Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[BROseidon]

btw did you ever do that?

Ugh I forgot.

I'll do that now.

[Trust Fund]

Man, thinking there might be a scum PGO. That's almost as bad as thinking there'd be a scum vig in a game with no third party factions confirmed by the mod before the start of the game.

[Venmar]

If you're not going to try to convince me to change my mind, why is my mind going to change?

- AKA "I know you're town cause im scum, and I want you to give me a chance to give me a reason to read you town un-conspiculously"

[Venmar]

Man, thinking there might be a scum PGO. That's almost as bad as thinking there'd be a scum vig in a game with no third party factions confirmed by the mod before the start of the game.

Vote BRO

[BROseidon]

his opening is obviously different from Xenoblade and MyLo.
i'm not even more than normally confident Andy is town (haven't put my time in yet), but the cases I've skimmed so

far aren't looking for the right things.

The insult thing is a great aspect of his meta but you might be misinterpreting some of his insults.

Are you scum with Andy or something

Pushed Andy/Nacho scumteam. Something I pointed out in my big catchup post that everyone discredited is that a lot of people were pushing the Andy/Nacho theory from the get-go, which from the Rach flip looks bad for the people who were pushing it.

pedit: Okay maybe my ideas of reasonable setup design are crazy >.>

pedit2: Or I'm town trying to ask you to convince me that you're town because I'm scumreading you.

[Venmar]

LOL LOOK AT BRO BACKPEDALING ON CALLING ME A SCUM PGO CAUSE NO ONE AGREES WITH HIM

[zMuffinMan]

That's almost as bad as thinking there'd be a scum vig

i can see the endgame now.

notscience, mutley and lynchbait at lylo.

it makes me sad thinking about it because it's a very real possibility.

Pushed Andy/Nacho scumteam.

. . . that was a push?

in your opinion, why did venmar never vote andrius during this... push?

[Venmar]

Or I'm town trying to ask you to convince me that you're town because I'm scumreading you.

- Except you publicly stating that fact is not a town mentality so yeah bummer for you

[Venmar]

his opening is obviously different from Xenoblade and MyLo.
i'm not even more than normally confident Andy is town (haven't put my time in yet), but the cases I've skimmed so

far aren't looking for the right things.

The insult thing is a great aspect of his meta but you might be misinterpreting some of his insults.

Are you scum with Andy or something

Pushed Andy/Nacho scumteam.

Oh yeah what a push, mhmhmmm

[BROseidon]

When you try to make every single little thing about a person scummy, then you're just trying to fit the person to the read

Not enough l's and o's right now.

[BROseidon]

. . . that was a push?

in your opinion, why did venmar never vote andrius during this... push?

Because he was tunneling mastin all of day 1. He generally doesn't talk about Andy.

[Trust Fund]

i can see the endgame now.

notscience, mutley and lynchbait at lylo.

it makes me sad thinking about it because it's a very real possibility.

If scum manages to play well enough to keep an IC around till lylo, ns or not, I think they deserve the win for being that good.

[BROseidon]

Isoing now, did control+f for "Andy" and got back surprisingly little. Skimming everything now to make sure there isn't some in-context stuff I missed.

[Trust Fund]

And I still want to know why you think scum has a vig.

[Venmar]

I stand by #1644 , honestly still don't regret not voting Rach.

I'm going to go to sleep, but if I wake up to 0 new BRO votes, I will probably just afk until end of day phase

[BROseidon]

Oh, Venmar refers to Andy as "Andrius" sometimes.

And his townread of Andy is meh. Could probably construe it as towny, but it's null.

[Faster Than Light]

@Ghostlin: Took a nap and came back and now you're on the court. You wanna jam with me?
Also, now that I'm here and you're here, wanna know anything?

Yes and Yes, and I'll try to make the question not sound trite. Will your gambit still work even with a Nick lynch? In other words, does it work in reverse?

Yeah, it should still work with a Nick lynch, but I made it with Mala's flip and the Nick/Mala relationship in mind.

[Trust Fund]

@Ghostlin: Took a nap and came back and now you're on the court. You wanna jam with me?
Also, now that I'm here and you're here, wanna know anything?

Yes and Yes, and I'll try to make the question not sound trite. Will your gambit still work even with a Nick lynch? In other words, does it work in reverse?

Yeah, it should still work with a Nick lynch, but I made it with Mala's flip and the Nick/Mala relationship in mind.

If your gambit is passive instead of active, then you can have my blessings, not that it's worth much. (Aka no more derailing the nick lynch kthnx)

[Ghostlin]

i can see the endgame now.

notscience, mutley and lynchbait at lylo.

it makes me sad thinking about it because it's a very real possibility.

*curls up into a ball and cries.*

[Ghostlin]

. . . that was a push?

in your opinion, why did venmar never vote andrius during this... push?

Because he was tunneling mastin all of day 1. He generally doesn't talk about Andy.

The Day 1 Mastin wagon will have gold at the end of that rainbow. Seriously. You will need to go back to it later. That was a scum push, I promise you all.

[Ghostlin]

^Most important Ghostlin post this game. If you ignore everything damn thing else that comes out of my fingertips, don't fucking forget that.

[zMuffinMan]

He generally doesn't talk about Andy.

that would generally lead me to believe he

wasn't

pushing the idea that andy is scum. which sort of contradicts your idea that he did do this...

Isoing now, did control+f for "Andy" and got back surprisingly little. Skimming everything now to make sure there isn't some in-context stuff I missed.

ok, i'll make it easy for you since i have read venmar's entire iso today (and this is why i am confident he is town).

there was a point near the end of the d1 where he mentioned voting andrius over rm, but that's it. 2086 for reference, and i don't think this is scummy.

[Ghostlin]

Also, I do have to mention. This is a game from two years ago as me as a conditional scum-day vig.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=17439

Not my best work (although I won with a flavor cop having essentally a fucking guilty on me).

[BROseidon]

there was a point near the end of the d1 where he mentioned voting andrius over rm, but that's it. 2086 for reference, and i don't think this is scummy.

I don't think it's town either.

I saw that, and I think that it's null. What's more relevant is how he tried to derail the Rach wagon.

[zMuffinMan]

And I still want to know why you think scum has a vig.

it's not that i think this

is

the case. it's just a possibility i'm not stupidly ruling out, given how fucking shit mutley's play has been, compounded with skullduggery being just as bad.

also if mutley

is

scum, then him coasting to lylo isn't all that fucking difficult given how many people are ruling out the possibility of a scum vig, and the fact that he is useless and won't be nked if he is town.

regardless, why the fuck is this such a big deal to you? do you not have other things in this game to comment on?

or are you still toying with the idea that i'm scum or something? if so, why?

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What's more relevant is how he tried to derail the Rach wagon.

but again, if this was his intention, then there were surely better ways he could have gone about it, don't you agree?

he could have actually pushed it strongly. he could have voted for a legitimate counter-wagon. he could have tried to discredit the cases with more than "rm is town coz meta".

but he didn't do any of this. instead he voiced his (imo genuine-looking) opinion and a few times then left it alone while pursuing his scum reads...