Big Brother: HoH Mafia (We have a winner at last)

[Voidedmafia]

Votecount 1.18:

BBmolla - peace, desp, Toogeloo
Imperium - Rach, Toasty, Minions, Titus
Black - Bulb

Not Voting - Gnomeo, BBmolla, keyblade, Imperium, blackberry

With 13 alive it takes 7 to elect an HoH. Currently, Imperiums will be nominated as they have the most votes.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-09-05 12:03:01) or by 11:00 AM on September 5th, 2013

The vote in post 523 is not counted as per Rule 5c.

[PeaceBringer]

so annoying

Unvote bbmolla vote imperium...

I don't care

[RachMarie]

Peace you just put it on a separate line like

vote blah blah blah

(the above is not a real vote)

[Titus]

Yeah, put it on a separate line using the

or VOTE: tags.

VOTE: Imperium

That's how it should come out if you use the vote tags.

[Titus]

Forgot disabling code.

VOTE: Imperium

[Imperium]

I'm all good with being head of household, cuz like our name says we should and all, but please don't vote us in if that's what other want just yet. I haven't talked to nacho in a couple days. I know that we definitely will put up gnomeo, but nacho's starting to have doubts about bulbazack scum and we need to talk.

[Imperium]

So... Minions/Gnomeo/Toogaloo/Imperium. No wonder I find this game boring. It's too easy.

P-edit: Yep. Definitely Imperium-scum.

Why do you think we are scum?[/quote]

You are blatently ignoring what I'm saying and are seeking to discredit me and paint me scummy for arguments that you don't even care to properly counter. That's scum motivation, not town motivation.[/vote]

I realize my other head responded to this, but this is a blatant lie. We're discussing more things with you than we are anyone else, that is the opposite of ignoring. Furthermore, we are not seeking to discredit you, you do that all by yourself with almost everything you post, you don't need help from us. We also don't have to paint you as scummy, you are bringing that on yourself. And part of your arguments are silly and are nothing but blather.

No, it's generally your fault if you get stuck in theory discussion, not the game's.

I have this annoying habit of answering everything addressed to me. Shocking, I know.

You're tone is off...shocking I know.

What is "off" about it?

When someone says the sky is blue do you ask what's blue about it?

You don't sound town.

The whole "loose cannon" argument is an Appeal to Fear.

Not really, no.

Yes it is. And it's a misrep to boot.

this is stupid.

Hey, you used the term. Don't try to walk away and shrug it off when someone calls you out on it.

This is utterly ridiculous. You made the dumb appeal to buzzword. There was nothing not even a little remotely appealing to fear in nacho's description of you. He said not really, meaning that what he said was not an appeal to fear. Then you decided to add onto it with the hilariously dumb, and a misrep to boot. You are using terms that you don't understand and you should stop.

You misrepresented my point by saying that I only wanted to sheep and I wanted a loose cannon HoH, which is not what I said at all.

I said you

might as well

sheep, not that you only wanted to sheep. That was not an accusation, that was me asking you to explain why your idea was any different from voting HoH as whoever you think has the best reads. And you're hung up on the word "loose cannon", which I haven't defined or put anything behind. Loose cannon is not tied down by the town's FoSes, which is exactly what you wanted, no?

The difference is that if I vote a town player for HoH, I can trust that they have town's best interest at heart, whether I agree with them or not. Just voting based on reads can be deceiving. Besides, my position has changed since then. I believe both town as a whole and the HoH should be accountable for the nominations, giving them 1 nom. each.

And the reason I have a problem with the term "loose cannon" is that it implies that I want someone for HoH that is not answerable to town and is difficult to reign in, which would not be in town's best interest at all. A "loose cannon" HoH would be anti-town at best. Therefore, using it to describe my position is a misrep with the purpose to discredit my position.

The difference is that if you are town, then you don't know anyone else's alignment for sure. So, you can't actually be sure people have the town's best interest at heart. Take for instance your reads. You're calling us scum, and as I know you're wrong on that, I have a huge problem with your suggestion. I also find your vote on Blackberry interesting because of the issue that was brought up about Blackberry by JakeDash, who are confirmed town and were killed. You're not taking other things into account for your reads and you're plodding along as if you have this game solved. It should be really really clear to you that you don't, but you're walking around with this attitude like you're right when you're not. If you are town, you need to recognize that you actually need to start working with town.

[Bulbazak]

I realize my other head responded to this, but this is a blatant lie. We're discussing more things with you than we are anyone else, that is the opposite of ignoring.

Just because you're responding to me doesn't mean you're listening to what I have to say. In fact, your responses prove the opposite.

And part of your arguments are silly and are nothing but blather.

Case in point.

No, it's generally your fault if you get stuck in theory discussion, not the game's.

I have this annoying habit of answering everything addressed to me. Shocking, I know.

You're tone is off...shocking I know.

What is "off" about it?

When someone says the sky is blue do you ask what's blue about it?

You don't sound town.

I'm sorry. I thought you actually had some reasoning behind your statement, and I was curious as to what it was. I was mistaken.

The difference is that if you are town, then you don't know anyone else's alignment for sure. So, you can't actually be sure people have the town's best interest at heart.

If they are a strong townread and I vote them for HoH, I'm trusting that they're town and have the town's best interest at heart. We never know if our reads are right or not, but we trust that they are. Therefore, this "you can't actually know their alignment" bull crap is a fallacious argument and can go die in a hole.

You're calling us scum, and as I know you're wrong on that, I have a huge problem with your suggestion.

Wait... My scumread says they are town. That changes everything!

I also find your vote on Blackberry interesting because of the issue that was brought up about Blackberry by JakeDash, who are confirmed town and were killed.

What does Dash's reads have to do with anything? Are you saying they can't be wrong on something? I have a different read than them on Blackberry. Deal with it.

You're not taking other things into account for your reads and you're plodding along as if you have this game solved.

I'm not sure this game

is

solved. In fact, I feel as if I have less of a footing in this game than before. I'm just trusting that my strongest reads are correct and then sort it out later after I have some more information.

If you are town, you need to recognize that you actually need to start working with town.

The problem is that I'm not for sure who is town, and a majority of those that I do think are town want to lynch me. So pardon me if I'm not exactly trusting.

[Imperium]

I realize my other head responded to this, but this is a blatant lie. We're discussing more things with you than we are anyone else, that is the opposite of ignoring.

Just because you're responding to me doesn't mean you're listening to what I have to say. In fact, your responses prove the opposite.

No, it actually really really does. That's like exactly what that means. What you mean to criticize us for is not agreeing with you.

And part of your arguments are silly and are nothing but blather.

Case in point.

Well, don't be silly. Or you know maybe accept the fact that you're talking to seasoned players who have dealt with complex setups and are giving practiced reasons for how town can most benefit and then step backand go oh maybe they're making sense. Or you can blather some more and have no one listen to you. It's pretty much your choice here.

The difference is that if you are town, then you don't know anyone else's alignment for sure. So, you can't actually be sure people have the town's best interest at heart.

If they are a strong townread and I vote them for HoH, I'm trusting that they're town and have the town's best interest at heart. We never know if our reads are right or not, but we trust that they are. Therefore, this "you can't actually know their alignment" bull crap is a fallacious argument and can go die in a hole.

More blathering. Your strong town read could be scum, and you're hoping that they have towns best interests at heart when you could be wrong. Furthermore, even if you're right and your strong town read is town and has towns best interests at heart, they can be wrong in their reads. The HOH does not need accountability that way. We need an hoh who is going to put up who town wants them to put up so that we maximize our chances for lynching scum.

I also find your vote on Blackberry interesting because of the issue that was brought up about Blackberry by JakeDash, who are confirmed town and were killed.

What does Dash's reads have to do with anything? Are you saying they can't be wrong on something? I have a different read than them on Blackberry. Deal with it.

You make statements like this and then you wonder why I'm calling your points silly and saying you're a blathered. You are aware that this is a game of mafia right? I hate to inform you of this but mafia is a team game. One of the things about working as part of the team is listening to each other. So, when someone dies and is confirmed town, their reads hold some merit. Of course they could be wrong on blackberry. But so could you. You're refusing to take into account new information and acting like you have this game solved all by yourself, which I promise you you very much do not.

If you are town, you need to recognize that you actually need to start working with town.

The problem is that I'm not for sure who is town, and a majority of those that I do think are town want to lynch me. So pardon me if I'm not exactly trusting.

What does that tell you? Maybe it's possible you have things wrong. Maybe it's possible the way you're arguing things is not coming across as town. Maybe it's possible the reasoning you have for things isn't jiving with the rest of town and instead of working with town you seem to be actively working against us and our interests.

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Imperium

Let's lynch please I don't want to hear Bulba blither on for decades about whatever he is blithering on about, it'll kill activity

[Voidedmafia]

Searching for a replacement for Blackberry.

[Bulbazak]

Unvote

Yeah, I'm done talking with Imperium. I'm not going to get anywhere. And Molla can stuff it as far as I'm concerned.

[BBmolla]

Okay thanks

[Gnomeo]

Catching up, a day late, I know...

Bulbazak, dis you seriously say that me copying the player list from page one to give my reads is scummy?

Gnomeo, where did Bulbazak say you were scummy for doing that?

Here:

Scum tend to be really lazy with their reads. Not taking the initiative to develop your own readlist or style is an indicator of such laziness. You might as well have copied the general consensus.

Well this is going to be just me again since we are in communication issues for some reason, but I want to put up Gnomeo as the primary to die. He is doing NOTHING in this game. Apparently Bulb is his top scum pick (news to me) and... well he isn't scumhunting, he isn't even giving reads or trying to influence decisions or ANYTHING.

Well, I've pointed out how Bulbazak's plan is antitown and I've supplied a reads list. I have not been active at all, I'll have to admit that. And my scumhunting abilities are just not that good. I don't think you can say I've done nothing though. I've even suggested a HoH voting system, but nobody seems to have taken an interest in it.

That brings up something else... why is everypony voting for those who aren't going to put up their top reads? Or is giving reads? Or anything like that?

I've been consistent on that. Toogeloo claims he wanted to nominate Titus and Bulbazak, and I have voted him ever since. He later switched to Bulbazak and Rach, which is also fine with me.

Once I talk with Jake we will try and move things along better. As stands though I want Gnomeo. He is doing nothing at all but seems to be both buddying up to the top dogs and just sorta appearing on the wagons of those that are under fire for unstated reasons.

I have made it perfectly clear why I'm voting Bulbazak. If I wanted to buddy the "top dogs", I would have been voting you, but I'm not.

Gnomeo - why did it take you this long to question our peacebringer read?

Well, you were wrong and admitted it, but still you didn't answer the question. Why is that?

No, I said you copied the format that Titus used to a T, which showed a type of laziness that is indicative of scum.

I already said I got it from the first page(the player list). Funny how you still keep try and discredit me for it. You're now throwing mud around to see what sticks.

So... Minions/Gnomeo/Toogaloo/Imperium. No wonder I find this game boring. It's too easy.

It sure is easy when you're scum and you get to choose a scumteam yourself. Good job.

But you're right, you're buddy gnomeo is probs scum.

Do you really think he would use such bad arguments against me if I were his scumbuddy?

I felt that Peacebringer was town for being active, picking up on things that bothered him, and how he never really gave a shit what those things composed of; he just said what was on his mind. Lately, he's pretty much disappeared completely which I don't really feel as reassured with him as I once did. The multiball slip still remains as a strong point in favor of him being town, but it's going a bit stale.

Why did it take so long for you to answer my question about this?

No, because he's talking out of his rear and contradicting himself. Funny thing is everybody sees it and continues to call him town. It's frustrating.

Give me some examples where Toogeloo contradicts himself.

[quote="BBMolla]@Bulba: If we lynch Gnomeo and he flips scum, it'll just be you going "Look how right I was! I must be town!" If we lynch you and you flip scum, it basically confirms Gnomeo as scum.[/quote]

Why?

[Gnomeo]

Well damn. I wasn't finished.

[PeaceBringer]

replace out

- me and this game set up don't mix

[Gnomeo]

Gnomeo pops up, says something useless, JRBD gets shot, and I want him dead now.

You want me dead because you think I shot Jake? That's bad, coming from you.

Bulba Town --> Gnomeo Scum
Bulba Scum --> Gnomeo Scum

What the hell is this?

[BBmolla]

^You're scum

[Gnomeo]

Town:

Toogeloo: I have liked much of his content. Bulbazak's pushing to discredit him only strengthens my read on him.

Leaning Town:

Imperium: does a lot of scumhunting, but some points(against me, sure) are looking strange.
blackberry: I liked his content on the first few pages. Don't remember him doing much later on though.
Toastytoast: His recent content has been pretty good. His questioning of Rach and his reads on BBMolla and blackberry stand out as town motivated for me.
Desperado: Mostly gut. There's something about his tone I like.
Null:
Titus: I had a scumread on her first, but I'm not sure anymore. I'm willing to give her the benifit of the doubt and see what happens on day 2.
Peacebringer: replacing out, so needs reevaluation later.

Leaning Scum:

keybladewielder: can only remember some questionable content. Not much else.
Minions: Bulbazak tries linking us together. Which means he's probably Bulbazak's scumbuddy.
BBMolla: seems to be going with the flow and choosing targets as they are called out by other people.
RachMarie: easy reads. Nothing original.

Scum:

Bulbazak: I don't think this needs explaining.


I can't really blame any of you if you want to put me up for eviction. I have not been contributing much. At least now you'll have something to go on if I get evicted.

I suppose I'll stick to voting my strongest townread.

VOTE: Toogeloo

[Gnomeo]

aww, I didn't bold "Null", now it's ugly.

[BBmolla]

The double bus is a nice touch though

[Keybladewielder]

ok, care to give me a runthrough why Imperium is getting lynched?

[Voidedmafia]

Searching for a replacement for peacebringer. Toastytoast has been prodded ((expired on 2013-09-03 16:45:07))

(Somebody else post so I can get a page top, plz?

[Keybladewielder]

done.

[Desperado]

ok, care to give me a runthrough why Imperium is getting lynched?