Mini 1489 - VisCon: Murder at Wingate Mansion [Game Over]

[Empire]

I'll explain later but Desperado fake claimed something one of us would have told him was impossible in the pre-game.

[Tammy]

Okay, but when we talked about Desperado in the neighborhood we came to the conclusion that he was an sk cuz he was death aligned with death. If that's the case, then nobody is clear from that.

[Bert]

Wow, so Death is an SK.

I was just reading the game during the night, and I was like dang PeaceBringer keeps gut scumvibing me more than any other player. that's why I voted qwints

[Bert]

EBWOP: Shadoweh still gives me bad feelings too, but Nacho wants her alive for whatever reason. :/

Mara is very mixed, but I my townread downgraded to null.

[Empire]

Oh, I didn't think about the SK thing, I just assumed he was mafia due to the red flip. *shrug*

Anyway, the logic behind the fakeclaim thing was that Desperado fakeclaimed a member of the Wingate family. All the members of the family are supposed to have access to the QT, so Desperado basically confirmed himself as not-town when he claimed because he wasn't in our QT (hence why Marangal hammered). If one of us in the QT were scum, fakeclaims would have been discussed and he would have been told that his fakeclaim was impossible.

[TheGarantula]

If Desp was an SK, would that mean that it's likely a 2 man scum team remaining?

VOTE: Qwints

[TheGarantula]

Also, I think the fakeclaim thing you mentioned makes him being an SK very likely. I think most people would have told him not to claim that.

[Empire]

Also, I think the fakeclaim thing you mentioned makes him being an SK very likely. I think most people would have told him not to claim that.

Not necessarily. Assuming none of us in the QT are scum, then that means scum didn't know about our Neighborhood until it was outed in the game, and thus, would not know that the claim was very very bad for that reason.

[TheGarantula]

You're right, I mixed up two of my games and thought the different groups (scum and neighborhoods) had day talk for a second.

[inte]

might b 3 more scum still with heavy town power roles but lets not talk about that right now

[The Purple Shoe]

lol at desp. Thanks for clearing me, I can coast even more now!!!

On serious note. Mara you scum?

[Generic]

vote mara

[Bert]

lol at desp. Thanks for clearing me, I can coast even more now!!!

On serious note. Mara you scum?

Coasting, really?

Do you like competing with me and trying to be the easiest lynchbait or...

[The Purple Shoe]

When are you ever lynch bait@

[Empire]

Okay, but when we talked about Desperado in the neighborhood we came to the conclusion that he was an sk cuz he was death aligned with death. If that's the case, then nobody is clear from that.

Going to bed again right now (yeah yeah...), but I was thinking about this and thought two things:

1) The Llamarble N1 kill feels like it came from scum that was self-conscious about his interactions with Desperado and how it would clear him. I think if it's Desperado-SK, the scum team would have been less inclined to have killed him off because he wasn't really a strong universal townread.
2) If Desperado were SK, why would he claim self-watcher? That just seems like a really dumb thing to claim as SK considering that it's not a high utility town PR and it's not long term.

@mod - I will be V/LA until Thursday or Friday due to a bunch of personal stuff. I'll try to post whenever I can. Apologies for the inconvenience.

[Tammy]

Okay, but when we talked about Desperado in the neighborhood we came to the conclusion that he was an sk cuz he was death aligned with death. If that's the case, then nobody is clear from that.

Going to bed again right now (yeah yeah...), but I was thinking about this and thought two things:

1) The Llamarble N1 kill feels like it came from scum that was self-conscious about his interactions with Desperado and how it would clear him. I think if it's Desperado-SK, the scum team would have been less inclined to have killed him off because he wasn't really a strong universal townread.
2) If Desperado were SK, why would he claim self-watcher? That just seems like a really dumb thing to claim as SK considering that it's not a high utility town PR and it's not long term.

@mod - I will be V/LA until Thursday or Friday due to a bunch of personal stuff. I'll try to post whenever I can. Apologies for the inconvenience.

But it would also clear nacho and potentially Mara. It's just as likely that he wasn't going to get healed last night or was on base with his suspects or they suspected him of being town power holding back some.

Maybe he did have a self watching ability. He could have easily claimed a useless power role because who's going to kill that? Claim anything with actual power and he's a nightkill target, bad for an sk.

I mean I guess we won't be sure until we get more flips, but you're also writing off quints here when bald eagle might not have realized the implications and warned his partners anyway, so even if he's not an sk it doesn't mean everyone in your neighborhood is clear.

[Shadoweh]

I.. hadn't considered an SK at all last night. But no one's popped in saying it's against the flavor so etc. The opening scene did look like a murder by a living person though.
I actually like this theory because it means Desperado trying to lynch Shoe doesn't exonerate the lurking bag of suck who clearly isn't paying attention to why he can't just keep lurking.

Tammy: Most SK's are bulletproof though? It's more likely he was telling the truth and wanted to attract a kill to find out who the mafia are. Even if it's a kinda sucky power, claimed roles are a hit-list waiting to happen. We're not writing off qwintz because of that though, just have a little faith gosh.

##Vote: The Purple Shoe

[qwints]

Just cause Desparado's scum doesn't mean Shoe's not.

VOTE: Shoe

[Nachomamma8]

Bert, qwints seems an awful lot like he did in Scumhunter, doesn't he?

[Nachomamma8]

Shadoweh still gives me bad feelings too, but Nacho wants her alive for whatever reason. :/

not anymore.

Vote: Shadoweh

[Bert]

Shadoweh still gives me bad feelings too, but Nacho wants her alive for whatever reason. :/

not anymore.

Vote: Shadoweh

Love, what changed your mind??

Your stance was stubbornly steering us away from voting Shadoweh yesterday.

What gives???

[Shadoweh]

I think it is my lot to be lynchbait whenever I play with you guys. The only time someone consistently likes me is when they're scum.

[Generic]

MS mara gal is mafia, I've been pointing it out since page 2, it's only a matter of time before its proven right...

What's the case against shadoweh? I'm inclined to listen to nacho after a very very good desperado read.

[Bert]

Bert, qwints seems an awful lot like he did in Scumhunter, doesn't he?

Yes, but he also has a competent scumgame apparently. I haven't seen him/her as scum.

Vote: Shadoweh

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[FakeGod]

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