another game, tyvm.

(Interaction with Rach.)

I have seen town-Nacho lurk and I have seen him be lynched for it in a hydra. It's a null tell at best.

Defense of Nacho, and buddying to Rach.

Really Nick? Do you not like that Mollie and Fery are trying to communicate reads together. Does this make scum you not able to force fake scum reads and push their wagons?

Distancing to nick. (Which also doesn't mesh with her scumread on me.)

BROseidon is someone I have my eye on.

He shares many of the same traits the above players have in their interactions between one another.

One of these reads is probably wrong.

They could be right, but that'd require six scum, when I think there's only five. Which is wrong, however, I can't tell, yet. (That's another reason I considered waiting.)

The purpose of this post is mainly to show the interactions between the scum.

Not the entirety of my cases against each player. There's plenty of individual not-tied-to-interactions reasons these players are my scumreads.

Skullduggery lacks these traits.

I see him as being set up as the scum mislynch for day one, especially if both Rach and Andrius are scum. They're not going to get a mislynch on me, after all, and thus, Skull presents the best opportunity to achieve a mislynch today. (FTL is another similar candidate.)

What should we be doing?

Expanding on the above, fleshing out my cases, examining these players in detail, and figuring out for sure if I'm right or wrong on these.

This is not a "too good to be true" scumteam pairing, nor is it too blatantly obvious.

If I thought it to be too good to be true, I'd know it wouldn't be true. But this is a relatively-simple (therefore not violating occam's razor) scumteam pairing that is juuuuuuuuust complicated enough where the scum could think they can get away with it.

Slightly modified to reflect recent changes, but mostly in-tact from the original form of the post. Read it. Love it. Know that I'm right. Again, I can (and probably should) make cases on each of them. But other players have already done a lot of the work for me. Rach's iso is littered with condemning interactions, as is these players' interactions with her. There are cases strewn throughout the thread on nick (albeit not as inclusive as it should be), Malakittens, Andrius (albeit not much), and maybe even on BROseidon. (I'll have to create the Nacho case myself.) All I've got to do is basically compile what's already been said, along with my own commentary in addition to it, to help prove it.

tl;dr:
-POE.
-Condemning interactions.
-Condemning overall posting.

What more do you need?

[Desperado]

6 of those quotes were notscience. Can't do much there. He's town, regardless of his views.
BnB didn't dismiss the case. They stated Rach to be lynchbait (as they've done with mala, which is completely wrong: She's scum)
FTL has some odd stance. Post one is a dismissal. Post two is his view on Andrius on the wagon (from what I've gathered) and three demonstrates the difference between his and MS' views. However, in that same post, he did run over everyone's content and some of the cases (I specifically remember Thez's) were talked about and made points of.
Venmar, however, in that one post, did completely dismiss it. But in reflection of Mastin's last post... Put simply, I REALLY want Mala first.

BnB (Mollie, actually): Mastin's town this game. You're going to have to do more than slap down a vote to start something on him.

Mala, that post doesn't feel fake or anything. Basically everyone besides TD seems to have BnB as some degree of a town read, so stop trying to buddy up to players. The last two posts have tried exactly that.

I wasn't drawing any conclusions on the alignment of those players, just illustrating that the Rach wagon took so long to get to completion for a reason--because up to 6 of the available votes didn't want to lynch her for what was essentially a free pass D1.

[Desperado]

6 of those quotes were notscience. Can't do much there. He's town, regardless of his views.
BnB didn't dismiss the case. They stated Rach to be lynchbait (as they've done with mala, which is completely wrong: She's scum)
FTL has some odd stance. Post one is a dismissal. Post two is his view on Andrius on the wagon (from what I've gathered) and three demonstrates the difference between his and MS' views. However, in that same post, he did run over everyone's content and some of the cases (I specifically remember Thez's) were talked about and made points of.
Venmar, however, in that one post, did completely dismiss it. But in reflection of Mastin's last post... Put simply, I REALLY want Mala first.

BnB (Mollie, actually): Mastin's town this game. You're going to have to do more than slap down a vote to start something on him.

Mala, that post doesn't feel fake or anything. Basically everyone besides TD seems to have BnB as some degree of a town read, so stop trying to buddy up to players. The last two posts have tried exactly that.

I wasn't drawing any conclusions on the alignment of those players, just illustrating that the Rach wagon took so long to get to completion for a reason--because up to 6 of the available votes didn't want to lynch her for what was essentially a free pass D1.

[Malakittens]

Thanks for already stating what I just did Nacho & AJ.

[Nachomamma8]

Thanks for already stating what I just did Nacho & AJ.

It means different things coming from different people.

[Malakittens]

Sure whatever AJ. I'm being fake to trying to tell someone to leave another alone. I guess anyone who I call town... Ill be supposedly buddying. Does this mean I'm buddying Mastin too?!?

[Trust Fund]

1. Aj The Epic Probly town it feels like aj town rather than aj scum. but this one is a weaker town read.

2. Andrius Ehh the buddying with Nacho is normal for him, The reliance on Nacho vetting for him being town also normal, but his play just does not feel right here leaning scum, Andy can you provide me with some links to scum games you have completed thanks.

3. BeautyAndTheBeast (pirate mollie + Majiffy) I am definitely getting a towny read here.... Given more time will have a more solid read on them since I usually can catch Jiffy scum eventually, but in the town pile for now and mollie feels more like her towny self so yeah town.

4. BROseidon ehhh weak town read here mainly based on the stats, but he feels like hes genuinely scum hunting...

5. Desperado Confirmation Bias much there Des? Seriously dude have you even read any of my town games, weak scum read here. Seriously dude do your homework instead of just focusing on the low hanging fruit.

6. Faster Than Light (Varsoon + Metal Sonic) OMG head exploding here.... these two really need to get their hydra act together, nullish due to I see scummy MS and towny Var, need more congency from the slot tween these two to sort it out better.

7. Ghostlin Ehh feeling more like the town Ghosty here, but have not played as many games, could you provide me links of town and scum Ghosty? Thanks A couple of each is good enough.

8. Mac is Mac..... meh read atm but leaning to town... As he posts more will be able to solidify this.

9. mastin2 uhh WTF???? Brain is suffering from reading his ISO umm?? Need to reread it through.

10. Nachomamma8 What on earth Nacho What do you mean by revenge? ehh that being said its a tad early to rule him out as town I think.... Leaning Town... B n B could you further elaborate why you see him as scum at this point besides the connection with Andy?

11. thezmon221 Nachopappa--- Dude is probably town though not sure why the hostility? I really am a sweet chick However his tunneling looks more town tunneling than scum tunneling.

12. Malakittens nhammen--- Need more time to sort Mala out, she is very good at hiding herself when she is scum Mala... Still sorting....

13. nickthename--- Not much experience with this dude, though he did very well as scum in a skype mafia game and I did not realize he was scum even in LYLO so watching this dude carefully.... Leaning town but watching....

14. notscience umm duh... Do I really need to say on this one

15. RachMarie Sweet as sugar and doing her best to keep up with ya all as you add another 20 pages uggh...

16. Skullduggery Um Skull needs to post a LOT MORE... Nullish, might be scum by PoE but its too soon to figure that out until we get some flips PoE does not do a lot.

17. Sound of Silence (fferyllt + GuyInFreezer) Prolific posters but most likely town.

18. TiphaineDeath Dude you tunnel way too much... Which is making me wonder since you were scum last time and doing this mega tunneling.... Could you provide me with links to a cple town and a cple scum games?

19. Trust Fund (Cabd + Syryana) hmmm mostly cabd here need more syr. Not seeing the usual trolling and goofy much from Syr... So yeah very weak town read here need more from Syr...

20. Venmar Dude what you smokin? Not sure what I have done to you Do you have anything actual to your case besides the fact that I had not yet done reads? Leaning town however...

21. zMuffinMan Need to read some other games not played with this dude in completed games yet. Could you provide me with a cple town and a cple scum games thanks.


I know my reads suck there is obviously more scum out there than what I have, But at this point I have not yet been able to peg them yet. Part of this is due to the number of players I have here that I usually figure out they are scum after a few flips and them not being NKed at night (cough cough jiffy, nacho cough cough)...

I generally suck on D 1 and do better later in the game after I can put more of the pieces of the puzzle together.

I do trust Mollie and Jiffy though when they are town they are often right...

VOTE: Andy

As a reminder, I expect 1-2 buddies to be in her townreads list, and one of them to be strong town.

[TiphaineDeath]

I would love to lynch ftl or andi today, but bnb's response to that mastin post was terribad.

[TiphaineDeath]

I had bnb as a heavy town read, but I flip my reads on dimes.

[BROseidon]

Desp you missed the part where Mala dismissed Thez's epic case with "lol PL."

Can we lynch Mala now?

[Nachomamma8]

20. Venmar Dude what you smokin? Not sure what I have done to you

BUDDY TELL DETECTED

[Desperado]

Desp you missed the part where Mala dismissed Thez's epic case with "lol PL."

Can we lynch Mala now?

No I didn't, Mala's reaction had already been discussed at length, Aj was asking for other people who felt similarily.

[BROseidon]

Nacho what do you think of a scumteam of Rach/Venmar/Nick/Mala/FTL?

pedit: Ah, okay.

[Andrius]

Wrong vote. You can't think all of {nick, MalaK, Nacho} are town, can you?

You really aren't bothering to read my posts are you?
I've posted my reads list at least twice but HERE YOU GO MASTIN JUST SO YOU CAN

NOT

READ IT AGAIN!

TOWN
AJ The Epic
BROseidon
Desperado
Ghostlin
Nachomamma8

Saki

mutleyddmc/skullduggery

LEANINGTOWN
FasterThanLight
mac
TiphaineDeath
zMuffinman

SCUM
mastin

RachMarie

TrustFund
nickthename
Venmar

NACHO, I LEAVE IT ALL TO YOU
BeautyandtheBeast
Malakittens

SoundofSilence

Don't lynch Venmar, don't try to vig Venmar. He. is. town. Period. End of discussion. 'Kay?

This is not a discussion.
You're killing the discussion.
TRY AGAIN.

What does that leave?
{Andrius, BROseidon, Nachomamma8, Malakittens, nickthename}

Those five. I can equally guarantee all the remaining scum are in those. five. names.

Try again.
p.s. There are no guarantees.

okay andrius I am sold.

VOTE: mastin

Fucking thank you.
I mean I have doubts on you but w/e DONT CARE MASTINLYNCH BETTER.


predit: HELLO NACHO. THIS IS WHY WE LYNCH VENMAR CHOO CHOO