Big Brother: HoH Mafia (We have a winner at last)

[BBmolla]

I really don't care, Gnomeo can go first. They're both scum anyway.

[PeaceBringer]

Does your computer put the parts of the post in the wrong order? That was in response to Imperium. I responded to you with a gif, which pretty much sums up my feelings on your post.

no, just didn't "get it" I guess. See title.

[RachMarie]

Thoughts so far are Imperium and the late Jake n Dashie are my strongest town reads...

I think Minions is scum...

How did you miss that Bulb?

[BBmolla]

Rach Jake is dead

[Voidedmafia]

Votecount 1.17:

BBmolla - peace, desp, Toogeloo
Imperium - Rach, Toasty, Minions
Black - Bulb

Not Voting - Gnomeo, BBmolla, keyblade, Titus, Imperium, blackberry

With 13 alive it takes 7 to elect an HoH. Currently, BBmolla will be nominated as he was given 3 nominations first.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-09-05 12:03:01) or by 11:00 AM on September 5th, 2013

[RachMarie]

I know that BB and he flipped town like I thought he might. I said that a while back though so was wondering why Bulb was asking for something I said already.

[Desperado]

Desperado, your reads so far have been: Molla town, Titus scum, Rach Scum, Bulb scum. Can you start talking about your reads a bit more and all the rest I'm hoping and praying you have by now?

Titus and molla reads come from their early interaction; Rach for being generally useless/unengaged, asking self-evident questions, talking about irrelevant previous games to an unnecessary extent, and lying about our meta together; Bulb because he isn't being proactive at all and is already resorting to buzzword bingo.

Your content has been informative and pro-town, mainly 164 and your KBTown case in 461.

Toog and Toast looked town last I thought about it

Minions, peace, Gnomeo, blackberry are null in order.

[Voidedmafia]

Blackberry and Titus have been prodded.

[Bulbazak]

Thoughts so far are Imperium and the late Jake n Dashie are my strongest town reads...

I think Minions is scum...

How did you miss that Bulb?

It was buried in the daykill spec. I thought it was just part of that.

Bulb because he isn't being proactive at all and is already resorting to buzzword bingo.

Bulb has been bored and has been playing elsewhere. Also, the buzzword bingo accusation makes me laugh every time I see it.

[Desperado]

Bulb has been bored and has been playing elsewhere. Also, the buzzword bingo accusation makes me laugh every time I see it.

It's true though. Your responses to Imperium in 478 were empty words. "Buzzword bingo" was just shorthand for "I don't think Bulb really believes anything he's saying"

[Bulbazak]

What in particular makes you think that?

[Desperado]

I haven't liked your posts for awhile, which should be evident in my interactions with you. This is just the first time I've vocalized my scumread.

The whole "why is he scum" isn't too evident though. Mind clearing that up?

A lot of it is that his posts have pinged me on a gut level, but he's also been contradicting himself, criticizing plays or ideas and then using them later without any sort of follow through (or as Ffery would say, trajectory), and posting total gibberish on play mechanics instead of actual content (Check them, they don't make sense when examined closely.).

The Minions don't answer.

The vote for HoH was akin to a vote for a lynch. Keeping it on did NOT mean that they trusted Gnomeo, it did NOT mean that they wanted the day to end. It was an RVS vote. Why are you treating it like anything different?

I disagree with you there, but even if Minions was town and thought that was the case, he should have unvoted as soon as he realized that, which he didn't. At the very least, he should have given a reason for this when asked, but he ignored my questioning him on it until I FoS'd him, which he then called me opportunistic for doing. It's not the vote per se that I find suspicious, it's his actions surrounding the vote.

So... Minions/Gnomeo/Toogaloo/Imperium. No wonder I find this game boring. It's too easy.

P-edit: Yep. Definitely Imperium-scum.

Why do you think we are scum?

You are blatently ignoring what I'm saying and are seeking to discredit me and paint me scummy for arguments that you don't even care to properly counter. That's scum motivation, not town motivation.

The whole "loose cannon" argument is an Appeal to Fear.

Not really, no.

Yes it is. And it's a misrep to boot.

this is stupid.

Hey, you used the term. Don't try to walk away and shrug it off when someone calls you out on it.

Why would I take town lessons from scum? That seems like a horrible idea.

I definitely think Bulba should be today's lynch, he'll semi prove Gnomeo is his buddy but not so much the other way around.

This sounds interesting. Explain.

You may be thinking of Toogaloo. That's okay. He's scum too.

Why do you think Toogeloo is scum? Because he disagrees with you?

No, because he's talking out of his rear and contradicting himself. Funny thing is everybody sees it and continues to call him town. It's frustrating.

You misrepresented my point by saying that I only wanted to sheep and I wanted a loose cannon HoH, which is not what I said at all.

I said you

might as well

sheep, not that you only wanted to sheep. That was not an accusation, that was me asking you to explain why your idea was any different from voting HoH as whoever you think has the best reads. And you're hung up on the word "loose cannon", which I haven't defined or put anything behind. Loose cannon is not tied down by the town's FoSes, which is exactly what you wanted, no?

The difference is that if I vote a town player for HoH, I can trust that they have town's best interest at heart, whether I agree with them or not. Just voting based on reads can be deceiving. Besides, my position has changed since then. I believe both town as a whole and the HoH should be accountable for the nominations, giving them 1 nom. each.

And the reason I have a problem with the term "loose cannon" is that it implies that I want someone for HoH that is not answerable to town and is difficult to reign in, which would not be in town's best interest at all. A "loose cannon" HoH would be anti-town at best. Therefore, using it to describe my position is a misrep with the purpose to discredit my position.

Having HoH only nominate the 2 most FoS suspects is essentially having a giant sheep for a HoH. In that case, it doesn't matter who you put up.

Unless you put up scum and they put up whoever the hell you want. Or you put up someone who doesn't agree with that and they put up whoever the hell you want. And yes, it is like having a giant sheep for an HoH. Why is that a problem?

It removes the accountability from the HoH.

Minions, Toogeloo, and Gnomeo are scum. If you'd have read my posts, you'd know why. I also don't agree with BBMolla being Town+. He's just not giving me the warm fuzzies this game.

You find Minions town for a reason that I think is absolutely trash (namely, his RVS vote). You actually haven't explained your Toogeloo vote, and we agree Gnomeo is scum so I don't know where that comes from. Why do you think Molla is scum?

My reasons for finding Minions

scum

are great. You just have your fingers in your ears going "La la la" and are seeking to constantly discredit me. I've explained why Toogeloo is scum. In the reads list that I quoted, you had Gnomeo as null, not scum. My point was that you needed to change that. And I never said that Molla was scum. I just don't think he's obv. town.

[Desperado]

^pretty much everything you said above read like you going through the motions. The 3rd and 4th comments were particularly bad.

[Bulbazak]

Yeah, that's what I thought. It's hard to defend against feelings.

[Desperado]

Sucks rights?

[Bulbazak]

Meh. What are you going to do?

[Minions]

Hello, just popping in to represent the team briefly.

Imperium has to be elected HoH, you can always tell when nacho is town cos he tries. And his analysis has been by far the most comprehensive.

Bulba, Titus, gnomeo and desperado are on my own scum list. Desp is seeming to be similar to [redacted] which I will be able to discuss only when that game ends, but I'm seeing a similarity none the less.

Rachmarie is a source of arguement amongst the heads, cos one of the minions is defending her closed minded and meta reliance approach to scumhunting while several others find her a likely liability if she is town. That debate is still ongoing so she remains null for the time being.

~ Jerry

[Voidedmafia]

Try not to discuss ongoing games.

[Bulbazak]

"A likely liability"? Rach helped break the game in town's favor in Slimey Near Vanilla. If she's town, she will be useful, and we want to keep her around.

[Titus]

Sorry I was sick. Catching up now.

[Titus]

@Mod: All the votes for HoH have been reset? Was this deliberate?

VOTE: Jake from Rainbow Dash

I think if the resetting of the votes was deliberate, that suggests the scums don't want Jake as the HoH. I'm inclined to work against the scums.

[Titus]

Derp. I reread. Jake is dead.

[Titus]

I think we should try and nominate someone who thought like Jake from Rainbow Dash considering he's known town. That eliminates me (but let's be real here I've pissed off enough people where I'm out of the running anyway).

I like Imperium as town. Molla was a scum read of mine and I still can't put him as town yet. So...

VOTE: Imperium

[PeaceBringer]

vote imperium...

:shrug:

[Voidedmafia]

Bump