Big Brother: HoH Mafia (We have a winner at last)

[Keybladewielder]

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[Voidedmafia]

Votecount 1.16:

BBmolla - peace, desp

Not Voting - Gnomeo, Bulb, BBmolla, Minions, keyblade, Toogeloo, Toasty, Titus, Imperium, blackberry, RachMarie

With 13 alive it takes 7 to elect an HoH. Currently, BBmolla will be nominated as he has the most votes.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-09-05 12:03:01) or by 11:00 AM on September 5th, 2013

[Toogeloo]

Vote: BBmolla

[Bulbazak]

I haven't liked your posts for awhile, which should be evident in my interactions with you. This is just the first time I've vocalized my scumread.

The whole "why is he scum" isn't too evident though. Mind clearing that up?

A lot of it is that his posts have pinged me on a gut level, but he's also been contradicting himself, criticizing plays or ideas and then using them later without any sort of follow through (or as Ffery would say, trajectory), and posting total gibberish on play mechanics instead of actual content (Check them, they don't make sense when examined closely.).

The Minions don't answer.

The vote for HoH was akin to a vote for a lynch. Keeping it on did NOT mean that they trusted Gnomeo, it did NOT mean that they wanted the day to end. It was an RVS vote. Why are you treating it like anything different?

I disagree with you there, but even if Minions was town and thought that was the case, he should have unvoted as soon as he realized that, which he didn't. At the very least, he should have given a reason for this when asked, but he ignored my questioning him on it until I FoS'd him, which he then called me opportunistic for doing. It's not the vote per se that I find suspicious, it's his actions surrounding the vote.

So... Minions/Gnomeo/Toogaloo/Imperium. No wonder I find this game boring. It's too easy.

P-edit: Yep. Definitely Imperium-scum.

Why do you think we are scum?

You are blatently ignoring what I'm saying and are seeking to discredit me and paint me scummy for arguments that you don't even care to properly counter. That's scum motivation, not town motivation.

No, it's generally your fault if you get stuck in theory discussion, not the game's.

I have this annoying habit of answering everything addressed to me. Shocking, I know.

You're tone is off...shocking I know.

What is "off" about it?

The whole "loose cannon" argument is an Appeal to Fear.

Not really, no.

Yes it is. And it's a misrep to boot.

this is stupid.

Hey, you used the term. Don't try to walk away and shrug it off when someone calls you out on it.

If by some weird chance you happen to be town this game, you have a terrible demeanor and should go to townie town town school. I teach classes every Tuesday night; feel free to sign up.

Why would I take town lessons from scum? That seems like a horrible idea.

I definitely think Bulba should be today's lynch, he'll semi prove Gnomeo is his buddy but not so much the other way around.

This sounds interesting. Explain.

You may be thinking of Toogaloo. That's okay. He's scum too.

Why do you think Toogeloo is scum? Because he disagrees with you?

No, because he's talking out of his rear and contradicting himself. Funny thing is everybody sees it and continues to call him town. It's frustrating.

You misrepresented my point by saying that I only wanted to sheep and I wanted a loose cannon HoH, which is not what I said at all.

I said you

might as well

sheep, not that you only wanted to sheep. That was not an accusation, that was me asking you to explain why your idea was any different from voting HoH as whoever you think has the best reads. And you're hung up on the word "loose cannon", which I haven't defined or put anything behind. Loose cannon is not tied down by the town's FoSes, which is exactly what you wanted, no?

The difference is that if I vote a town player for HoH, I can trust that they have town's best interest at heart, whether I agree with them or not. Just voting based on reads can be deceiving. Besides, my position has changed since then. I believe both town as a whole and the HoH should be accountable for the nominations, giving them 1 nom. each.

And the reason I have a problem with the term "loose cannon" is that it implies that I want someone for HoH that is not answerable to town and is difficult to reign in, which would not be in town's best interest at all. A "loose cannon" HoH would be anti-town at best. Therefore, using it to describe my position is a misrep with the purpose to discredit my position.

Having HoH only nominate the 2 most FoS suspects is essentially having a giant sheep for a HoH. In that case, it doesn't matter who you put up.

Unless you put up scum and they put up whoever the hell you want. Or you put up someone who doesn't agree with that and they put up whoever the hell you want. And yes, it is like having a giant sheep for an HoH. Why is that a problem?

It removes the accountability from the HoH.

Minions, Toogeloo, and Gnomeo are scum. If you'd have read my posts, you'd know why. I also don't agree with BBMolla being Town+. He's just not giving me the warm fuzzies this game.

You find Minions town for a reason that I think is absolutely trash (namely, his RVS vote). You actually haven't explained your Toogeloo vote, and we agree Gnomeo is scum so I don't know where that comes from. Why do you think Molla is scum?

My reasons for finding Minions

scum

are great. You just have your fingers in your ears going "La la la" and are seeking to constantly discredit me. I've explained why Toogeloo is scum. In the reads list that I quoted, you had Gnomeo as null, not scum. My point was that you needed to change that. And I never said that Molla was scum. I just don't think he's obv. town.

Jake from Rainbowdash,

Vanilla Townie

, evicted Day 1.

Rach, thoughts so far?

[RachMarie]

well that answers that they do have a kill....

It is probably x-shot. In You are Not Cats, we had a mafia 2 shot dayvig. (Johnny, HD, and I were the scumz in that game). So I would think for balance, that is the case here.

Next to Dashie and Jake, I trust my read on Imperium best. And Nacho is very good so I feel good about having them as the HoH

Still think Minions is scum.



VOTE: Imperium

[RachMarie]

My read on BB is not as strong, and I am not as sure he would if town pick correctly. My experiences with town BB is that it takes him a while to pick out the scumz.

[ToastyToast]

BBmolla is null for me at this point. I think he had some scummy reactions, but he's going back to the BBmolla I remember (we've played a few town games together). I don't trust him enough to give him HoH though.

As for Bulba and Gnomeo as nominations, I would support that.

Even though I think his multi-posts are hella annoying, I think Imperium's activity is a sign that he is town. Generally if someone is active scum, there posts will have a considerable amount of fluff. His don't. The fact that he's pushing alternative people to get information is also a plus.

Since blackberry HoH is looking like it won't happen, I propose Imperium HoH.

unvote:vote:Imperium

[ToastyToast]

rofl I didn't even notice RachMarie's vote right before me

[Bulbazak]

Vote Blackberry

Rach, answer my question.

[Imperium]

IMperium, I haven't disappeared. There really has been jack squat to interact to...whatever, think what you like

vote BBMolla

There's been enough to give us something, but you haven't. In particular, you can tell us why you thought there was scum in people who weren't voting for HoH.

[BBmolla]

If I get elected I'm throwing Bulba/Gnomeo

@Bulba: If we lynch Gnomeo and he flips scum, it'll just be you going "Look how right I was! I must be town!" If we lynch you and you flip scum, it basically confirms Gnomeo as scum.

[Imperium]

(or as Ffery would say, trajectory)

Good trajectory is a consistent thought process that makes a lot of sense. Bad trajectory is a thought process that doesn't. I would appreciate quotes with this Toogeloo suspicion, though.

I disagree with you there, but even if Minions was town and thought that was the case, he should have unvoted as soon as he realized that, which he didn't.

What part of "it was an RVS vote so it's not that big of a deal that he didn't freak out about it" do you not understand?

You are blatently ignoring what I'm saying and are seeking to discredit me and paint me scummy for arguments that you don't even care to properly counter. That's scum motivation, not town motivation.

I've listened to what you've said. Tammy's blah blah blahed you and let me handle responding to you, but we clearly aren't ignoring you. We have properly countered arguments; I can quote them all if you'd like me to.

Hey, you used the term. Don't try to walk away and shrug it off when someone calls you out on it.

I used the phrase "loose cannon". You took that phrase and made it out like I was saying you wanted a crazy unpredictable motherfucker to come ruin town. That is not what I said. I said the words "loose cannon". I also explained that later, why did you ignore that?

And the reason I have a problem with the term "loose cannon" is that it implies that I want someone for HoH that is not answerable to town and is difficult to reign in, which would not be in town's best interest at all.

No, that was a definition that was your own creation.

It removes the accountability from the HoH.

Why does it matter if the HoH is accountable or not? I assume if you're putting him up on the throne you're already reading him as town, so.

In the reads list that I quoted, you had Gnomeo as null, not scum.

baby we had gnomeo in the "leftovers" pile when everyone not in the leftovers pile was town.
that means scum.

[Imperium]

@Bulba: If we lynch Gnomeo and he flips scum, it'll just be you going "Look how right I was! I must be town!" If we lynch you and you flip scum, it basically confirms Gnomeo as scum.

I feel much more confident about Gnomeo scum. Bulbazak feels like he could possibly be the one townie out of step with everyone else; Gnomeo pops up, says something useless, JRBD gets shot, and I want him dead now.

[Imperium]

Bulba Town --> Gnomeo Scum
Bulba Scum --> Gnomeo Scum

Gnomeo Scum --> Bulba Scum?
Gnomeo Town --> Reads are shit, reanalyze.

[Imperium]

Desperado, your reads so far have been: Molla town, Titus scum, Rach Scum, Bulb scum. Can you start talking about your reads a bit more and all the rest I'm hoping and praying you have by now?

[Minions]

VOTE: Imperium

We're more confident in this. Also, we will provide more content later on. We've been busy irl.

[PeaceBringer]

IMperium, I haven't disappeared. There really has been jack squat to interact to...whatever, think what you like

vote BBMolla

There's been enough to give us something, but you haven't. In particular, you can tell us why you thought there was scum in people who weren't voting for HoH.

I despise lurkers and people who do not engage. Period. I will go after such in any given game. Right now I also despise the fact that Jake was killed off. I am perfectly fine with the thoughts. I don't do the read blah blah blah crap. Not sure how to play my way. Feel free to insert me into the 2 nominated at anytime.

[Toogeloo]

Well now, that's quite the appeal.

[PeaceBringer]

Well now, that's quite the appeal.

I am playing the game out, I won't replace out. But this game is not pulling me in. Fact.

[Bulbazak]

@Bulba: If we lynch Gnomeo and he flips scum, it'll just be you going "Look how right I was! I must be town!" If we lynch you and you flip scum, it basically confirms Gnomeo as scum.

I never state that I'm town. It's too much WIFOM, and it's essentially a useless statement. If Gnomeo is lynched and flips scum, my first course of action would be to go after the Minions.

(or as Ffery would say, trajectory)

Good trajectory is a consistent thought process that makes a lot of sense. Bad trajectory is a thought process that doesn't. I would appreciate quotes with this Toogeloo suspicion, though.

But jake is also onto you and your scumbuddy Titus so while you try to seize controlling influence on the game you might want to actually do something pro town first.

Jake hasn't given a scumread on me as far as I've read. You may be thinking of Toogaloo. That's okay. He's scum too.

This is the first time I stated it in thread. I had been thinking it for awhile, though.

I disagree with you there, but even if Minions was town and thought that was the case, he should have unvoted as soon as he realized that, which he didn't.

What part of "it was an RVS vote so it's not that big of a deal that he didn't freak out about it" do you not understand?

And what part of "I think it is fake" do you not understand? Minions voted and then subsequently did a "Oops, my bad." by publicly stating that he forgot what the votes did in this game, and then he... left his vote where it was. Yep, he essentially stated that he now remembered what the votes did and left his vote for HoH on a "random" person. You know what the first thing I did after this happened? I asked him why he was willing to leave his vote on a random person. He never responded. I asked at least one more time, but he still didn't respond. It wasn't until I FoS'd him that he said anything at all, and that was only to call my FoS opportunistic. And do you know what the kicker is? People started townreading him for his "mistake", which I think was the entire reason for him to do that in the first place.

Hey, you used the term. Don't try to walk away and shrug it off when someone calls you out on it.

I used the phrase "loose cannon". You took that phrase and made it out like I was saying you wanted a crazy unpredictable motherfucker to come ruin town. That is not what I said. I said the words "loose cannon". I also explained that later, why did you ignore that?

And the reason I have a problem with the term "loose cannon" is that it implies that I want someone for HoH that is not answerable to town and is difficult to reign in, which would not be in town's best interest at all.

No, that was a definition that was your own creation.

The term "loose cannon" has 2 connotations, and since this is not an action movie, and we don't have some hotshot detective, the term can only be perceived one way. It is not "a definition of my own creation", rather, it is what the term actually implies. Why would you use such a term to characterize my position in the first place?

It removes the accountability from the HoH.

Why does it matter if the HoH is accountable or not? I assume if you're putting him up on the throne you're already reading him as town, so.

True, but we don't know for sure that the HoH is town or not. We need to be able to question the HoH if they make a questionable or strange choice, which will lead to more information, which is always good for town. Removing that accountability from the HoH removes that information that the town could have received, and such information could have been vital.

baby we had gnomeo in the "leftovers" pile when everyone not in the leftovers pile was town.
that means scum.

Why didn't you say "scum" then?

IMperium, I haven't disappeared. There really has been jack squat to interact to...whatever, think what you like

vote BBMolla

There's been enough to give us something, but you haven't. In particular, you can tell us why you thought there was scum in people who weren't voting for HoH.

I despise lurkers and people who do not engage. Period. I will go after such in any given game. Right now I also despise the fact that Jake was killed off. I am perfectly fine with the thoughts. I don't do the read blah blah blah crap. Not sure how to play my way. Feel free to insert me into the 2 nominated at anytime.

I hate this game...

[RachMarie]

Which question? I missed it somehow?

[PeaceBringer]

bulb- say scum about what?

[Bulbazak]

Which question? I missed it somehow?

Rach, thoughts so far?

bulb- say scum about what?

I don't follow.

[PeaceBringer]

Which question? I missed it somehow?

Rach, thoughts so far?

bulb- say scum about what?

I don't follow.

In what you just posted, you quoted me and asked "Why not scum then" I don't get it.

[Bulbazak]

Does your computer put the parts of the post in the wrong order? That was in response to Imperium. I responded to you with a gif, which pretty much sums up my feelings on your post.