Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[zMuffinMan]

i can't believe i watched that youtube clip

[Faster Than Light]

you just killed all motivation i had for this game.

That's such a

medium

response.

[Faster Than Light]

i can't believe i watched that youtube clip

I can't believe I made it.

[zMuffinMan]

so you don't think they can both be town?

[Faster Than Light]

so you don't think they can both be town?

They could both be scum, but both can't be town.
Look at the wagons that've grown on them who won't budge on either, and how those same people interacted with the Rach wagon.
I've got a lot of theories floating around, but everything points towards at least one being scum and the other being scum.

[Faster Than Light]

That should be 'one being scum or the other being scum'.

Staying up all night writing, grading papers, and making shitty dubs works a number on my coherence.

[zMuffinMan]

Look at the wagons that've grown on them who won't budge on either, and how those same people interacted with the Rach wagon.

what do you mean "who won't budge on either"

as far as i can tell, most of the nick wagon is fine with a mala lynch

[Faster Than Light]

Writing out a large post.
Let me get to you on this.

-V

[pirate mollie]

varsoon <3

I am not a fan of gambits as you know cos of the first xeno game. i think the biggest reason they are a bad idea is cos they give scum room to hide.

you say you don't want to lynch nicky over mala cos you like nicky. I say nicky is lurking the shit out of this game so why are you ignoring this? we play to our wc and can you tell me with a straight face that you are paving the way for that?

so instead of coming up with some brilliant plan that most certainly did not work out the last time can we plz just lynch scummy nicky?

@ mala

aaaaaand you are looking town. we are not ignoring you, I think you are ignoring other people cos you are not reaching out and I think that is what is doing you the biggest harm. rach was a scumread for a lot of people and she flipped scum. so mebbe instead of taking the approach of "people were ignoring my reads on d1, so why would they listen to me now" mebbe you can accept that they followed a scumread that yielded results and that it is d2 now and your reads still matter?

re: mastin. plz don't interfere with how I sort people cos I am not just wanting to sort mastin's alignment, I would like to get to know him as a player. you think I am ignoring you and I am not, I am just thinking of different things. I want to get close to mastin.

@ mac

your post to ftl about hydra dissonance was a bit disconcerting and it was the first time you made me go :/. I guess cos I think we are the textbook defo of hydra dissonance but it certainly is not intentional.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

varsoon <3

I am not a fan of gambits as you know cos of the first xeno game. i think the biggest reason they are a bad idea is cos they give scum room to hide.

you say you don't want to lynch nicky over mala cos you like nicky. I say nicky is lurking the shit out of this game so why are you ignoring this? we play to our wc and can you tell me with a straight face that you are paving the way for that?

so instead of coming up with some brilliant plan that most certainly did not work out the last time can we plz just lynch scummy nicky?

@ mala

aaaaaand you are looking town. we are not ignoring you, I think you are ignoring other people cos you are not reaching out and I think that is what is doing you the biggest harm. rach was a scumread for a lot of people and she flipped scum. so mebbe instead of taking the approach of "people were ignoring my reads on d1, so why would they listen to me now" mebbe you can accept that they followed a scumread that yielded results and that it is d2 now and your reads still matter?

re: mastin. plz don't interfere with how I sort people cos I am not just wanting to sort mastin's alignment, I would like to get to know him as a player. you think I am ignoring you and I am not, I am just thinking of different things. I want to get close to mastin.

@ mac

your post to ftl about hydra dissonance was a bit disconcerting and it was the first time you made me go :/. I guess cos I think we are the textbook defo of hydra dissonance but it certainly is not intentional.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

@tf you have faded in the background...what gives?

plz come baaaaaaaack

[Faster Than Light]

My gambit from the first game caught 2 as scum, inadvertently.


Big post coming soon.

[Faster Than Light]

You know, I'm beating around the bush, let me just get long winded and pull this whole thing out for you:


Rach, at the time of the Lynch, was the following:
zMuffinMan, Desperado, Nachomamma8, Ghostlin, BeautyAndTheBeast, Aj The Epic, Sound of Silence, Andrius, Trust Fund, Saki, BROseidon

The people who gave up wagons to change to the Rach Wagon (TRR=town read rach. SRR=scum read rach) were:
BROseidon (TRR), Saki (TRR), Trust Fund (TRR), Andrius (SRR), AJ the Epic (SRR), BeautyandtheBeast (TRR), Ghostlin (SRR), Sound of Silence (TRR)

Basically, only zMuffinMan, Desperado, and Nachomamma8 were consistently SRR for all of D1.

Now, there's two possible scenarios here.
Either Rach's wagon was entirely town (So far, true, as Saki and Sound of Silence were both town)
OR
Rach had scum bussing her.

Now, Rach likely did have scum bussing her.
Which is interesting, given that our two confirmed town were reading her as TOWN before putting a vote on her.
So, does that mean everyone reading her as scum (Ghostlin, Andy, B&B) who swapped a vote to her to make the lynch happen are scum? Maybe.
What significance is there behind zMuffin, Desperado, and Nacho pushing hard for a Rach lynch right away?


Let's move to the Nick wagon and Mala wagon.

Mastin and BnB both made posts about Nick and the people who were voicing support but not backing it. Sound familiar?
Let's dig in. I've changed things to the SRN/TRN to echo my earlier antonyms.

Mastin's List:
Andrius (SRN)
Venmar
nickthename (TRN)
BeautyAndTheBeast (SRN)
Nachomamma8 (SRN)
Desperado
notscience (SRN)
zMuffinMan (SRN)
Faster than Light (SRN)
Mutleyddmc
Aj the Epic (SRN)
TiphaineDeath (TRN)
Trust Fund

Haven't posted since my post about the nick wagon ending the day:
BROseidon (SRN)
Ghostlin
Mac
Malakittens


BnB's List (of people SRN):
BRO, TF, Mastin, Ghostlin, zMuffin, AJ, Andy, Nacho.

Out of these people, the ones whe were SRN but didn't budge till later on the Rach wagon are:
Ghostlin, AJ, Andrius.

But that represents logical progression of gameplay, which merits these people town points, because if they're scum for playing the same way, then it's a double bus, which is against scum wincon, really. No, let's look at the people who were DEFIANTLY TRN or SRN on Rach, but are the opposite with this Nick Wagon (flimsy/has a read but isn't defiant about it):

zMuffin, Nacho, BROseidon, Trust Fund

Special note is that Desperado was very SRN on Rach all of D1 and has been very TRN on Nick all of D2, while B&B is the opposite (was defiant TNR on Rach, is defiant SRN on Nick).

zMuffin, Nacho, Trustfund, and BROseidon are people that are really suspicious to me, so this feels like it's inquiry in the right direction.

NOW! Let's look at Nick's list for how people stand on the Mala Wagon~

SRM and DEFIANT:
Ghostlin, NicktheName.

SRM but FLIMSY:
Mac,
Mastin,
B&B,
BRO,
NS,
AJ.

SRM but AWKWARD:
zMuffin,
Mutley,
TF,
Andy.

The overlap between the three lists are:

BRO, TF, zMuffin
Nacho's all over the place.
Desperado is defiantly TRM, too, for the record. B&B had some hiccups in TRM, but that's ultimately where it is.


Basically, what this boils down to is that either there's scum CONSISTENTLY playing the game or there's scum INCONSISTENTLY playing the game.

If Nick is Scum, this makes Mala town and means that scum is CONSISTENT in their play.
If Mala is Scum, this makes Nick town and means that scum is INCONSISTENT in their play.
Of course, they could both be scum, which would speak towards CONSISTENCY, which is why I have to play the gambit that I am playing.

Once we know this, it'll be easier for us (or, at least, me) to find scum, because I can look for a group of inconsistent/consistent players and really ISOLATE there.
CONSISTENT PLAYERS: Desperado, Ghostlin, Aj, Andrius, B&B, etc
INCONSISTENT PLAYERS: Rach Marie, Nacho, zMuffin, BROseidon, Trust Fund, etc

The great thing is that NICK and MALA represent each camp as well, with Nick being consistent and Mala being inconsistent, imo.

So, yeah, thoughts?
Am I just crazy and seeing things on a totally different level than everyone else?

When people started posting all those Scum-reading-but-not-voting posts, I did a double take, and reallly mulled over all this stuff, and that's how I came up with my gambit, which'll be a lynch on an inconsistent player that is anti-Nick (Mala, Mac, etc) with PHASE 2 shit that'll give us Nick and Nacho's alignments.

God, I'm so awesome.

-V

[Faster Than Light]

TL;DR- Due to player consistencies and inconsistencies, there must be scum between Nick and Mala.
Based on exclusive Varsoon information, coupled with the flip from an inconsistent player that is anti-Nick, I can confirm Nick and Nacho's alignments.
This information will also aid us greatly in finding scum.

Woop woop.

-V

[zMuffinMan]

So, yeah, thoughts?

not quite on the level of mastin and TD, but if you keep reaching for it, one day you will achieve it.

[Faster Than Light]

So, yeah, thoughts?

not quite on the level of mastin and TD, but if you keep reaching for it, one day you will achieve it.

Hahaha, fair enough.

Also, I figure following this line of thought will help us debunk if the scum team is playing like a team (distancing/safely reading each other, pushing mislynches, chainsawing, etc) or if they are in a kind of every-man-for-himself approach (Bussing, forming independent reads, pushing who they think is 'scummy' regardless of alignment).

Also-also, does scum have day chat? Was that confirmed or not?
If so, I'd lean a bit more towards the former.
If no, the latter.
Of course, we're two days (one night) deep, so another night'll give us a good narrative arc to analyze on D3.


-V

[zMuffinMan]

why don't you analyse the possibility that both nick and mala are town and tell me what you think that means? it's a possibility i'm considering atm.

[Venmar]

why dont you guys vote mac for a scum lynch ffs

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

This guy knows what's up.

Oh wait, it's venmar.

O well, I still agree with him here, still think he might be scum.

You're obviously sexist

inb4korts

I still like the nick wagon. The amount of pushing BnB had to do to get the wagon off the ground, despite plenty of people nominally calling nick scum, is suspect.

No fucking shit.

His read list is meh; it's a lot of regurgitating what other people have said, and it's incredibly hedged (a lot of "seem" and "feel" type language).

No fucking shit.

Best alternative is Mala wagon. I think they're hard-bussing at this point because their both caught, because holy fuck Mala has not done a single town-thing this game. The way she tried to derail the Rach wagon yesterday was beyond horrific. Venmar is also a good alternative because he did much of the same bullshit with the Rach wagon.

No fucking shit (cont.)

Of course, the post where he provided reads was good

No. Try again.

Brainstorming gambits.

Varsoon

wot r u doin


Varsoon





Stahp.

BnB, I hope you can respect the logic Nick is working with in regards to lots of people supporting a Mala lynch but not putting a vote there. You're a strong voice, and so I'd like to have you with us on this.

... Can we lynch Nick first? I've got a lot of reads riding on this flip.

Mollie, is that all there is to your reaction to my posts? I put a lot of work into them, I expected you guys to have at least some more creative ways to call me scum, lest you actually reconsider your reads, but whatever. I need to go to bed, I'll finish my Mala case tomorrow.

Your reads looked skin-thick-faked-scum-followy-bullshit.

Tell me more about the work you put in.

this game makes me sad

The only thing we have to feel is feel itself.

^ That's Majiffy with his Nick wagon.

ROFL

I think the biggest thing would be to wrap my mind around the town shaped hole that is in this day round.

yesssss

Majiffy y u no think i am town

Venmar y u no vote nick

B&B, my gambit confirms alignments on Nacho, Nick, Mala, and potentially more.

You know what works better than half-cocked-know-they're-coming gambits? Lynching all 3 of those slots. Cuz that's totally cool with me.

all Majiffy is doing is stuffing it down people's throats

Blame it on Mollie, I've got a lot of backlogged semen here.

I'm sorry, but every time someone says FTL I think for the lose

Pretty accurate depiction of the slot.

a lynch on Nick only provides us with Nick's Alignment. That's it

You are officially marked for powerlynch if Nick flips scum.

saki was obv annoying poster that just annoyed. Worth blowing my whole load on him

what a fool he was!

if only he had studied your posts, and learned not to be an obv annoying poster that just annoyed.

At this point I don't even.

please start do evening.

You're so fucking town it hurts.

My mic/recording quality so shit.

-V

You don't say...

Dude... Compressor. Learn how to use one. Then compress the shit out of yourself.

[Faster Than Light]

Majiffy, you're so cruel.


If there's NO OTHER OPTION THAN NICK, sure, I'll lynch him.
But I'd -REALLY- prefer to do my Gambit.
Give a fuck what you heard, Yeah fuck what you heard, Gambits comin' out this slot.



Give me Mollie. She wants to play the game more than talk shit and say YES or NO to things.



-V

[Faster Than Light]

Bork, Please fix mah mussed up Url tags?

...I'll let you have pagetop.

[BROseidon]

I still like the nick wagon. The amount of pushing BnB had to do to get the wagon off the ground, despite plenty of people nominally calling nick scum, is suspect.

No fucking shit.

His read list is meh; it's a lot of regurgitating what other people have said, and it's incredibly hedged (a lot of "seem" and "feel" type language).

No fucking shit.

Best alternative is Mala wagon. I think they're hard-bussing at this point because their both caught, because holy fuck Mala has not done a single town-thing this game. The way she tried to derail the Rach wagon yesterday was beyond horrific. Venmar is also a good alternative because he did much of the same bullshit with the Rach wagon.

No fucking shit (cont.)

Here "mutant" is a codeword for "dick."

Seriously Varsoon just asked for my opinions, so I gave them. You even "no fucking shit" me on something that nobody else points out (the hedged language).

[Faster Than Light]

Yo, BRO, it's cool, I think Majiffy gets the picture.

I'd rather not have a player v player conflict drag us into a state of shit.

We need drive, clarity, and union.

Let's lynch Mala, yes?

Vote: Malakittens

[TiphaineDeath]

what venmar said.

[nickthename]

I like a mac lynch too, dunno if there is enough support. I'll finish my mala case when I get home.