Newbie 1419 - GAME OVER

[Brian Skies]

Well duh

I don't trust anyone out of the gate

But once it goes on you get that

But you're also basing it off a meta that not everyone is going to be able to become accustomed to. I said this before, not everyone's experiences are the same.

[notscience]

Well yeah

For me, I love to use meta and gut when reading people which is why it doesn't bug me too much

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho and Shii are my strongest town reads so far, both are actively scumhunting and analyzing information accurately. I'm also getting the feeling that Brian is town, he has a lot of reasoning behind his actions, and his analyses have been better than I would expect for a newbie. I get the vibe that Flammus is town too based off of his posts alone, but that gambit in the beginning by Mail still makes me a little suspicious. I'm not sure exactly what to think of Titus, some actions seem pro-town, some seem anti-town, null on this one. Verbs, null-scum in my opinion, seems suspicious because of the supposed reasoning behind Mail's gambit, but that's not enough to make me too suspicious of him. I'm suspicious of JKMatthews and notscience the most, JKM because of the situation with Mail's replacement and asking for a lynch, and notscience because of low levels of activity and not much reasoning behind the vote for Shii.

Strong town read @ Shii: Fucking odd place to put a partner; usually newbies aren't confident enough to call their partner one of their strongest townreads and present it in such a matter-of-fact way.
P strong townread @ Brian: Also odd, less odd because Brian was in a pretty good position at that point.
Town w/reservations @ Flammus: Prime buddy position because it means that it doesn't look weird if he doesn't vote him but it also doesn't look weird if he jumps on later. If you're looking to frame someone as your partner while you're going down, optimal position.
Null @ Titus: Prime buddy real estate, obviously.
Null leaning scum @ Verbs: Decent buddy real estate but kind of makes him vote him if a wagon forms. Verbs voting him already sort of mitigates the buddy convenience a bit though.
Scum @ notscience: Also a really fucking strange position to put a buddy when you have a pretty strong wagon on a townie and your buddy is in a good position.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho and Shii are my strongest town reads so far, both are actively scumhunting and analyzing information accurately. I'm also getting the feeling that Brian is town, he has a lot of reasoning behind his actions, and his analyses have been better than I would expect for a newbie. I get the vibe that Flammus is town too based off of his posts alone, but that gambit in the beginning by Mail still makes me a little suspicious. I'm not sure exactly what to think of Titus, some actions seem pro-town, some seem anti-town, null on this one. Verbs, null-scum in my opinion, seems suspicious because of the supposed reasoning behind Mail's gambit, but that's not enough to make me too suspicious of him. I'm suspicious of JKMatthews and notscience the most, JKM because of the situation with Mail's replacement and asking for a lynch, and notscience because of low levels of activity and not much reasoning behind the vote for Shii.

Strong town read @ Shii: Fucking odd place to put a partner; usually newbies aren't confident enough to call their partner one of their strongest townreads and present it in such a matter-of-fact way.
P strong townread @ Brian: Also odd, less odd because Brian was in a pretty good position at that point.
Town w/reservations @ Flammus: Prime buddy position because it means that it doesn't look weird if he doesn't vote him but it also doesn't look weird if he jumps on later. If you're looking to frame someone as your partner while you're going down, optimal position.
Null @ Titus: Prime buddy real estate, obviously.
Null leaning scum @ Verbs: Decent buddy real estate but kind of makes him vote him if a wagon forms. Verbs voting him already sort of mitigates the buddy convenience a bit though.
Scum @ notscience: Also a really fucking strange position to put a buddy when you have a pretty strong wagon on a townie and your buddy is in a good position.

[Brian Skies]

Well yeah

For me, I love to use meta and gut when reading people which is why it doesn't bug me too much

I can't do that. My gut is an idiot.

[Nachomamma8]

I guess if there's any chance of saving an innocent townie (aka me) I'll vote for Titus. UNVOTE: Verbs VOTE: Titus

Anyway, I'm headed to bed now. Hopefully you guys make the right choice and don't lynch me.

this seems like an appeal to be saved. i seriously doubt that he would vote his buddy as a last-minute distance effort.
meaning i've come full circle and don't wanna lynch titus anymore.

[notscience]

Nacho newbscum are newbscum

I could see it

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: Flammus

here you go brian!

[notscience]

Is that L-2 or L-3 nacho

[Brian Skies]

Is it weird that I read both of those posts all the way through, expecting something different?

Anyhow, despite Titus' being relatively scummy in certain parts of Day 1, she seemed super town before the lynch. I'm not saying it's enough to get a strong townread off of, but enough to make me look elsewhere.

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho newbscum are newbscum

I could see it

exactly. and it takes a little foresight to see that you're going down completely and distancing might be a good move. i don't think he possessed that foresight.

[Brian Skies]

Vote: Flammus

here you go brian!

Thanks, but I'd be happier if you believe it's the best lynch. I don't wanna lynch him without good cause, because Flammus flipping town would make me feel bad (looking at you Bert )

[notscience]

Titus's a great inspection target

[Nachomamma8]

Well yeah

For me, I love to use meta and gut when reading people which is why it doesn't bug me too much

I can't do that. My gut is an idiot.

Gut becomes more effective the longer you play; it's important to differentiate when your gut is your subconscious pegging town/scum and when your gut is actually just paranoid turnings of your subconscious. I use it more than I announce, but learning to trust and fine-tune your gut is actually a decent skill in mafia AND real life.

[Brian Skies]

Titus's a great inspection target

And so is Verbs, but I prefer Titus.

[Nachomamma8]

Thanks, but I'd be happier if you believe it's the best lynch.

I still want people to talk more. I do think he is the best lynch.

[Brian Skies]

Well yeah

For me, I love to use meta and gut when reading people which is why it doesn't bug me too much

I can't do that. My gut is an idiot.

Gut becomes more effective the longer you play; it's important to differentiate when your gut is your subconscious pegging town/scum and when your gut is actually just paranoid turnings of your subconscious. I use it more than I announce, but learning to trust and fine-tune your gut is actually a decent skill in mafia AND real life.

I agree. I use it more in other aspects of my life. But my lack of experience and my gut insisting on tricking me into making bad moves in Mafia makes me want to ignore it.

However, I am using my gut pretty heavily on the Flammus wagon.

[Brian Skies]

The thing that bothers me most is the slot not being on the Verbs wagon. Cowardly play or missing the window of opportunity? I can't decide. But it's still enough to vote for Flammus.

[Nachomamma8]

there was already scum on it and hammering townies isn't always the best move as scum.

[Brian Skies]

there was already scum on it and hammering townies isn't always the best move as scum.

True, but it was an easy lynch. Anyone could have done it. I could have done it and claimed "newbiness" like lettersGaiden did in her first game.

[Nachomamma8]

If you did it and claimed newbiness I would lynch the everloving fuck out of you the next day. It also wouldn't surprise me if he was waiting for someone else to do his dirty work for him.

[Brian Skies]

If you did it and claimed newbiness I would lynch the everloving fuck out of you the next day. It also wouldn't surprise me if he was waiting for someone else to do his dirty work for him.

Thank everything cute and holy this didn't happen then.

[Brian Skies]

Is that L-2 or L-3 nacho

Should be L-2. I think it takes 4 to lynch with 7 people in the game.

The votes up to this point:
Titus : Shii
Flammus : Brian, Nacho

not voting : Verbs, Flammus, notscience, Titus

[Nachomamma8]

Howdy. I'm Flammus.
Sad to see I already got two votes on me. Anyhow, I'll be reading over these pages and get back to you.

interesting.

[Nachomamma8]

Prod modge

also completely disappeared when we were lynching his townread...

I wish I was a Pr.
Actually I don't. To much responsibility.
And I'm 50% sure that I didn't kill Bert.

you cheeky scumfuck ;[