Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #3250 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:58 pm

muffin what can I do

Faster Than Light · Post Post #3251 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:02 pm

Zmuffin, would you support a Mala lynch, then?

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zMuffinMan · Post Post #3252 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:07 pm

ftl wrote:Zmuffin, would you support a Mala lynch, then?

i'll tell you at a later juncture if a mala wagon becomes relevant.

bnb wrote:muffin what can I do

who do you think is scum if nick is town?

Faster Than Light · Post Post #3253 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:15 pm

It's relevant now.

If we lynch mala, I can finish phase one of my gambit.
Right after Phase 1 and night, I can do phase 2 and 3, provided I'm alive then.
Phase 2 and 3 are short and can be completed during D3.
Finishing my gambit will give us a reliable read on Nacho and Nick, who a lot of people are all over the place on reading.
Consider it.

Faster Than Light · Post Post #3254 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:17 pm

Worst possible scenario is that Mala flips town and Nacho/Nick pass my gambit, but even then, we can avoid mislynching those two if it turns out that way.
Best possible scenario is that Mala flips scum and Nacho/Nick fail my gambit, which will nab us some more scum~

Faster Than Light · Post Post #3255 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:22 pm

I guess the true worst scenario is that I get NK'd and Mala flips town. Hm.

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zMuffinMan · Post Post #3256 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:27 pm

ftl wrote:It's relevant now.

not really. i have two reasons i don't want to talk about my thoughts on mala at the moment. don't bother asking what they are because i'm not going to tell you.

ftl wrote:I guess the true worst scenario is that I get NK'd and Mala flips town. Hm.

you don't say.

Faster Than Light · Post Post #3257 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:31 pm

Holding info back isn't cool.

If Mala's town and I die, I trust this town is competent enough to figure out what I was trying to do before my death.

Why AJ?

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Venmar · Post Post #3258 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:33 pm

^ That's Majiffy with his Nick wagon.

Trust Fund · Post Post #3259 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:34 pm

In post 3249, zMuffinMan wrote: mala, muttley, trust fund

So either I'm as confirmed town as an un-cc'd vig as a game with mod-announced lack of SK/third party/multiball.... or you pulled these tiers out your ass.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3260 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:35 pm

because i'm not reading him as town (and outside of the people claiming he is playing to his "town meta", i don't think the reasons people are calling him town are all that good). i have a few issues with the reasoning behind his votes/suspicions and a gut suspicion based on his position on different wagons.

most of my thoughts on this i've already gone over in a lot more depth today, which is why i know you haven't been reading any of my posts.

zMuffinMan · Post Post #3261 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:40 pm

@trust fund,

i don't think muttley is "confirmed" because he's an "un-cc'd" vig.

Trust Fund · Post Post #3262 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:42 pm

In post 3261, zMuffinMan wrote:@trust fund,

i don't think muttley is "confirmed" because he's an "un-cc'd" vig.

I'd love to see an alternate theory from you on how two deaths happened.

Trust Fund · Post Post #3263 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:44 pm

^accidently hit submit.

I'd like to see an alternate theory from you on how two deaths happened last night in a game where the mod has confirmed that the only two factions in the game are town and ONE scumteam.

And then if you manage that tell me the scum motivation behind killing saki who might as well have had "free fucking mislynch here" painted on his forehead.

Venmar · Post Post #3264 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:44 pm

In post 3157, Mac wrote:
In post 3154, Venmar wrote:Lol i push my scumreads, whatever the quality of my pushing is, be it cases or me being lazy. You can't recall any of it cause you're too busy flying under the radar, you can't even deny what I have said, how can you try to change the subject and expect to get away with it. You on the other hand haven't actually done ANYTHING whatsoever, therefore your argument is invalid flailing scum.

Mac is playing to his scummeta btw
what? i've made a case for why mala is scum and asked people to vote with me but everyone's just like "LOL JIFFYSHEEP" and there's not much i can work with there. hahahaha @ calling me flailing, i'm not even close to flailing.

YOU ARE NOT DOING WHAT I HAVE ACCUSED YOU OF NOT DOING.

The fact you keep either dodging that fact, or just don't want to admit it, is scummy. You're trying to twist the fact that you're not pushing your scumreads into the fact you made an unconvincing case and then made no effort to push it to actually catch people's attention. There's a difference between the two you know that? This is actually a substantial scumtell IMO.

EVERYONE HEED ME, HEED VENMAR AND STOP BLIND READING ME AS SCUM DUMBWITS

Faster Than Light · Post Post #3265 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:47 pm

Yo, Venmar, thoughts on what's currently happening?

I agree, as I don't like Mac's play either.

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BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #3266 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:48 pm

In post 3252, zMuffinMan wrote:
ftl wrote:Zmuffin, would you support a Mala lynch, then?
i'll tell you at a later juncture if a mala wagon becomes relevant.

bnb wrote:muffin what can I do
who do you think is scum if nick is town?

I would look at who jumped on and who stayed off. and for the reasons they gave. I know this might not be what you want to hear but I would need to do a hard reset if he flipped town.

I think the biggest thing would be to wrap my mind around the town shaped hole that is in this day round.

mac still feels town to me. you feel town, but the spectrum of players I want to pull in is small compared to where they are floating on the edges and it shouldn't feel that way. ns is obviously town and when I get in that small space of who to mebbe draw in, mastin may feel that way, mebbe mala, mebbe aj, mebbe nacho. mebbe ghostlin. I am also paranoid about all of those players.

I feel like at this point we should be closing scum's options by giving them less room to hide and it is a matter of town finding town but why does it seem so hard, you know?

Venmar · Post Post #3267 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:50 pm

Describe "currently happening", be more specific

Trust Fund · Post Post #3268 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:51 pm

In post 3255, Faster Than Light wrote:I guess the true worst scenario is that I get NK'd and Mala flips town. Hm.

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If you're town, which I'm sort of having to grudgingly admit seems to be the case, short of you claiming an investigative or protective role, the odds of you getting a bad case of the dead tonight are about 100 to 1. You have "free lategame mislynch or lylo scapegoat" sticky noted to your back, man.

Venmar · Post Post #3269 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:51 pm

Majiffy y u no think i am town

BeautyAndTheBeast · Post Post #3270 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:51 pm

In post 3263, Trust Fund wrote:^accidently hit submit.

I'd like to see an alternate theory from you on how two deaths happened last night in a game where the mod has confirmed that the only two factions in the game are town and ONE scumteam.

And then if you manage that tell me the scum motivation behind killing saki who might as well have had "free fucking mislynch here" painted on his forehead.

scum team + sk is sometimes not considered multi-ball.

Faster Than Light · Post Post #3271 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:52 pm

B&B, my gambit confirms alignments on Nacho, Nick, Mala, and potentially more.
You're talking about finding town?
Let's do work towards it.

@Venmar: Mala/Nick Wagons, interaction, and Zmuffin.

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zMuffinMan · Post Post #3272 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:53 pm

@trust fund,

i'm not ruling out the possibility that muttley is extremely stupid and claiming the kill when he didn't actually kill saki (this was my first thought about it, because saki was a stupid kill either way after the rm flip)

i'm not ruling out the possibility that scum have some sort of limited method of achieving an extra kill (which would be rather convenient if true, because muttley is a useless fuck and has an excuse if he's still around at lylo despite being "confirmed")

and i'm not ruling out anything i might not currently be thinking of given how shit his actual play has been (as well as skullduggery's)

Venmar · Post Post #3273 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:54 pm

Nick wagon isn't actually bad, really, it's just really meh because from my POV it's just not on my priority list and all Majiffy is doing is stuffing it down people's throats which I don't like.

I still have a gut town read on Mala.

And I still think Muffin is town.

Trust Fund · Post Post #3274 (ISO) » Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:55 pm

In post 3272, zMuffinMan wrote:i'm not ruling out the possibility that muttley is extremely stupid and claiming the kill when he didn't actually kill saki (this was my first thought about it, because saki was a stupid kill either way after the rm flip)

No. If muttley is acting stupid... he's faking it. The kill perfectly fits what my model of town muttly thinks he would do.

But either way, you apparently scumread me as much as him. I'm telling you that's shit and he needs to be in your town until cop guilty says otherwise pile.