Big Brother: HoH Mafia (We have a winner at last)

[Imperium]

I think you're misunderstanding my position. I still think that everyone should scumhunt as usual. However, if I have put my confidence in a person enough to elect them as HoH, then that means that I trust their judgement to make the lynch nominations on their own.

What did I get wrong that was explained by this?

You misrepresented my point by saying that I only wanted to sheep and I wanted a loose cannon HoH, which is not what I said at all.

No, it's generally your fault if you get stuck in theory discussion, not the game's.

I have this annoying habit of answering everything addressed to me. Shocking, I know.

The whole "loose cannon" argument is an Appeal to Fear.

Not really, no.

Yes it is. And it's a misrep to boot.

If we want a giant sheep on the throne, we should just make a scumread the HoH.

This doesn't actually make sense.

Having HoH only nominate the 2 most FoS suspects is essentially having a giant sheep for a HoH. In that case, it doesn't matter who you put up.

I may disagree with RBD a lot of the time, but I have a strong townread on them, and I believe that regardless, they have the town's best interest at heart.

Sure but they won't follow your plan?

Regardless, I still trust them.

Hello. Your reads are crap, btw.

Which ones and why?

Minions, Toogeloo, and Gnomeo are scum. If you'd have read my posts, you'd know why. I also don't agree with BBMolla being Town+. He's just not giving me the warm fuzzies this game.

he's shown a lot of trust in Gnomeo because he voted them for HoH in RVS...? what?

After he realized his mistake, he kept his vote on Gnomeo for HoH. If he was town, he would have unvoted upon this realization. At the very least, he would have explained why he was voting him when asked. Then there was the matter of him setting Gnomeo up as town during his argument with Titus. Minons may say that was not what they were doing, but it was. They said nothing about inactive players or "players like Gnomeo" during that response. They were talking about Gnomeo specifically.

KBW's #285 is incredibly stretched.

ehh Bulb is prob town and I am not seeing the case on him?

Mechanics talk and I ticked off scum.

Pedit, Toog, I figure some of my weaker town reads might be off base and they maybe scum, but I do not have enough on them yet.

Not a town mindset. If you feel certain players are town, then you would be looking at the remaining players as more than likely scum via PoE.

Oh look, binary thinking. My favorite scum tell.

On to page 15.

I'm forming the anti-quote striper brigade!!! ^^^^ Lynch this guy^^^

[Bulbazak]

And that's before I even point to the fact you are using posts made before anyone else voted, is RVS, as an example of a pro gnomeo stance?

What does it matter if it's RVS or not? The game mechanics in this game are completely different than any other game, which means that RVS does not exist in this game, or at least not in the way we're used to. You are not randomly voting someone to get lynched and possibly see how they react, you are randomly nominating them to choose the possible lynches. There's no way you should nominate some random person in this setup. Ever. But you did, and when I asked you about it, you ignored me. Not only that, but you've had his back since then. There's no way you could have had such high regards for a player who hadn't posted yet. Which means that you 2 are scum together.

or in other words blah blah blah

It's so nice to know that you're paying attention...

But jake is also onto you and your scumbuddy Titus so while you try to seize controlling influence on the game you might want to actually do something pro town first.

Jake hasn't given a scumread on me as far as I've read. You may be thinking of Toogaloo. That's okay. He's scum too.

And you said our reads were crap.

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....stop distancing with your buddy gnomeo it's boring.

So... Minions/Gnomeo/Toogaloo/Imperium. No wonder I find this game boring. It's too easy.

P-edit: Yep. Definitely Imperium-scum.

[Bulbazak]

FoS Count:

Imperium (0):
Keybladewielder (0):
Titus (2): Jake from Rainbowdash, Gnomeo,
Minions (1): Bulbazak
Gnomeo (0):
Bulbazak (2): Minions, Titus
BBmolla (2): Peacebringer, ToastyToast
Peacebringer (0):
Blackberry (0):
Jake from Rainbowdash (0):
ToastyToast (0):
RachMarie (1): BBmolla
Toogeloo (0):
Desperado (0):

Not FoSing (6): Imperium, Keybladewielder, Blackberry, RachMarie, Toogeloo, Desperado

[Imperium]

I haven't liked your posts for awhile, which should be evident in my interactions with you. This is just the first time I've vocalized my scumread.

The whole "why is he scum" isn't too evident though. Mind clearing that up?

No, I said you copied the format that Titus used to a T, which showed a type of laziness that is indicative of scum.

This is a hell of a reach.

The Minions don't answer.

The vote for HoH was akin to a vote for a lynch. Keeping it on did NOT mean that they trusted Gnomeo, it did NOT mean that they wanted the day to end. It was an RVS vote. Why are you treating it like anything different?

[Imperium]

So... Minions/Gnomeo/Toogaloo/Imperium. No wonder I find this game boring. It's too easy.

P-edit: Yep. Definitely Imperium-scum.

Why do you think we are scum?

[Imperium]

No, it's generally your fault if you get stuck in theory discussion, not the game's.

I have this annoying habit of answering everything addressed to me. Shocking, I know.

You're tone is off...shocking I know.

The whole "loose cannon" argument is an Appeal to Fear.

Not really, no.

Yes it is. And it's a misrep to boot.

this is stupid.

If we want a giant sheep on the throne, we should just make a scumread the HoH.

This doesn't actually make sense.

Having HoH only nominate the 2 most FoS suspects is essentially having a giant sheep for a HoH. In that case, it doesn't matter who you put up.

and the problem is...

Hello. Your reads are crap, btw.

Which ones and why?

Minions, Toogeloo, and Gnomeo are scum. If you'd have read my posts, you'd know why. I also don't agree with BBMolla being Town+. He's just not giving me the warm fuzzies this game.

Hi toogelooo is town and so is bbmolla. Minions is probs town.

But you're right, you're buddy gnomeo is probs scum.

If by some weird chance you happen to be town this game, you have a terrible demeanor and should go to townie town town school. I teach classes every Tuesday night; feel free to sign up.

...blah blah blah i got the bored of the rest of your quote stripe cuz i think it's scum posting at best meh don't know what you're doing posting at worst. Yes I mean it that way.

[Imperium]

Okay so town are in: JRBD, Toogeloo, BBMolla, Titus and probably ToastyToast, RachMarie and KBW

Scum are in Bulbazack, Gnomeo, Peacebringer, Blackberry with an outside chance of desperado and minions.

[BBmolla]

Nah Desperado is town

[Imperium]

well that's why he's outside chance because it's weak.

Do you agree with my other reads?

Cuz it would be really cool if we could pop princess this out and have the scum team early, you know?

[BBmolla]

Yes.

I definitely think Bulba should be today's lynch, he'll semi prove Gnomeo is his buddy but not so much the other way around.

[BBmolla]

Man that was a good game.

[Imperium]

Imperium, can you walk me through how Rach and KBW are town?

Rach town:
ISO #11 is another point of confusion that feels pretty genuine. In my experience with her, Rach isn't the type of player to fake ignorance on how many scum there are. She definitely isn't the type of player that could pull off attacking the right number of scum and provide an alternate path (and doing it multiple times! don't forget here and here): compare with her speculating on how many scum there were in Xenoblade Mafia, as scum. She didn't even make a guess at how many scum there were.

I thought her trajectory on Minions was pretty solid. It started with a bit of initial frustration here:

It is also very hard to get good meta when I am playing with a multi head hydra who wont tell me who their mains are...

advanced to here where she got a hint as to one of the heads:

Wait a minute? Gooner is Jerry? I have not played with Gooner in a long time. First game I was in with him was Newbie 1221, Nacho was the IC and it was my 2nd ever Newbie game. Gooner and NurC were the scum team. We had first Jackal, then Pere in the JK slot looking scummy as all get out and if Nacho had not done some of his neat tricks, scum would have won that game....


hmmm Gooner and Fuzzy...

followed by stronger frustration at their heads when she learned the meta dive was for naught:

Fine you go in my scum pile then Minions. I am tired of the run around.

The reachout to you in #424 also seems extremely genuine, but that's more of a gut thing than anything else.

KBW Town:
Voided Nightless: 22 posts, 39 pages. (scum)
Beginning of the End: 8 posts, 3 pages. (town)
Hell's Bottom: 71 posts, 19 pages (town)
Hunt in the Dungeon: 23 posts, 50 pages. (scum)
State Farm Mafia: 26 posts, 9 pages (town)
Timeshift Maifa: 50 posts, 20 pages (town)
H2HFBYM: 172 posts, 80 pages (town)
A New Adventure 45 posts, 20 pages (scum)
Xenoblade Mafia 12 posts, 98 pages (town)
There's a mightily powerful correlation between KBW's alignment and his activity. As scum, he has a lot of trouble keeping up with the thread that he doesn't necessarily have as town, and he's definitely showing his town attitude now. There are two games I found where KBW didn't live up to his activity tell: Xenoblade, which was an extremely fast moving thread that was the longest Day 1 ever and ended up eventually forcing KBW to replace out, and A New Adventure, which was a slow-moving newbie game in the first place where KBW went on disappearances for 4 days, for a week; meaning that the same number of posts he's already made here were spread over the course of an entire month. Considering this game is pretty fast-moving and KBW has almost posted more in this game than he has in any of his scumgames, he's pretty strongly town.

I also think that the way KBW attacked you ISO #22, ISO #23, was unlike any way that he attacked anyone in any of his scumgames. A KBW-scum attack is meek, and while it sometimes is persistent, it very very rarely is flashy. Those attacks were flashy and showed me that he was having fun, which is a strong towntell for him.

[Imperium]

Imperium, can you explain Peacebringer for me?

I felt that Peacebringer was town for being active, picking up on things that bothered him, and how he never really gave a shit what those things composed of; he just said what was on his mind. Lately, he's pretty much disappeared completely which I don't really feel as reassured with him as I once did. The multiball slip still remains as a strong point in favor of him being town, but it's going a bit stale.

right now I would pick one of those not voting.

Why is voting for HoH significant?

Anyone saying someone else is “spot on” is scummy IMO.

Why is this scummy again?

# 81 – Seems like scum post based on wording.
# 84 – Seems like scum post based on wording.

Explain.

# 55 – I don’t like you siding with Bulbazak

A lot of your attacks are based on theory you agree with and theory you disagree with. Why do you think this is a reliable indicator of alignment?

- You seem to be very active, but I don't have strong feelings about you one way or another.

NOPE
try again on this one, please.

Town points for doing something I do as town

Is this your only reason for finding peacebringer scum?

You may be thinking of Toogaloo. That's okay. He's scum too.

Why do you think Toogeloo is scum? Because he disagrees with you?

You misrepresented my point by saying that I only wanted to sheep and I wanted a loose cannon HoH, which is not what I said at all.

I said you

might as well

sheep, not that you only wanted to sheep. That was not an accusation, that was me asking you to explain why your idea was any different from voting HoH as whoever you think has the best reads. And you're hung up on the word "loose cannon", which I haven't defined or put anything behind. Loose cannon is not tied down by the town's FoSes, which is exactly what you wanted, no?

I have this annoying habit of answering everything addressed to me. Shocking, I know.

You don't have to answer everything addressed to you...?

Having HoH only nominate the 2 most FoS suspects is essentially having a giant sheep for a HoH. In that case, it doesn't matter who you put up.

Unless you put up scum and they put up whoever the hell you want. Or you put up someone who doesn't agree with that and they put up whoever the hell you want. And yes, it is like having a giant sheep for an HoH. Why is that a problem?

Minions, Toogeloo, and Gnomeo are scum. If you'd have read my posts, you'd know why. I also don't agree with BBMolla being Town+. He's just not giving me the warm fuzzies this game.

You find Minions town for a reason that I think is absolutely trash (namely, his RVS vote). You actually haven't explained your Toogeloo vote, and we agree Gnomeo is scum so I don't know where that comes from. Why do you think Molla is scum?

[Toogeloo]

1) Gnomeo will be nominated
2) Titus will NOT be nominated
3) We will put up somepony with a realistic chance of being lynched with Gnomeo (basically no matter how much I think Minions is scum [which I do] I wont put him up here). Its probably in the Bulb/RM/KBW trio.

Put up Gnomeo and Bulba. You want Gnomeo, and enough people have shown willingness to lynch Bulba. I'll be voting for Bulba personally.

Leave RM and KBW down for now, I put enough faith in Imperium's town read to at least give them til Day 2.

I'm ready to see a flip, and see what everyone does with it.

Unvote;
Vote: JakeRD

[BBmolla]

Dont expect much more from me until Bulba is lynched

[Gnomeo]

I will be out all of today, so I'll catch up tomorrow.

Apologies for my lack of activity, I know I've been somewhat lazy with this game.

[Voidedmafia]

A board had been set up in the main living room for the houseguests to use to point out who they wanted to nominate, since the previous standard of competitions for the HoH were not in use this season. Various houseguests talked and milled about, every so often switching their nominations around.

Soon, though, the votes began piling up for Jake From Rainbowdash, and it was with about 5 nominations for them that disaster struck.

"Houseguests," Julie suddenly interrupts their business. "Come to the main living room immediately. I have news for you all, and one player in particular."

Understandably confused by this. the fourteen houseguest trickle into the room, casting looks around at each other and wondering just what the announcement would be.

"Thank you," Julie greets them, her head appearing on screen. "As you were told, some players were secretly set apart to win the game from themselves, and they have made a move. Jake from Rainbowdash, you have been evicted from the mansion."

Silence greets her words as Jake only stares in open-mouthed shock, not yet comprehending just what happened. Though Jake eventually stands to leave, the others awkwardly say goodbyes. Only when Jake is in the divider between the audience outside and the guests inside do the tears finally show as Jake goes to greet Julie.

Jake from Rainbowdash,

Vanilla Townie

, evicted Day 1. The votecount will be reset.

[Voidedmafia]

Votecount 1.15:

Not Voting - Gnomeo, Bulb, Desp, BBmolla, peace, Minions, keyblade, Toogeloo, Toasty, Titus, Imperium, blackberry, RachMarie

With 13 alive it takes 7 to elect an HoH.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-09-05 12:03:01) or by 11:00 AM on September 5th, 2013

I can't edit VCs properly <_<.

[Imperium]

This head is really confused and expets the other head to explain to men when I'm sober romorrw.

[BBmolla]

...

[BBmolla]

So they have a dayvig?

[PeaceBringer]

[PeaceBringer]

IMperium, I haven't disappeared. There really has been jack squat to interact to...whatever, think what you like

vote BBMolla

[Imperium]

OH. reading it sober makes so much more sense. Last night I thought they got evicted because we voted for them, which had me really confused and rereading the rules. I'm not sure how I missed the part where he clearly stated that they made a move.

*drunken idiot*

[Desperado]

Vote: Molla

I think we should expect the scum team's kill to work like the SHIELD kill worked here.