Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Mac]

@Mac

Mollie can't read me, why should I trust her read on you?

because she's town, and you should work with your townreads?

because we hydra together alot and she knows me better than every player in this game bar none?

[mastin2]

GAH. Lost my post. Was almost finished with the Ghostlin section, when I accidentally closed the tab. ;_;

I am going to get close to mastin if he will let me. that is simply all there is to it.

You're not doing a very good job, considering I've been reaching out to you for most of the game and you've been rejecting me. But seriously. I'm town. I want to work with you. I'll let you get close to me, if you let me get close to you. So work with me. (Sorry. This was worded better the first time. :/)

Venmar:

I'm willing to listen to you about a potential scuMac (especially given the defense of Malakittens), but I don't think that Mac's a realistic lynch candidate for today. Talk to me tomorrow about it, and we'll see.

Ghostlin:

So, to simplify things... You've got townreads on Muffin, FTL, notscience, myself, BeautyAndTheBeast, sorta-Nacho, sorta-Mac, Sorta-Mutley, and sorta-Andrius.
You've got a null-read on AJ and scumreads on nick, Desperado, Trust Fund, TiphaineDeath, Venmar, and Malakittens. Is this correct?

If so, then I can help ya. Move Venmar and TD outside of your scum-list, for a start, and we can hash out the rest of the reads.

My gambit has three phases to it. Phase one: We lynch Malakittens.

Vote: Malakittens

I'm liking this plan. I think I know what you're getting at, and to be honest, I don't think it'll work as well as you think it will if I'm correct, but I like it all the same because it gets Malakittens lynched. (Though, of course, I certainly hope the plan works as well as you want it to. That would be awesome.)

It makes me sad that you don't want to work with me, because I want to work with you

I'm not working with you because I think you're scum.

Buuuuuuuuut, I'm no scumhunting god, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. What in my approach do you see as similar to yours? Why do you think having a similar approach to you makes me someone to work with? Do you think our reads are compatible?

As a start. (I had better questions the first time. )

Mastin is town, leave him alone.

Why is it that (aside from Andrius) everyone I've called scum has reversed their read on me (except Nacho, who never had me as scum) from scum to town? Like, seriously. Nick, BRO, and now you.

Nick, now he actually explained it. No such reason for the reversal from you. (Bleh. This was worded better the first time. )

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: nickthename

[Doomed Hyrule]

mastin

how come a few pages ago you were talking about how town i was or whatever, and now you are entertaining the prospect? talking about some defence of malakittens who i've been pressing as my top scumread alll day long?

[Mac]

mastin

how come a few pages ago you were talking about how town i was or whatever, and now you are entertaining the prospect? talking about some defence of malakittens who i've been pressing as my top scumread alll day long?

my bad

[Nachomamma8]

@ nacho

not feeling it this game

i feel this day's gotten horribly convoluted and nothing really makes sense anymore.

@Mac

Mollie can't read me, why should I trust her read on you?

this post isn't awesome at all.

i don't feel good about trust fund anymore.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

@ mastin

okay lets get close.



I remember you reaching out on d1 and I responded but today I haven't seen that much.

when did mala have you as scum cos I missed it?

what do you see as being townier in nicky over mala?

venny is reminding me of a combo of you and ap in gears of war, what do you think?

what is tweaking you about mac?

[BROseidon]

Buuuuuuuuut, I'm no scumhunting god, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. What in my approach do you see as similar to yours? Why do you think having a similar approach to you makes me someone to work with? Do you think our reads are compatible?

You try to look for what group of people make sense as a scumteam together more than most other players, which is what I also like to do. I think that this is compatible in terms of working together because we can discuss the nature of people's interactions to try to discern what scumteam makes the most sense. If you remove me from your scumreads, I think they are compatible in that we could start talking about things, since we are both thinking a Rach/Mala/Nick/X/X group, and we'd just have to align the X's.

[mastin2]

mastin
how come a few pages ago you were talking about how town i was or whatever, and now you are entertaining the prospect? talking about some defence of malakittens who i've been pressing as my top scumread alll day long?

You're near the bottom of my townlist, along-side Desperado. In other words, can slip into scum fairly easily. Your defense of Malakittens is present in your interactions with FTL, which heavily discouraged the plan to lynch Malakittens.

@ mastin
okay lets get close.
when did mala have you as scum cos I missed it? what do you see as being townier in nicky over mala? venny is reminding me of a combo of you and ap in gears of war, what do you think?

<3

Malakittens had plenty calling me scum. In fact,

nearly every mention Malakittens has of me D1 is of me being scum.

Control-F my name.

Spoiler: Her calling me scum

Mastin's post gave me a bad feel.

Herro Jedi Mind Trick that we call Mastin's post 448! Thanks for putting a bad taste in my mouth about you.

Mastin you aren't confirmed town, shut up.

If FTL is for sure scum then Mastin is probably a partner.

If you think I'm scum reading Mastin just because he's defending you.. You have another thing coming. I already presented why he pinged gut when I was catching up. Mastin and you are probably both scum and I'll figure out who the others are once I have solid flips to look at.

I agree with the Mastin scum read. I'm null on Rach and the rest I'm in disagreement, Even though I'm null-leaning town on SoS. I was townreading TF and this hasn't gone away because there was no reason for scum-TF to say my "reaching out tell in regards to Fery" is a null tell>

Main reason why I haven't voted Mastin. I think he's scum, but not for the whole "5 scum thing".

brb checking new links and then moving onto Mastin.

I have a scum read on Mastin and Andy.

There are other times when she makes other remarks against me, too, like the remark about me keeping votes off of Skull and maybe the "holy shit" one, too.
...And then, come D2, I'm suddenly town for no apparent reason. Malakittens admitted to not being able to read me on D1,

I'm shit at either meta'ing Mastin in general or his play makes me feel it's the same. He self-meta's as both alignments. He's over confident as both alignments. He does gambits as town. He uses ':p' too much. He tries to confirm his alignment as both alignments with meta. He's unreadable to me.

...But is somehow adamant now that I'm town.

Malakittens's play is basically one massive ball of inconsistency and bad interactions all-around. She's provided no really useful content, and simply hasn't been townposting at all. In contrast, nick's posting looks like it could have a (pardon me if this is incorrect usage) town trajectory to it--sure, yeah! Could be scum-motivated. But has a significantly-higher chance compared to Malakittens of being town in nature. In contrast to what you're saying about nick active-lurking...I'm not seeing active lurking. I'm seeing good, solid content posts from him. Could they be scum-posts? Yeah! But are they? I currently don't think so, no. Compared to Malakittens, who actually

does

have a lot which looks like active lurking. As just a brief summary of why nick's more town than Malakittens to me.

You're dead-on about Venmar, which is why he's town.

[mastin2]

Derp.

borkjerfkin, our good Mod:

Fix the missing bracket in my first Malakittens quote, please.

[Mac]

mastin
how come a few pages ago you were talking about how town i was or whatever, and now you are entertaining the prospect? talking about some defence of malakittens who i've been pressing as my top scumread alll day long?

You're near the bottom of my townlist, along-side Desperado. In other words, can slip into scum fairly easily. Your defense of Malakittens is present in your interactions with FTL, which heavily discouraged the plan to lynch Malakittens.

only based on the fact he wants to do it for a gambit which probably won't work (reason: it's varsoon) - I have outlined today I would lynch Mala in a heartbeat if her wagon gained steam but so far my efforts weren't working. so I switched to nick with the promise of getting Mala looked at in depth tomorrow. are you not reading my posts, mastin?

I have since been attacked by venmar for not pushing my reads, however when I counter his points with him being a hypocrite, it's okay for him to be lazy. td is just being derp and referring to his scumread on me which hasn't evolved from page 10 or whatever page it was. ffery is turning in her grave at the lack of trajectory in his iso. and nick is scumreading me for reasons unknown. now mastin has decided he's going to make up a reason that I was trying to "derail" a mala wagon when in fact I was derailing a useless gambit.

OH WHAT FUN!

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Here "mutant" is a codeword for "dick."

Seriously Varsoon just asked for my opinions, so I gave them. You even "no fucking shit" me on something that nobody else points out (the hedged language).

MajiffyNature is in everything. Accept MajiffyNature and be at peace with your inner dick.

Also that part was still nofuckingshit worthy.

NS I need to borrow some of your no shit stickers plz thx.

@Whichever bnb head is wearing the pants at the moment
You think mala and I are both likely scum, right? You said earlier you would support a Mala lynch after i'm lynched. And varsoon says he can get strong reads or verifies off of mala's lynch before mine, so why do you want me to be lynched first? Why not just lynch mala first, and then if varsoon's thing fails to confirm me as town, lynch me then?

It seems to me that for all intents and purposes the order of Mala and I's lynch is pretty irrelevance

Except

for varsoon's gambit. With that in mind, why are you still supporting lynching me first?

1) Support is unarguably there for your lynch. And yet your wagon is stalling. Which is suspect.
2) I have a lot of reads leaning on your flip. Not so much with Mala's.
3) Varsoon's gambits tend to suck.

For #3354 and Mala's catch above

... You mean the catch everyone else already pointed out?

[pirate mollie]

@ mastin

you offer a compelling case for mala. she is unsure leaning town, not a solid town read.

I would hate to see the votes split and there wind up a no lynch.

I disagree with your statement that mala is actively lurking while nicky is not. both are kind of doing the beetlejuice thing, reacting to suspicion on them instead of scumhunting on their own.

however nicky only got super active when varsoon highlighted what he wanted to hear from him. what do you think about that.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

@ mastin

you offer a compelling case for mala. she is unsure leaning town, not a solid town read.

I would hate to see the votes split and there wind up a no lynch.

I disagree with your statement that mala is actively lurking while nicky is not. both are kind of doing the beetlejuice thing, reacting to suspicion on them instead of scumhunting on their own.

however nicky only got super active when varsoon highlighted what he wanted to hear from him. what do you think about that.

[Desperado]

@ Jiffy: ??? I didn't see anyone else mention it

[Faster Than Light]

YES I KNOW I FUCKED UP BIG TIME BEFORE.

LET ME REDEEM MYSELF.

LET MY GAMBIT FUCKING GO THROUGH.

EVERYONE SAYING THEY ARE RELYING ON A NICK FLIP, I WILL FUCKING GET YOU HIS ALIGNMENT.
I PROMISE YOU THIS.

-V

[zMuffinMan]

[9] nickthename (Nachomamma8, BROseidon, Aj The Epic, Trust Fund, notscience, BeautyAndTheBeast, Mutleyddmc, Mac, Desperado)
[4] Malakittens (Ghostlin, nickthename, mastin2, Faster Than Light)
[2] BROseidon (zMuffinMan, Malakittens)
[2] Mac (Venmar, TiphaineDeath)

[1] Not Voting (Andrius)

just so no one can claim they accidentally hammered, i'm pretty sure this votecount is accurate.

at this point, i don't really give a shit about trying to defend nick or mala anymore. i think they could both be town, but i don't think i'm able to convince people of this. and i suspect it's likely that i'll die very early in this game if i'm right, and it'll be left to a handicapped charles barkley, a couple people screaming and yelling that they know who is scum, and some savants who figured out the game d1 to steer town towards a victory. and that makes me kind of sad. and i wish i wasn't as apathetic as i currently am towards this game.

[zMuffinMan]

i'm also considering voting nick so i can be like "AHA I WAS RIGHT" if he flips town, and be like "AHA I KNEW IT, I'M GLAD I CHANGED MY MIND!" if he flips scum.

either way, i am amazing.

[nickthename]

1) Support is unarguably there for your lynch. And yet your wagon is stalling. Which is suspect.
2) I have a lot of reads leaning on your flip. Not so much with Mala's.
3) Varsoon's gambits tend to suck.

I would hate to see the votes split and there wind up a no lynch.

1) I'm at L-1. How the hell is that stalling?
2) "Get less sucky reads." Is what I would say, but you don't even need to. Lynch mala, who is both scum and contributing nothing, and then you can use the result of Varsoon's gambit to figure out the reads. If his gambit turns out to be shit, lynch me then, and by that point my flip should be enough for you to finally start figuring things out, no?

This seems fairly logical to me, and I don't really understand why you're so opposed.

If I'm scum, you get the added bonus of extra information from varsoon on ftl and nacho, since I would assume his gambit will give good reads
If I'm town, there's a shot to get me confirmed town and nacho's alignment flipped, which I would assume would help your reads considerably, and Mala will be lynched, who is almost certainly scum if nacho and I are town.

This seems pro-town in every outcome. At the very worst, Mala flips town, I get lynched the next day, and Varsoon's gambit provides info on him and Nacho. I'm a tad worried myself mala could be town, but I think that's a risk I need to take, considering the pay-offs and the likely hood of malascum.

From your point of view, where one of Mala and I are almost certainly scum, thit seems optimal.
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My schedule's pretty hectic with school just starting, i'll try to get into a rhythm, but expect shorter posts from me for a little while. I really want to get that mala case together, I'll try to find the time as soon as I can, sorry I couldn't finish it tonight.

[nickthename]

@zMuffin

That's a really stupid idea. How about instead of that, you read and talk and actually try to find scum?

[zMuffinMan]

i've tried that. it doesn't seem to work.

[Faster Than Light]

@zMuffin

That's a really stupid idea. How about instead of that, you read and talk and actually try to find scum?

Nick, I fucking love you.
Yeah, at one point, I thought, "That Waffle post was extreme. This dude now can never have my trust."

Then I realized that's what assholes said to me in the past. And they were dead wrong.


I want that Mala case from you, Nick. It doesn't matter what your alignment is, a Mala case from you is pro-town.
If other players can't see that, they're weak.

IF ANYONE LYNCHES NICK BEFORE HE CAN MAKE HIS MALA CASE, I WILL DUNK THEM.

Also, gonna quote this bad boy:

Lynch mala, who is both scum and contributing nothing, and then you can use the result of Varsoon's gambit to figure out the reads. If his gambit turns out to be shit, lynch me then, and by that point my flip should be enough for you to finally start figuring things out, no?

This seems fairly logical to me, and I don't really understand why you're so opposed.

If I'm scum, you get the added bonus of extra information from varsoon on ftl and nacho, since I would assume his gambit will give good reads
If I'm town, there's a shot to get me confirmed town and nacho's alignment flipped, which I would assume would help your reads considerably, and Mala will be lynched, who is almost certainly scum if nacho and I are town.

This seems pro-town in every outcome. At the very worst, Mala flips town, I get lynched the next day, and Varsoon's gambit provides info on him and Nacho. I'm a tad worried myself mala could be town, but I think that's a risk I need to take, considering the pay-offs and the likely hood of malascum.

From your point of view, where one of Mala and I are almost certainly scum, thit seems optimal.
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My schedule's pretty hectic with school just starting, i'll try to get into a rhythm, but expect shorter posts from me for a little while. I really want to get that mala case together, I'll try to find the time as soon as I can, sorry I couldn't finish it tonight.

All you bastards calling Nick survivalistic--what does he have to gain by openly saying "If this shit doesn't work out, lynch me tomorrow?"
Dude's putting 100% faith in what he's doing, and more than that, he's looked at the situation and realize how scum-motivated a lynch on him could be and laid how, practically, how much better a Mala lynch is.
If this was LyLo or MyLo, I'd be hesitant, but

we already lynched a scum PR.

For Nick to essentially dig his own grave like this (if he was scum) would be against his wincon.

B-sides, I want to prove all you haters wrong with my slammin' gambit.
Charles Barkley ain't cripple, he's just a lil' chubby.
I'm puttin' the ball through the hoop, though.
If all nine of you Nick-Wagoners are against me, I'll just have to dunk through every one of you.

Anyone who isn't on the Nick Wagon, why won't you vote for either Nick or Mala? GIVE REASONS.

-V

[Mutleyddmc]

VOTE: nick

DUNKATRON 5000

[Faster Than Light]

i've tried that. it doesn't seem to work.

Yo, you don't have to be a Forward. You could be my Shoot Guard. Get it up with me. I'll lead us to victory.
I know you've been makin' a fence for yourself the size'a the Wall of China, but that's all the better to help me get the leverage to slam and jam.

Get behind me, zMuffin. I know you can be thorough. I'd like that kind of power on my court, you dig?


P-EDIT:
Fuck you, Mutley.

-V

[Mutleyddmc]

why fuck me?