Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[Venmar]

AM I GOOD ENOUGH TO PLAY A GAME WITH
OR ARE YOU TOO HIGH ELO FOR ME ;_;

sorry dont think you can handle my bronze 3 elo

also no i just got off league cause i was really mad

[Venmar]

sorry andy bbg <3 <3 <3 <3

next time i log on ok? i promise

[Andrius]

bby come back ill carry you with my reallyshitty jungle fizz

predit: kk <3

[Ghostlin]

I'm mystified with the question, BnB. Is there something respective to Mala and Mastin's alignments I should be reading into?

Because bluntly, in my opinion, just because Mastin, who's a high Town read is voting my high scum read doesn't make her more scum, it only makes me seem less crazy in my own mind.

[Ghostlin]

He's fitting a case to his read which has been incredibly inconsistent on Mala to begin with. Ergo, HE DOESN'T FEEL MALA IS SCUM.

Are you saying that Nick and Mala can't be scum together with this sentence? Because I don't necessarily feel that way with your logic at all.

[Faster Than Light]

@Andy

: I wanna play league with you. My username is "Varsoon", if you want to play sometime.

@Ghostlin

: Took a nap and came back and now you're on the court. You wanna jam with me?
Also, now that I'm here and you're here, wanna know anything?

@B&B

: Look, I understand that trust has to be earned. I was banned from the site for 2 weeks over something I highly contested but I'm still playing this game despite that. Is that not proof of my dedication to the game itself? I spent 15 hours, in this game, writing out ISO cases to support my reads list. Doesn't that show that I'm invested? I have this game open on a tab on my browser and I haven't navigated away since it began, because I don't want to miss anything--I've spent more time on this game than I have in my Grad school seminars and even doing work for grad school. Does that mean nothing to you? I even sent Bork the entire Xenogears Perfect Works (translated and in HQ scans) just so he'd have even more of a handle on the source material.
If you can't trust me after the literal days of work I've put into this game, then I don't think you'll ever trust me. What wins trust? Being on wagons that give scum flips? If that was the case, Scum would always bus their allies. No. So, I ask again, what do I have to do to make you believe me, to make you trust that I'm not just talking out of my ass, that I've thoroughly figured out a play that'll be amazing and get a lot of good info? Because it hurts a lot, it really sucks when the players I got into this game with and have looked up to since the day I started playing on Mafiascum call my plays bullshit and shenanigans and they just dismiss what I have to say. I'm trying my best to earn it, I'm here, I'm dedicated. I've cried over this damn game, and gotten angry, and almost put a hole in my wall. I've been through a move across the country, and I've been through a short-lived relationship where I was essentially told I wasn't good enough--despite how fucking transient my life has been for the last three months, I've been here and the game's been here for me. Why can't you be?


-V

[Ghostlin]

@Ghostlin: Took a nap and came back and now you're on the court. You wanna jam with me?
Also, now that I'm here and you're here, wanna know anything?

Yes and Yes, and I'll try to make the question not sound trite. Will your gambit still work even with a Nick lynch? In other words, does it work in reverse?

[Aj The Epic]

He's fitting a case to his read which has been incredibly inconsistent on Mala to begin with. Ergo, HE DOESN'T FEEL MALA IS SCUM.

Are you saying that Nick and Mala can't be scum together with this sentence? Because I don't necessarily feel that way with your logic at all.

It could, but it could also mean scum have leashed him in favor of keeping Mala alive. His case is delayed even with school (spoiler: 50% of this game is probably in school or college right about now) and I have a feeling it's going to come over really weak or mirroring one of the cases that has already been said. Though, you know as well as I do it isn't a hard task to find scummy posts in Mala's iso.

Essentially correct, yes. BRO fell off again. BRO's a null--I can't say with certainty he's scum, but I can't cite any kind of behavior or post that's makes me fucking secure about BRO, and he's neither pissed me off or reached out to me. This in and of itself bothers me, kind of like AJ.

I personally like what you've been doing. You're one of the few who has Mala as a scum read for two days now and you've pursued it. And you've got similar enough reads that I don't feel the need to compare and synchronize perfectly by going "Here's my reads, this is what we need to argue". Why argue them? There really isn't much to bother with to begin with, anyways. I just don't think today is the day for Mala's lynch. Tomorrow, I plan on having you, bro, and I getting Mala lynched. I rarely reach out to begin with and when I do, it's fairly brief before I go back to my own reads and theories.

[zMuffinMan]

The general ease with which people are handing out townreads is making me nervous, given that I abused the fuck out of that last game to coast to the win.

This seems genuine.

I disagree for two reasons. The first is that I saw this as similar to his initial "omg nobody is voting me for being scum in the last game!" comment. It felt fake, it felt like he was bringing it to make people think "hey, i was scum there doing it, this time i'm town and not doing it, give me a town read!" The second reason is that I think this was an attempt to discredit the town reads being handed out at the time (which, iirc, were mostly to players like bnb, sos, mac, ghostlin, and I was townreading ftl at the time, etc etc).

Andy I have 0 understanding of your thought process in townreading me because you don't talk about why I'm town. We have a lot of differing reads, so it's certainly not a case of "his reads look good, must be town."

This looks good too.

*shrug* Maybe it's because I'm already scum reading him, but this looks null at best to me. I'm pretty sure I have used this line before as scum when someone is townreading me, and you've probably said something similar as well.

So it's scummy to let town stall out to a no-lynch>?

Got it.

BRO framed this like Rach was gonna flip town, which makes me feel good about him.

It was an immediate reaction to BnB calling his hammer scummy. I don't see anything that indicates he thought RM would flip town.

2322- And yet I’m the one who hammered the scum four hours before deadline ^_^ (we’ll ignore FTL showing up as a 12th vote)

Okay I’m just being a dick about this now. #sorrynotsorry.

And this gloating reads town as fuck.

Again, maybe because I'm already scum reading him, but this was null to me at best. I see this as him milking the fact that he apparently could have let the day stall out to a no-lynch - in reality, this is utter bullshit, and he knows it (maybe in a different game with less activity it may have been more valid, but in this game? lol no). Conversely, I see the hammer as BRO-scum wanting to milk the fact that he didn't let it stall to a no-lynch and instead lynched scum. He was already under heavy suspicion at the time. It's not unreasonable that he did it so that he could bring it up the following day (which he did in his very first post, surprise surprise).

[Trust Fund]

Sorry mollie, I was busy with andy kicking nacho's ass in Vi's mini theme.

I'm back now though! With fresh new meta!

[zMuffinMan]

I'll do so tomorrow as well, but besides Mastin, I trust the Nick wagon as a whole more than the Mala wagon.

Who are you talking about specifically here, and why does this matter when you think mala is scum much more strongly than you think nick is (to the point that you've admitted you have doubts about nick because of your other scum reads)

Also, how the fuck is sheeping your town reads even a legitimate excuse. This is fucking lazy, and just serves as an excuse. If nick flips town, you have th convenient, "oh, I thought my town reads were right!" excuse.

It worries me that you've seemingly become more and more confident with this nick lynch without much reason.

So I asked BnB if they would help with Mala tomorrow IF I helped with Nick today.

I hate this reasoning so much, and this is the reason I will never be part of a town bloc. Trying to set up lynches like this is fucking dumb.

But hey, since we're in the habit of setting up lynches, if nick

and

mala are consecutively lynched today and tomorrow and both flip town, I want AJ dead the following day, no questions asked.

[zMuffinMan]

Scum PGO, maybe. If those are a thing.

You cannot be serious.

There're still the few MS posts I don't like

Which ones and why?

Venmar is the only name on it I don't like.

I've missed it if you've stated why, so why?

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bro keeps moving up up up the town tier

Why?

If you happened to be wrong about nick and mala (I forget if you're reading mala as scum, but I'm just going to assume you are), would this change?

[BROseidon]

@muffin, just gonna answer your questions to me and let you have your convo about me with Nacho:

Why is scum-PGO not possible? I'm saying I think he's scum, so I think either his claim is fake or he's a scum PGO.

The two I linked to earlier where on day 1 where he says "lurkerbro is townbro" and then "lurkerbro is scumbro" later.

I'm scumreading Venmar largely for how he interacted with the Rach wagon yesterday. He pushed to discredit it, but he never actually gave reasons as to why Rach was town. Instead, he used vague appeals to meta, like "I scumread Rach last game and this is not scum Rach" despite the fact, as I've pointed out, that Rach last game played more like her town self than this game because she could use the multiball to cover the big weakness in her scumgame (that she can't fabricate scumhunting). It was a slightly less obvious way of doing what Mala was doing.

I also failed to look at the right vote count until Mastin posted it. Nick was on the wagon and nhammen/Mala stated support but never jumped on, so those names I also like.

[zMuffinMan]

Why is scum-PGO not possible? I'm saying I think he's scum, so I think either his claim is fake or he's a scum PGO.

No. You did not say you think he's lying. That would have been the first thing I think you would have said if you were town (especially since that was the question nacho was asking you), and I've been dwelling on what you said about scum PGO so I'm going to go on a little bit of a rant here.

Someone tell me how what BRO just said about a scum PGO makes any sense from a town perspective.

If BRO was town and legitimately thinks Venmar is scum, he should think Venmar is lying about being a PGO. That would be the rational thinking from a town mindset. Because a scum-PGO is the most over-powered role I could think of in a large game like this.

So instead of thinking the idea of a scum-PGO is absurd, he doesn't go to the first reasonable possibility (that Venmar is lying) like he should have.

I could see scum-BRO thinking town-Venmar is a PGO and trying to make it seem like Venmar could be this magically fucking OP scum-PGO, but town-BRO thinking this? Really?

The two I linked to earlier where on day 1 where he says "lurkerbro is townbro" and then "lurkerbro is scumbro" later.

I think I already mentioned that the inconsistency here is weird, but why do you think scum-MS would blatantly lie about it and go back on it later? What possible benefit would this serve scum-MS? Or are you just saying this was a mistake and he was lying about his reasons and somehow forgot what he said about you earlier?

Instead, he used vague appeals to meta, like "I scumread Rach last game and this is not scum Rach" despite the fact, as I've pointed out, that Rach last game played more like her town self than this game because she could use the multiball to cover the big weakness in her scumgame (that she can't fabricate scumhunting).

Oh, really? Then what about the 10 other people who said the same thing about RM D1? Are they all scum for the same reason, too? Because I can go back and point to how many people said they either think RM is town or RM always plays like this if I need to.

If it wasn't already obvious, I think this line of reasoning is extremely shallow.

[BROseidon]

1) Your logic about what I would think as town is weak 1) Because your pushing weak semantics, and 2) Scum PGO may be fine. I only know what my role is, what NS's is, what the flips are, and what claims are in play. I don't have enough information to gauge whether a scum-PGO makes sense or not.

2) MS plays a janky game that I'm not particularly strong at reading. Notice how I've put the slot towards the bottom of my townreads.

3) The people who did it most prominently and in the laziest way were Venmar and Mala. Guess who got scumreads out of it.

[Venmar]

Bro's case on me is BS and fabricated in every way possible. He's probably being obtuse on purpose since anyone with a brain could read my interaction with RM as town.

[BROseidon]

Bro's case on me is BS and fabricated in every way possible. He's probably being obtuse on purpose since anyone with a brain could read my interaction with RM as town.

Except I'm not the only one reading it that way.

[Venmar]

Why is scum-PGO not possible? I'm saying I think he's scum, so I think either his claim is fake

or he's a scum PGO.

You're officially retarded for trying to justify this as being possible

[Nachomamma8]

Bro's case on me is BS and fabricated in every way possible. He's probably being obtuse on purpose since anyone with a brain could read my interaction with RM as town.

you know when it's all said and done.
i'm probably gonna vote you until you're dead.

[Ghostlin]

Bro's case on me is BS and fabricated in every way possible. He's probably being obtuse on purpose since anyone with a brain could read my interaction with RM as town.

Self-meta's a bitch, isn't it?

Hey, Mastin, why is this guy Town again?

[Venmar]

BRO is uber scum for those posts...

Mac or BRO... WHICH SHOULD I TAKE?!?! *cue rebecca black*

[BROseidon]

BRO is uber scum for those posts...

Mac or BRO... WHICH SHOULD I TAKE?!?! *cue rebecca black*

But not Nacho for thinking the same way I am?

Wat?

[BROseidon]

Or Ghost.

[Venmar]

Ninjad by Nacho and Ghostlin

Sorry guys, it seems Mastin and Muffin are the only ones who can read me. Therefore i'm not sure if i care if you guys think im scum

[Ghostlin]

Or Ghost.

Oh, I'm agreeing that the whole 'my meta with RM means I'm town' is a bridge too far. I do think you're a bit cracked for justifying scum PGO over him being a shitty liar.