Mini 1496: The Cash Cabd (Game Over)

[Sound of Silence]

Saki said rail tracer is...

It's Xegarus and zMuffinMan.

No idea if that is accurate.

Liking them for town so far.

[Brian Skies]

@ SoS: Not what I meant, but thanks anyways.

As per the Humble Poirot link, I'm still reading it. I've read up to page 23. Although, if there's anything I don't like at this point, it's the massive wall-to-wall posting. Not necessarily the hydra itself.

Ugh! More reading to do...

[Brian Skies]

Also, the game takes place in 2011 if I'm reading timestamps correctly. So I don't know if it's outdated or not. At some point early on in the game, a player mentions there are three scum (I haven't actually read far enough to confirm this, but the other players seem to be following the same logic). Is this common for all mini-closed set-ups?

Regarding our set-up:
What assumptions can be safely made?
What assumptions can we not make?

[Rail Tracer]

Right so poking someone a bit about the way a post was worded is obv scum tell now.

it's not so much that you did it, but the way in which you did it.

i don't have any issue with you actually asking questions, but the questions you're asking and the way in which you're asking them don't look town

and this post is no exception

Peirot, Rail Tracer, and Brian all seem rather town from early game.

elaborate on why poirot seems rather town to you.

Also, the game takes place in 2011 if I'm reading timestamps correctly.

hopefully hp will explain why his hatred for hydras from 2 years ago has carried over into this game.

At some point early on in the game, a player mentions there are three scum....

Regarding our set-up:
What assumptions can be safely made?
What assumptions can we not make?

general rule: don't talk about a closed setup d1. it's not useful information unless discussing a claim (and i don't really think it's worthwhile to discuss the pgo claim at this point in time). setup discussion is an easy way for scum to look like they're doing something useful.

[Sound of Silence]

Slow game is slow.

isaac = Brian Skies?

[Brian Skies]

Slow game is slow.

isaac = Brian Skies?

Yes. My avatar is of the Baccano! character Isaac Dian.

[Rail Tracer]

put a vote down rather than complain about the game being slow.

[Sound of Silence]

You can consider my vote to be on FuDuzn if you wish.

[Rail Tracer]

what is stopping you from actually voting him?

[FuDuzn]

Rail, explain my anti town intentions in my questioning? Enlighten us all as to how they are scum and not town motivated?

It is early Day 1, people were still stuck in stupid rvs and rqs or being overly concerned about the hydra infestation in this game, I chose to question a player about something that seemed a big off to me. When they didn't answer my question in a way that satisfied me I prodded a little bit.

Again, explain anti town motivation.

I will not back down from this and will question everyone who is voting me, and those who are apparently too scared too vote me(and that isn't a scum tell?),until I get a solid explanation about this.

Oh and if your response is that this early you can't make solid reads, than you are just making my point.

/pipebomb

[Sound of Silence]

Rail, explain my anti town intentions in my questioning? Enlighten us all as to how they are scum and not town motivated?

It is early Day 1, people were still stuck in stupid rvs and rqs or being overly concerned about the hydra infestation in this game, I chose to question a player about something that seemed a big off to me. When they didn't answer my question in a way that satisfied me I prodded a little bit.

Again, explain anti town motivation.

I will not back down from this and will question everyone who is voting me, and those who are apparently too scared too vote me(and that isn't a scum tell?),until I get a solid explanation about this.

Oh and if your response is that this early you can't make solid reads, than you are just making my point.

/pipebomb

FuDuzn I'm still waiting for you to explain (preferably with a quote) WHERE I poo pooed my own observation about Brian Skies.

[Sound of Silence]

what is stopping you from actually voting him?

A synch with my partner.

[FuDuzn]

Brian Skies concerns me a little. He comes off rather agreeable. He's on my list to meta-check for completed MS games, but given his join date I don't expect to find any.

SOS, this.

It just struck me as a bit off that you basically answered your own question, yet felt the need to still post about it. Was a bit unnecessary and I want to find motivation behind it.

In this game it is more about the forest, not the trees.

[FuDuzn]

Brian Skies concerns me a little. He comes off rather agreeable. He's on my list to meta-check for completed MS games, but given his join date I don't expect to find any.

SOS, this.

It just struck me as a bit off that you basically answered your own question, yet felt the need to still post about it. Was a bit unnecessary and I want to find motivation behind it.

In this game it is more about the forest, not the trees.

[FuDuzn]

Oops all double post.

Mod please delete one......or leave it. Who am I to tell you what to do.

[Rail Tracer]

Rail, explain my anti town intentions in my questioning?

it's not 'antitown', it just doesn't look town. as an example, i generally consider questions that are designed to get an answer that will give you a better read on someone to be town-looking questions, and questions like the ones you and poirot have been asking are not town questions.

but like i said, it's not the stuff you're saying that makes me think you're scum, but the way in which you're saying it. you're not exactly being aggressive or pressuring in your questions, you're not really doing a whole lot to get a better grasp on the game, you were just asking questions of one player and commenting on not much else that has happened. except now, where you're being attacked.

[Sound of Silence]

Brian Skies concerns me a little. He comes off rather agreeable. He's on my list to meta-check for completed MS games, but given his join date I don't expect to find any.

SOS, this.

It just struck me as a bit off that you basically answered your own question, yet felt the need to still post about it. Was a bit unnecessary and I want to find motivation behind it.

In this game it is more about the forest, not the trees.

I didn't answer my question at all. I made an observation. The concern about agreeableness remains, though it's mitigated now that I have a better sense of his prior mafia experience. Not being able to meta him for similar behaviors referencing alignment doesn't change my concern.

I'm really struggling to see how this raised a flag for you.

[Cabd]

Mod please delete one......or leave it. Who am I to tell you what to do.

15. I do not fix tags or edit posts, even if you ask me to.

[FuDuzn]

Ok SOS, I get really get a bad vibe from you. Though trying to reads purely off of meta is a bad strategy imo.

Those piggybacking off of SOS's weariness of me, scum in there me thinks.

And mod, shut it. I told you I couldn't tell you what to do

[FuDuzn]

Poopy, I meant I DON'T get a bad vibe from you SOS.

[Cabd]

Vote Count of the First City, Third Block

Players Alive: 13
Votes to Lynch: 7
Format of:
Wagon (size): Voters on wagon


Saki (1): artemiskitty
Rail Tracer (1): FuDuzn
Humble Poirot (2): Rail Tracer, Brian Skies
HopefullyCynical (1): Dessew
Fegelein (1): Rebel Without a Pulse

Not voting: Fegelein, Sound of Silence, Humble Poirot, Mario and the Diamonds, HopefullyCynical, Saki, zakk

Deadline for Day One falls on: 9/30/13 which is (expired on 2013-09-23 19:00:00)

Zakk has failed to pick up his role PM and has (expired on 2013-09-04 10:00:00) left to do so before being replaced.

[Rail Tracer]

Those piggybacking off of SOS's weariness of me, scum in there me thinks.

continue on with this line of thinking, because i'm interested in hearing who you think is piggybacking off someone else's suspicion and why you think they're scum.

[HopefullyCynical]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the concept of a hydra. Why would two people play the same account? And they both have to agree to vote someone, but they play on the same account? This is very confusing to me, and I apologize. SOS not wanting to put a vote on FuDuzn looks scummy, but if he requires the synch like he says then disregard me. Once I better understand hydras I'm going to re-read the thread.

Using SOS as an example, can only one person post on his account? Or at any point could his partner post under his name?

[Sound of Silence]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the concept of a hydra. Why would two people play the same account? And they both have to agree to vote someone, but they play on the same account? This is very confusing to me, and I apologize. SOS not wanting to put a vote on FuDuzn looks scummy, but if he requires the synch like he says then disregard me. Once I better understand hydras I'm going to re-read the thread.

Using SOS as an example, can only one person post on his account? Or at any point could his partner post under his name?

We will both post from this account.

It's actually kinda rare for me to put a vote down this early in a game. I'm pretty deliberate about developing reads before I vote, unless someone posts something phenomenally scummy. This game is moving quite slowly, which doesn't help as far as developing reads.

GiF and I will probably discuss this game sometime tomorrow. At that point, we might put a vote down, or we might wait depending on how good we feel about our reads.

People hydra for a lot of reasons. They may feel two heads are better than one when it comes to figuring out the game. It may be a teaching/learning arrangement. It may just be that the players have more fun playing with a partner than solo.

Once GiF and I agree on our early impressions of the game, we'll act independently if one of us isn't around to consult. At this point in the game, whether we currently have a vote down doesn't make much impact on the game state.

Why does it look scummy to not have a vote down on page 4?

[Sound of Silence]

Should I think it's scummy of you not to have a vote down?