Mini 1486: Fruit Basket Mafia (Game Over)

[Slandaar]

You want to explain why you answered in his place?

?

[Desperado]

The dumb reaction test + "I'll deal with you [Desperado] tomorrow" hammer doesn't seem like a scum buddy hammer to me at all. If there was one on/one off then I think the one on was earlier.

You want to explain why you answered in his place?

I already did. It was a dumb reaction test that didn't serve any purpose.

[StubbsKVM]

The dumb reaction test + "I'll deal with you [Desperado] tomorrow" hammer doesn't seem like a scum buddy hammer to me at all. If there was one on/one off then I think the one on was earlier.

You want to explain why you answered in his place?

I already did. It was a dumb reaction test that didn't serve any purpose.

It has worked for me before.

It still doesn't explain Why you answered in his place.

[Desperado]

Then I guess that's going to go unexplained

[Slandaar]

Desp - Gee Gee?

[mnemonicdevice]

Where did buffy go? It doesn't seem right that he was one of our most active players d1 and now suddenly has fallen silent. What makes it even worse is that she's a hydra, so both players aren't posting.

What is everyone elses opinion on buffy?

[Buffy vs Dracula]

Excuse you, Mnem. I've been busy these past few days. And I have no idea where Drac's been this week. Honestly, I feel like I'm sort of shouldering the weight of this operation.

Desperado's 291 strikes me as a tiny bit weird coming from him.

(there was no kill)

VOTE: buffy vs dracula

the person who tried to steer the lynch away from the mafia pr is probably a mafia

Funny... I don't seem to recall steering the lynch away from the mafia PR.

You yourself called me out on how passively I was pushing Fish's wagon. I had an opportunity to push after Slandaar changed his vote and I didn't. If you want to say I was being wishy-washy and parking my vote on you, go ahead. But there isn't really a case to be made in terms of

Wow. Two vots on Buffy right away

Why your vote on him Elyse?

I've already explained why they are scummy and

since FF/ASP don't seem like buddies

then Buffy is the best bet.

Didn't you express doubt when I said that they couldn't be buddies D1?

[Elyse]

I didn't express doubt. I asked why and found your answer valid.

[Kid A]

Excuse you, Mnem. I've been busy these past few days. And I have no idea where Drac's been this week. Honestly, I feel like I'm sort of shouldering the weight of this operation.

Desperado's 291 strikes me as a tiny bit weird coming from him.

(there was no kill)

VOTE: buffy vs dracula

the person who tried to steer the lynch away from the mafia pr is probably a mafia

Funny... I don't seem to recall steering the lynch away from the mafia PR.

lol

And yes-- Formerfish's behavior is weirding me out as well. Primarily because he went from buddying ASP to voting ASP. I think he's being much scummier than ASP, actually.

--Buffy

I also do see the concern about ASP, and am not opposed to a lynch on the spot (Buffy might feel differently). I don't think his posts makes sense as either alignment, especially his #171 is just ...I just don't get it. The only thing that makes me hesitate is that I read him as newb town at the beginning, and I've seen newbs saying the weirdest stuff making them beheaded before.

[StubbsKVM]

Then I guess that's going to go unexplained

This is going to stick on you until the end of this game. You better have some awesome reads.

[Buffy vs Dracula]

Excuse you, Mnem. I've been busy these past few days. And I have no idea where Drac's been this week. Honestly, I feel like I'm sort of shouldering the weight of this operation.

You are :,-E
I has very busy and weird things suddenly going on in meat world.
However, I will have the time to catch up in the morning - promise! <3

[Buffy vs Dracula]

-Drac

[UberKang]

I think the second scum's someone who hasn't been around very often. Someone who maybe forgot to submit a NK vote because of this. Someone like...
VOTE: Gee Gee

I don't approve of the BvD wagon and will be reviewing its supporters later on today. Looks pretty opportunistic to me.

[Elyse]

Are you assuming there are 2 scum? Because typically there are three and one inactive player wouldn't matter as long as the other teammate is active. And why are you assuming someone forgot to submit a NK? What about doctors, jailkeepers, roleblockers, bulletproofs, etc.?

That's a really bad vote actually. Gee Gee is a fine vote because she's done nothing all game but your reasons are bad and it just seems like you want to keep your hands clean of the Buffy wagon.

[Buffy vs Dracula]

Drac thought ASP was lynch-worthy. I didn't. Barring RVS, we only place our vote on someone if we agree that they're scum. We were both willing to put a vote on you. I wasn't willing to lynch a guy whose behaviors I found weird but not alignment-indicative. I hate being the hydra dissonance guy, but it's the truth.

And saying that Fish was scummier than ASP hardly counts as steering the wagon.

I didn't express doubt. I asked why and found your answer valid.

You never said you agreed with me after the "why" in 196 so I assumed you still disagreed. (The assumption you disagreed based on you putting both Fish and ASP into your scumpile earlier, since I know that'll be your follow-up question.)

[Buffy vs Dracula]

I think the second scum's someone who hasn't been around very often. Someone who maybe forgot to submit a NK vote because of this. Someone like...
VOTE: Gee Gee

I don't approve of the BvD wagon and will be reviewing its supporters later on today. Looks pretty opportunistic to me.

...oh man. Let's go over everything wrong with this vote, alright?

1. You're assuming that there's just one scum left-- although I'd infer that in a game of this size, there would be a three-man scumteam.

2. The absence of a nightkill is more likely due to a doc or a jailkeeper or something than non-submission.

3. Why Gee Gee? Mnem hasn't posted much either, nor has Alex. And even if we assume Gee Gee is the scummiest...

4. Sticking your vote on an inactive player isn't going to make them more active.

So basically this vote is awful for lots of reasons.

--Buffy (both this and the previous)

[mnemonicdevice]

How do we know that there are only 2 mafia?

[Elyse]

Drac thought ASP was lynch-worthy. I didn't. Barring RVS, we only place our vote on someone if we agree that they're scum. We were both willing to put a vote on you. I wasn't willing to lynch a guy whose behaviors I found weird but not alignment-indicative. I hate being the hydra dissonance guy, but it's the truth.

And saying that Fish was scummier than ASP hardly counts as steering the wagon.

I didn't express doubt. I asked why and found your answer valid.

You never said you agreed with me after the "why" in 196 so I assumed you still disagreed. (The assumption you disagreed based on you putting both Fish and ASP into your scumpile earlier, since I know that'll be your follow-up question.)

It's scummy that you are already thinking about my answers to your questions. That's something town isn't worried about and scum is.

And yes Fish and ASP were both scummy but I wasn't going to rule either one out until one flipped scum.

[Formerfish]

With your post saying there was no cult presence in town I figured was legit because cult is generally a specialized role and that the mod would have divulged that info pregame.

OK, so if the mod divulged said info pregame did you see it written somewhere? where/when did you anticipate it to be divulged exactly?

Two posts later Elyse comes in with a much shorter post loosely emulating your post. I was curious about her statement though since in the games I've played elsewhere it always seems like a jester popping up is very likely. Or at very least someone is posturing that they could be one to allow themselves to act in a certain way and not get lynched. Ending the post with a "You're welcome" kinda tries to plant the seed in our minds that she was really helping when in fact she could have simply not been.

OK... I suppose, so, maybe that information was divulged pregame along with the cult information you have assumed was divulged pregame?

I assume there was some sort of post that explained the setup, I never saw it because I was told to sign up for this game by another player on the site. And not to try and divert attention from this little snag, but is any of this really relevant to the game at hand?

Wow. Two vots on Buffy right away
Why your vote on him Elyse?

Where did buffy go? It doesn't seem right that he was one of our most active players d1 and now suddenly has fallen silent. What makes it even worse is that she's a hydra, so both players aren't posting.
What is everyone elses opinion on buffy?

That's two posts in a very short period of time where you are fishing for reads on Buffy. Do you find Buffy suspect at all? Do you think that at this point in the game scum would intentionally go silent?

Then I guess that's going to go unexplained

This is going to stick on you until the end of this game. You better have some awesome reads.

Ok, so let's try and examine what you could be getting at with this line of questioning. Desperado had a vote placed on ASP before he was replaced. ASP is replaced but not before he claimed VT. You attempt to elicit a contradictory response from Lucky as to his role. Desperado kinda cock blocks you and robs you of whatever answer was going to come. Do you think that Desperado had a vote parked on his scumbuddy, and then prevented Lucky from potentially screwing up his claim?

I think the second scum's someone who hasn't been around very often. Someone who maybe forgot to submit a NK vote because of this. Someone like...
VOTE: Gee Gee
I don't approve of the BvD wagon and will be reviewing its supporters later on today. Looks pretty opportunistic to me.

Could you explain how the train on Buffy looks opportunistic? What can you discern from looking at the people on his train right now?

How do we know that there are only 2 mafia?

We don't, and it probably isn't true.

[Slandaar]

I assume there was some sort of post that explained the setup, I never saw it because I was told to sign up for this game by another player on the site. And not to try and divert attention from this little snag, but is any of this really relevant to the game at hand?

Very much so.

Let us think about this, you are suggesting I made a post declaring it an important announcement and stating that there are no cultists in the game when you also believe there is a post which explained the setup.

Why then, would I make such a big deal about it when it is public information?

And if you believe this post exists, why would your opinion on Elyses announcement be different to your opinion on my post?
(you don't need to answer)

[Buffy vs Dracula]

(there was no kill)

VOTE: buffy vs dracula

the person who tried to steer the lynch away from the mafia pr is probably a mafia

I disagree that we tried to steer the lynch away, and I actually thought ASP was a good lynch, probably one of the best. However, we were one of the few really considering ASP could be town, cause his posts was just confusing from every angle. I'd expect scum to bus him in the position he was in, it was quite obvious he was the better lynch target all over.

Wow. Two vots on Buffy right away

Why your vote on him Elyse?

Do you find it shocking? *pouts*

Votecount #6

Kid A - 3 (pdmedic, A Simple Plan, Buffy VS Dracula)
Formerfish - 1 (Slandaar)
Elyse - 1 (UberKang)
A Simple Plan - 7 (Formerfish, Elyse, Desperado, Kid A, Alexcellent, MnemonicDevice, StubbsKVM)

With

13

alive it's

7

to lynch.

Remaining scum are {pdmedic, Buffy, Kang} and {Elyse, Kid A, Alexcellent, mnemonicdevice)

Based on ASP/Lucky's interactions with others, it's probably not pdmedic (RVS vote + justifying later) or Kid A (59)

What is your thoughts on Gee Gee and Fishy?

Where did buffy go? It doesn't seem right that he was one of our most active players d1 and now suddenly has fallen silent. What makes it even worse is that she's a hydra, so both players aren't posting.

What is everyone elses opinion on buffy?

We were? What do you mean about "not right"?
Also, why so interested in what everyone else thinks of us and not give a stance yourself?
Again, I've been a shit hydra partner, and overly busy in my grave.

Are you assuming there are 2 scum? Because typically there are three and one inactive player wouldn't matter as long as the other teammate is active. And why are you assuming someone forgot to submit a NK? What about doctors, jailkeepers, roleblockers, bulletproofs, etc.?

That's a really bad vote actually. Gee Gee is a fine vote because she's done nothing all game but your reasons are bad and it just

seems like you want to keep your hands clean of the Buffy wagon

.

Why would his hands be clean in your eyes when you seem to think of us as scum? *squints*

It's scummy that you are already thinking about my answers to your questions. That's something town isn't worried about and scum is.

And yes Fish and ASP were both scummy but I wasn't going to rule either one out until one flipped scum.

Lol, no, it's time saving.

---

*hums*
I think Elyse and mnenenmnemn makes my hair stand a bit.

I hope moar players wake up from their respecitve graves soon.

Have I missed why it seems to be popular to view ASP and Fishy as not scummates?

-Drac >:E

[Slandaar]

Because Buffy said so.

Nice to know the two of you are not discussing things though.

[Elyse]

Because God forbid you flip town then UberKang looks scummy. I'm not going to ignore that type of thing just because I have a scumread on you.

[Buffy vs Dracula]

Elyse, I hardly think that taking the questions you asked to their logical conclusions is scummy. Drac's being more blunt than I am, but methinks there's a bit of confirmation bias going on here.

Because Buffy said so.

Nice to know the two of you are not discussing things though.

Hey, it's not

my

fault that

somebody

isn't looking at our QT. >:0(

Anyway... I've currently got the scum down to Kid A and Mnem. Drac's a bit more confused than I am atm what with him being a luuUUuuUUuuRRrrkKker but we both seem to agree on that. (I'd ask Drac to place the vote but I don't think he can spell mnem's name.)

VOTE: mnemonicdevice

--Buffy

[mnemonicdevice]

Where did buffy go? It doesn't seem right that he was one of our most active players d1 and now suddenly has fallen silent. What makes it even worse is that she's a hydra, so both players aren't posting.

What is everyone elses opinion on buffy?

We were? What do you mean about "not right"?
Also, why so interested in what everyone else thinks of us and not give a stance yourself?
Again, I've been a shit hydra partner, and overly busy in my grave.

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Alright. My opinion is that you aren't very scummy, I just found it suspicious that both of you weren't posting. IF you continued to not post, I would have brought attention to your lurking.