Mini 1496: The Cash Cabd (Game Over)

[Rail Tracer]

i'm pretty sure he was saying that you having a scum read and not voting is scummy. but even that is still weird, since he apparently thinks you're scummy for it.

[Dessew]

Fu: I think your early posts are "nothing" for town. There's an RVS vote, and you ask a question that was already answered. They gave me the impression that you post only to have enough amount of posts with "content", so you won't get accused of (active) lurking.

[Rail Tracer]

so do you actually think fuduzn is scum? is there a reason you're still voting cynical?

[Dessew]

Yes, he's certainly the scummiest player now, imo.

I want HC to react to #98&99 first.

[Sound of Silence]

Vote: FuDuzn

Synch achieved.

[Fegelein]

Yeah, I was writing a catch-up post yesterday but I fell asleep so there's that.

[Dessew]

Yeah, I was writing a catch-up post yesterday but I fell asleep so there's that.

Today I learned that the word I use to describe that "it's quarter to ... o'clock" doesn't even exist in my language. Thought you, Fege, would find it interesting.

[Humble Poirot]

In the process of catching up/replying I realized I had written a dissertation about hydras so I decided that I'd trim it down to the benefit of the game (notes are saved, just in case).

Just in case someone missed Rail Tracer's link of my game: Hacker's panic mafia.

I didn't recall EXACTLY what happened but:
- poor game.
- hydra signs posts (perfect for squizo excuse)
- posted wrong account (harder to iso)
- made it to lylo

After skimming the link I saw that he also:
- screwed lylo
- had no problems about it.

Yes. I know I'm biased by one performance but that was modding, now I'm playing and I actually have to deal with reading a hydra. Which is why I need all the tools I can get.

As for the 2 years ago issue. Not relevant. It's been a long while since I played mafia. Finally, it's not HATE or GRUDGE, but concern.

Noise: I considered the possibility. Don't like useless starting questions. Don't think these are.

exceptional: This game is. Can't just get rid of hydras nor pretend they don't exist. I need to learn to read them somehow.

dismissiveness: My views/questions are getting trashed subjectively. Not much I can do about it.

@rail tracer

30 I never said they wouldn't have a method. In my head, I'd receive information as to what method and probably derive further knowledge from that (qt->review history together, chat->casual time dependent, irl->constant communication)

None of that is useful in itself (considering things could change or they could outright lie) but tiny details as to how things work can uncover things that might've been easily missed otherwise.

as for the "~reasons~" part: I get it; You enjoy being combative but I'd like you to make an effort and meet me half way. No matter how stupid you think my inquiries migth be, and actually answer. I'm making an effort not to extend myself with long posts in return.

@Rail

33: I understand where you come from but disagree. And If I "berate" a hydra it'll have a reason. If you do something scummy, it'll be scummy regardless of any questions I might or might not have asked.

I have been caught in the game of trying to hard to figure out who is the hydra and figuring who is saying what, fools game I say know though.

What do you mean, who is the hydra? trying to find the person behind it? If that's so, it's akin to trying to find who's alt X is and it seems quite hard to pull off, specially on your own. You admit it's a "fool's game" and yet, you do it and post it. why?

@brian

28: Your suggested alternative for "all it needs to be said" doesn't help me in my process of discerning how hydras work and how to best investigate them.
I don't care about approval (there's no "may I" there and I issued warnings) but I do care about their reactions to my questions. Are they helpful? Concerned? Do they ignore it? etc.

But I never said I liked his questions. They're pretty useless in my opinion and I don't see how they can help us scumhunt. After browsing other games, I feel like a lot of useless pages will be produced from arguing about them.

And yet, you didn't mention this. You only mention it now.

woah. you're really reading the whole thing? I'm so sorry for you.

@artemiskitty:

what whole rvs thing is true? (from 52)

@Rebel:

You posted some non-committal answers and nothing else in 45. Wasn't there anything you could talk about? anyone you could vote?
Also, when you say Rail, Briand and me (please, call me HP) seem rather town you seem to name 3 out of the 4 players I consider where available in the immediate beginning. You ommited SOS. Why? What do you see in us that you don't see in him?

notes:

- FuDuzn's reaction (after what could be like mild activity) to the votes on him is odd. A little too concerned. As if a scum player who thought himself acting in the same way as always was getting flak and immediately got annoyed.
- I'm taking saki's claim at face value for now but expect a confirmation and serious play when she comes back.
- Rail Tracer and SOS are my early leaning town reads. (It's just mild, I don't need to confuse aggressive and logical respectively with town but they appear intent to scumhunt, in their own way).
- hope to hear from mario and feng soon.

[Rebel Without a Pulse]

What assumptions can be safely made?

Follows these standards, game will be balanced, probably three scum, probably at least one investigative role & one protective role.

What assumptions can we not make?

Anything else, pretty much.

elaborate on why poirot seems rather town to you.

I think that his hate of hydrae from two years ago is genuine or else he wouldn't make a giant ranty post against it, and the way he's acted upon this hate is more indicative of a town mindset than a scum mindset. I don't really see an advantage as scum of "hydras suck!!!" either, so that's an added benefit. Why aren't you townreading him?

I'm really struggling to see how this raised a flag for you.

Do you think he sensed it as a point of weakness as scum?

I want HC to react to #98&99 first.

Why does your vote need to be on him in order for him to react?

Wasn't there anything you could talk about? anyone you could vote?

We could have voted Fegelein again, but I'm pretty fine with my vote on him and would find it a little redundant if we unvoted and voted the same person.

You ommited SOS. Why? What do you see in us that you don't see in him?

My sorting process usually goes something like: 1) Read someone as leaning scum, leaning town. 2) Treat them as town/scum, get into their head a bit. etc. etc. I've played enough with SoS that I usually get a strong read from the first few posts, so the "declare town" part usually isn't necessary, and ends up being detrimental when dealing with her as scum (the more uncomfortable, the better).

[Rebel Without a Pulse]

Yeah, I was writing a catch-up post yesterday but I fell asleep so there's that.

How long does it take you to catch up on 5 pages?

[Rebel Without a Pulse]

fuck, doubleposted.

Cabd, can you merge my previous two posts and delete this one? Tyvm!!

[Humble Poirot]

You're kidding, right?

Mod please delete one......or leave it. Who am I to tell you what to do.

15. I do not fix tags or edit posts, even if you ask me to.

[artemiskitty]

@Hp:

My experience with Fery is that she doesn't vote in RVS, but also the same with voting until she talks to her hydra partner.

So I'm currently waiting for my other head to log on Skype.

[artemiskitty]

I'm liking HP and rebel w/o a pulse for town. Slightly town reading Brian.

[Dessew]

I want HC to react to #98&99 first.

Why does your vote need to be on him in order for him to react?

[...]would find it a little redundant if we unvoted and voted the same person.

You basically answered your question. He might react in a scummy way. I have enough time to change my vote later.

Btw, I like both Rebel's and HP's last posts (well, except that hydra-nonsense, I hope it won't be discussed any further because it leads us nowhere.)

[Sound of Silence]

I'm really struggling to see how this raised a flag for you.

Do you think he sensed it as a point of weakness as scum?

I think that could be what was going on. And I didn't like how many times I had to poke back before he explained what he even meant.

What do you make of his posts overall and of our exchange?

You ommited SOS. Why? What do you see in us that you don't see in him?

My sorting process usually goes something like: 1) Read someone as leaning scum, leaning town. 2) Treat them as town/scum, get into their head a bit. etc. etc. I've played enough with SoS that I usually get a strong read from the first few posts, so the "declare town" part usually isn't necessary, and ends up being detrimental when dealing with her as scum (the more uncomfortable, the better).

Not so much discomfort as hall of mirrors style self-wifom.

Stubbs' first post gave off a pretty strong townfeel.

[FuDuzn]

Humble, or I could be town frustrated that I am being scum read for something I don't understand how it could possibly be scummy.

If you want lunch me than get it over with, I am used to micro games where losing one townie makes a big difference, losing me probably won't matter much here. And then you can all focus on actual scummy players.

[FuDuzn]

*lynch me I mean.

[Rebel Without a Pulse]

You're kidding, right?

Mod please delete one......or leave it. Who am I to tell you what to do.

15. I do not fix tags or edit posts, even if you ask me to.

Cabd

, please delete this post as well.

You basically answered your question. He might react in a scummy way. I have enough time to change my vote later.

I mean, he might react in a scummy way whether you're voting him or not. Why not vote who you think is scum?

What do you make of his posts overall and of our exchange?

I have a slight townread on that exchange, simply because he's finding something he doesn't like and biting into it. I have to be careful with him since I occasionally lynch the hell out of him and he's usually not scum when that happens.

Not so much discomfort as hall of mirrors style self-wifom.

And the fewer escape routes you have, the better.

[Sound of Silence]

And the fewer escape routes you have, the better.

I'm talking about my read of you. Figuring out whether town- or scum-nacho is more likely to make this explicit could take a while. It's bollixed up my methodology for reading you almost as much as your ambiguity-injection post-buzzword bingo did.

[HopefullyCynical]

Dessew and SOS, you are both correct in thinking I am scummy for not having placed a vote yet. I wanted to make sure I understood hydras before I posted further/made a vote. I feel like if I posted without somewhat of an understanding it would only be hurting the townies and I since I could potentially mislead them. That being said, it is scummy of me to not have a vote down yet. Thank you for the explanation of the hydras SOS, it helped me a lot. I also want to apologize to the group for contributing to the "hydra nonsense" but it helped me, so thank you.

So far HP, and Rail seem town to me. FuDuzn is kinda scum so far, especially in (116) where he just sort of gives up and resigns to his fate after fighting it quite a bit. Could be an appeal to emotion? I definitely think there are some scum on his wagon though.

I would also like to know why you voted for me Dessew. We have quite a few players not voting, why pick me?

Vote: Fegelein

[HopefullyCynical]

Yes, he's certainly the scummiest player now, imo.

I want HC to react to #98&99 first.

Dessew, I am reading this as "Yes, I think FuDuzn is the scummiest player right now. I want HC to react first." Is that correct? Or is it "Yes, I have a reason for keeping my vote on HC, HC is the scummiest player right now."?

[Cabd]

Daniel Bryan replaces Zakk, who failed to pick up his role PM, effective immediately.

[Daniel Bryan]

YES! YES! YES!

I'll most likely read this later.

[HopefullyCynical]

Welcome Daniel Bryan!

Also, I guess I forgot to include it in my post, I think Fegelein is scummy at the moment. He hasn't posted anything worthwhile and seems content to fly under the radar. I'd like to see more from him.