Big Brother: HoH Mafia (We have a winner at last)

[Bulbazak]

I think you're misunderstanding my position. I still think that everyone should scumhunt as usual. However, if I have put my confidence in a person enough to elect them as HoH, then that means that I trust their judgement to make the lynch nominations on their own.

What did I get wrong that was explained by this?

You misrepresented my point by saying that I only wanted to sheep and I wanted a loose cannon HoH, which is not what I said at all.

No, it's generally your fault if you get stuck in theory discussion, not the game's.

I have this annoying habit of answering everything addressed to me. Shocking, I know.

The whole "loose cannon" argument is an Appeal to Fear.

Not really, no.

Yes it is. And it's a misrep to boot.

If we want a giant sheep on the throne, we should just make a scumread the HoH.

This doesn't actually make sense.

Having HoH only nominate the 2 most FoS suspects is essentially having a giant sheep for a HoH. In that case, it doesn't matter who you put up.

I may disagree with RBD a lot of the time, but I have a strong townread on them, and I believe that regardless, they have the town's best interest at heart.

Sure but they won't follow your plan?

Regardless, I still trust them.

Hello. Your reads are crap, btw.

Which ones and why?

Minions, Toogeloo, and Gnomeo are scum. If you'd have read my posts, you'd know why. I also don't agree with BBMolla being Town+. He's just not giving me the warm fuzzies this game.

he's shown a lot of trust in Gnomeo because he voted them for HoH in RVS...? what?

After he realized his mistake, he kept his vote on Gnomeo for HoH. If he was town, he would have unvoted upon this realization. At the very least, he would have explained why he was voting him when asked. Then there was the matter of him setting Gnomeo up as town during his argument with Titus. Minons may say that was not what they were doing, but it was. They said nothing about inactive players or "players like Gnomeo" during that response. They were talking about Gnomeo specifically.

KBW's #285 is incredibly stretched.

ehh Bulb is prob town and I am not seeing the case on him?

Mechanics talk and I ticked off scum.

Pedit, Toog, I figure some of my weaker town reads might be off base and they maybe scum, but I do not have enough on them yet.

Not a town mindset. If you feel certain players are town, then you would be looking at the remaining players as more than likely scum via PoE.

Oh look, binary thinking. My favorite scum tell.

On to page 15.

[ToastyToast]

Just poppin' in to say I've been traveling today, but I will catch up tomorrow.

[Toogeloo]

Minions,

Toogeloo

, and Gnomeo are scum. If you'd have read my posts, you'd know why.

Really? This is the first I've seen you mention this. Point to a post previous where you consider me scum.

[Voidedmafia]

Votecount 1.15:

Not Voting - Gnomeo, Bulb, Desp, BBmolla, peace, Minions, keyblade, Toogeloo, Toasty, Titus, Imperium, blackberry, RachMarie

With 13 alive it takes 7 to elect an HoH.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-09-05 12:03:01) or by 11:00 AM on September 5th, 2013

[Gnomeo]

Bulbazak, dis you seriously say that me copying the player list from page one to give my reads is scummy?

And Why do you only comment on me doing it, when Titus did the exact same thing, even before I did?

[Desperado]

So...

Step 1: Nominate Jake from Dash for HOH.
Step 2: They put up Titus and Bulb for elimination.
Step 3: Doesn't matter who gets voted, both are scum.
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit.

[Titus]

Desperado, Jake said he would not be nominating me. If you want me nominated, you should do more to try and convinced Jake that I am scum.

FoS: Bulbazak

His wall throws mud at every person who has been majorly FoSed but me.

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Gnomeo, where did Bulbazak say you were scummy for doing that?

I copied the reads list. It's not scummy but it helps to organize thoughts. I take issue with Bulb's wall generally though. It's like he knows he's caught so he throws mud at all the towns but the one who is his supposed partner to try and set up next day's mislynch.

[Desperado]

Desperado, Jake said he would not be nominating me. If you want me nominated, you should do more to try and convinced Jake that I am scum.

After they re-read the thread over night they'd have no choice but to nominate you so I'm not worried.

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

Well this is going to be just me again since we are in communication issues for some reason, but I want to put up Gnomeo as the primary to die. He is doing NOTHING in this game. Apparently Bulb is his top scum pick (news to me) and... well he isn't scumhunting, he isn't even giving reads or trying to influence decisions or ANYTHING.

Secondary is more up for discussion but we almost for sure are pushing up Gnomeo.

We are NOT putting up Titus.

Anyways, onto why I was asking for picks. I became very paranoid when I mentioned that scum would "probably be happy electing town who was wrong". Then I realized that we were the clear pick for NO apparent reason, when we really haddent been overly clear on our picks. This makes me think that we are probably somewhat wrong about stuff, or that scum are just trying to suck up to us. I have a hard time buying that its only town who are just saying "yeah they are awesome - lets elect them" or something like that. Its for some reason scum influenced, has to be because I cant even give a good reason why we are getting elected.

That brings up something else... why is everypony voting for those who aren't going to put up their top reads? Or is giving reads? Or anything like that?

Im just uneasy over all of this.

But here is what I can (essentially) guarantee if we go up

1) Gnomeo will be nominated
2) Titus will NOT be nominated
3) We will put up somepony with a realistic chance of being lynched with Gnomeo (basically no matter how much I think Minions is scum [which I do] I wont put him up here). Its probably in the Bulb/RM/KBW trio.

Once I talk with Jake we will try and move things along better. As stands though I want Gnomeo. He is doing nothing at all but seems to be both buddying up to the top dogs and just sorta appearing on the wagons of those that are under fire for unstated reasons.

[Imperium]

Hell, maybe I just came up with a whole other way we can go about playing this.

Everyone is a Double FOSer! The two players with the most FOSs are nominated regardless of who we make HoH! You should join me since you want to FOS both Minions and Gnomeo.

Absolutely not, because that takes accountability away from the HoH. The HoH needs to make 1 of the choices, and we as the town need to make the other. Also, this idea is a nightmare logistically, and I don't need yet another reason to want to stay away from this game.

this is a whoa hi hi really silly stance. also, i'm not sure where you're getting that anyone put you in charge of keeping track of the double fosing, and the fact that you can't see the merit of it is really troubling.

Its not that we maintain Gnomeo in high regard and you'll see before that post I used RachMarie instead of Gnomeo. The context there is that Titus AGREED to PL KBW when he doesnt show activity, so I used the other players who havent been active as a reference.

Dude, enough with the misreps.

~ Dave

Okay, so that answers the activity part. That is still not a satisfactory answer regarding Gnomeo. You brought up Gnomeo as a way to defend those who weren't posting as much, which wouldn't be suspicious if you hadn't have also placed an "RVS" vote on Gnomeo earlier in the game and kept it there even when you discovered your "mistake". You've shown an awful lot of trust in Gnomeo, which makes me believe that you are partners together.

Can you point out where they have placed a lot of "trust" in gnomeo, cuz I just went and looked at their iso and i don't see any mention of trust or a strong town read on gnomeo.

[Imperium]

oh also i totally dreamed, apparently, the conversation with nacho where i thought he said he was feeling better about gnomeo. And, he will explain his town reads on kbw and rach later when he gets a chance.

[Imperium]

Rach let me explain

Jake and Bulbazak suggested a PL on KBW.

Titus said she will pursue if KBW doesnt become active.

So I asked her what makes KBW different from other players such as yourself who havent been very active.
When she said you were sick, I used a different player.

The double standard isnt between you and Gnomeo, its between KBW and other inactives.

And its a response to Bukbazak misrepping us. Or at least omitting the part where we asked what differentiates a Policy lynch on KBW than one on other inactive players. Because Titus only agreed to such when other players brought it up and even then, her only justification is inactivity.

Yes you know me. Probably


~ Dave

Also, bulbazack, you're looking at it wrong as explained here. What you should be suspicious of is that they're trying to save KBW NOT gnomeo. But you're trying to draw a tie here between gnomeo and minions. If gnomeo ever flips scum, I'll be looking at you extra hard because of the back flips you seem to be doing to try to draw gnomeo to someone. Just so you know.

(And this isn't to say that I find this post suspicious, so don't get all bent out of shape about this.)

[Imperium]

there may be hope for gnomeo afterall. I like post 225 actually

I didn't dream it. I just misattributed it. I thought nacho made this post when skimming before. Conundrum solved :/

[Jake from Rainbowdash]

there may be hope for gnomeo afterall. I like post 225 actually

I didn't dream it. I just misattributed it. I thought nacho made this post when skimming before. Conundrum solved :/

Our heads been seeing eye to eye on very little this game.

I do really want to see some fleshed out reads from Gnomeo, more than just "I think X is scum" which is about all I can go off with him

[Imperium]

Somepony unvote us. I am trying to work something out with my other half, I have no idea where we stand as a unit and that something we absolutely are not going into nomination like.

Okay last night I know I said that I thought that what jbd had proposed I also thought they could propose as scum, but this reads really damn town.

[Imperium]

KBW, he has asked you to unvote him so you should. It's anti-town to cut the day short.


I am pissed off by the continual assertion that I look terrible. It's bullshit. I haven't lied, misdirected, or done ANYTHING anti-town. That is just a phrase scum have said enough and it has stuck.

I would be surprised if this came from scum.

[Imperium]

PFFT I am not always scum just cause I have had issues lately in RL

But Tammy does think I am scum in every game we have been in together.

I do.

You just do things that ping my scumdar. I'll learn to read you one day. I used to scum read Tierce when she was town, but learned.

[Imperium]

And bam, desperate fake towntell drop, he shoots he scores!

BB I'd so agree with you, but I think I've called Rach scum every time we've played together for that exact reason, and she's been town who didn't read the setup (hi!) or literally forgot the setup.

[Toogeloo]

PFFT I am not always scum just cause I have had issues lately in RL

But Tammy does think I am scum in every game we have been in together.

I do.

You just do things that ping my scumdar. I'll learn to read you one day. I used to scum read Tierce when she was town, but learned.

Isn't Rach saying that an attempt to appeal to you and make you second guess the read though?

[Imperium]

1. Imperium (Nacho/Tammy hydra): Town. I very much liked his reads list. Especially the "Town+" part, which includes my strongest reads as well.
2. keybladewielder: Very bad enrance. Not much else. Leaning Scum
3. Titus: Scum. Made some questionable posts earlier and then his comments on KBW look a bit off. The difference in reads also worries me.
4. Minions (Hydra): Leaning town. I like his push on Titus.
6. Bulbazak: Leaning scum. I don't like the direction he tried to lead us to(the HoH choosing by himself)
7. BBmolla: Leaning town. Gut read.
8. peacebringer: null. I did not get a proper read from his posts.
9. blackberry: Leaning town because of his first post.
10. Jake from Rainbow Dash (Hydra of Jake From State Farm and RainbowDash): Town since #47.
11.ToastyToast: Slightly leaning scum. Gut read
12.RachMarie: Null.
13. Toogeloo: Town: His entrance was pretty good and the rest of his posts were fine too. I am fine with his suggestions for elimination.
14. Desperado: Leaning town since #189

Imperium, can you explain Peacebringer for me?

Gnomeo - why did it take you this long to question our peacebringer read?

[Imperium]

PFFT I am not always scum just cause I have had issues lately in RL

But Tammy does think I am scum in every game we have been in together.

I do.

You just do things that ping my scumdar. I'll learn to read you one day. I used to scum read Tierce when she was town, but learned.

Isn't Rach saying that an attempt to appeal to you and make you second guess the read though?

Could be! But I'm letting Nacho take over that read. The fact is I *do* always scum read Rach, and she's pinging exactly why I always read her as scum in the games we've played and she's turned out to be town. Nacho has a better handle on how to read her, so it's enough that I'm not going to push it day one and will defer to him.

Also, that's not necessarily a scum appeal. For instance, AVox always reads me as scum, and the last time he read me as scum I mentioned his compulsion to read me as scum all the time just because it almost seems obligatory at this point.

[Imperium]

1. Imperium (Nacho/Tammy hydra): Town. I very much liked his reads list. Especially the "Town+" part, which includes my strongest reads as well.
2. keybladewielder: Very bad enrance. Not much else. Leaning Scum
3. Titus: Scum. Made some questionable posts earlier and then his comments on KBW look a bit off. The difference in reads also worries me.
4. Minions (Hydra): Leaning town. I like his push on Titus.
6. Bulbazak: Leaning scum. I don't like the direction he tried to lead us to(the HoH choosing by himself)
7. BBmolla: Leaning town. Gut read.
8. peacebringer: null. I did not get a proper read from his posts.
9. blackberry: Leaning town because of his first post.
10. Jake from Rainbow Dash (Hydra of Jake From State Farm and RainbowDash): Town since #47.
11.ToastyToast: Slightly leaning scum. Gut read
12.RachMarie: Null.
13. Toogeloo: Town: His entrance was pretty good and the rest of his posts were fine too. I am fine with his suggestions for elimination.
14. Desperado: Leaning town since #189

Imperium, can you explain Peacebringer for me?

Gnomeo - why did it take you this long to question our peacebringer read?

oh wait sorry nevermind scratch that.

[Imperium]

right now I would pick one of those not voting. Right now think Jake Hydra is townish. Do not know anything about Imperium and his throwing FOS at four all once behavior or Rach and her absence to make a call one way or another. Blackberry has been AWOL and being replaced. So balls to the walls pick Imperium.

Why are you basing who you would nominate for eviction based on who is not voting when it's clear that we've decided our HoH and that they have made it abundantly clear that they don't want the day ending.

Do you have anything to say about anyone's content thus far? Cuz that would be awesomesauce.

[Imperium]

And that's before I even point to the fact you are using posts made before anyone else voted, is RVS, as an example of a pro gnomeo stance?

What does it matter if it's RVS or not? The game mechanics in this game are completely different than any other game, which means that RVS does not exist in this game, or at least not in the way we're used to. You are not randomly voting someone to get lynched and possibly see how they react, you are randomly nominating them to choose the possible lynches. There's no way you should nominate some random person in this setup. Ever. But you did, and when I asked you about it, you ignored me. Not only that, but you've had his back since then. There's no way you could have had such high regards for a player who hadn't posted yet. Which means that you 2 are scum together.

or in other words blah blah blah

I think I also moved my vote (well, OUR vote) to the guy who showed the most pro town mindset at the time.

How did Gnomeo show the most pro-town mindset when he hadn't posted?

they moved their vote to toogeloo are you just not reading the game?

But jake is also onto you and your scumbuddy Titus so while you try to seize controlling influence on the game you might want to actually do something pro town first.

Jake hasn't given a scumread on me as far as I've read. You may be thinking of Toogaloo. That's okay. He's scum too.

And you said our reads were crap.

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....stop distancing with your buddy gnomeo it's boring.

[Bulbazak]

I'm not interested in why he suspects me.
I'm interested in why he suspects Peacebringer.

Why?

Dash = he is not town. I gaurantee it

How can you guarantee it?

dashie wanted me to ask everyone to nametheir #1 choice for scum

Thanks

-J

Minions

I don't want Nacho/Tammy to be scum, so if they're scum

they'll go after we've lynched the easy ones

. But I don't think they are.

"The easy ones"?

# 43 – Calling Minion’s post fluff is very ODD.

How is it odd?

especially if mafia have the powers I suspect they may.

What powers do you think they have?

I really disagree with you scumreading or townreading people because they agree or disagree with your read on me. Agreeing with you is not alignment indicative.

Minions,

Toogeloo

, and Gnomeo are scum. If you'd have read my posts, you'd know why.

Really? This is the first I've seen you mention this. Point to a post previous where you consider me scum.

I haven't liked your posts for awhile, which should be evident in my interactions with you. This is just the first time I've vocalized my scumread.

Bulbazak, dis you seriously say that me copying the player list from page one to give my reads is scummy?

And Why do you only comment on me doing it, when Titus did the exact same thing, even before I did?

No, I said you copied the format that Titus used to a T, which showed a type of laziness that is indicative of scum.

FoS: Bulbazak

His wall throws mud at every person who has been majorly FoSed but me.

I don't believe this is the case, but you're welcome to quote the giant catchup wall.

i'm not sure where you're getting that anyone put you in charge of keeping track of the double fosing, and the fact that you can't see the merit of it is really troubling.

If you want to keep track of it, be my guest.

Its not that we maintain Gnomeo in high regard and you'll see before that post I used RachMarie instead of Gnomeo. The context there is that Titus AGREED to PL KBW when he doesnt show activity, so I used the other players who havent been active as a reference.

Dude, enough with the misreps.

~ Dave

Okay, so that answers the activity part. That is still not a satisfactory answer regarding Gnomeo. You brought up Gnomeo as a way to defend those who weren't posting as much, which wouldn't be suspicious if you hadn't have also placed an "RVS" vote on Gnomeo earlier in the game and kept it there even when you discovered your "mistake". You've shown an awful lot of trust in Gnomeo, which makes me believe that you are partners together.

Can you point out where they have placed a lot of "trust" in gnomeo, cuz I just went and looked at their iso and i don't see any mention of trust or a strong town read on gnomeo.

It's like no one is even reading...

Banana!!!!!

vote gnomeo

Our film is better than yours...

~ Jerry

Oh wait, the votes in these are kingmaker votes,

Meh, have the vote anyway fellow animated little person...

~ Jerry

@Minions: Why do you not care who you are nominating for HoH? That's something awfully important that you're being so nonchalant about.

The Minions don't answer.

Also, why is Minions town?

The vote slip. Granted it could be fake, but just a feeling that the Mafia team wouldn't make that slip unintentionally.

Then why keep his vote on the same random person? That's incredible trust given to someone random so early in the game. For all they knew, Gnomeo could have been scum. The town reaction would have been to unvote immediately to lessen the chance of HoH falling into the wrong hands, but they don't. They keep their vote for HoH on someone they picked randomly.

As of yet, they haven't explained this, even though I've asked them to.

They still don't answer.

FoS Minions

And as for bulbazak throwing down an fos on us when I'm the only one to post and it was the RVS first posts of the game... That's either an agenda or thinking we are low hanging fruit. Either way you are on our radar even before I get to the attempt to dictate how we will all handle this unique system.

Explain why we should quicklynch KBW for not being active

yet spare Gnomeo

? Thats your only standard, right?

Very opportunistic.

~ Dave

Seriously, I've gone over this a hundered times already.