Mini 1482: Castle - A Mafia Murder So Vile (GAME OVER)

[Desperado]

I don't think that was the time to distance, to be honest.

Why? Do you really think a Mantis flashwagon was viable?

And the totally dropped it on the next page with no prompting, even though you voted with her.

[FakeGod]

My big deal with Desp's tracker claim is this

"The Tracker is an informative role that can target a player at Night and learn who, if anybody, that player targeted the same night (but not the action the player performed).
Trackers have been seen as each alignment.
This version of Tracker, and only this version of Tracker, is considered Normal on mafiascum.net."

He wouldn't know what night action Mantis took, only who he hypothetically targeted. Wisdom was such a turd, I'm sure he would have had all kinds of targeting N2. The way Desp came in with the go!go!go! Kind of tone reeks of scum. That's undeniable.

Impossible. Mantis had already claimed neighbor.

Desp knew that mantis cannot possibly visit anyone if Mantis was telling the truth about his role.

Therefore, Desp knew that he had a guilty coming into d3.

Reply?

[serrapaladin]

3 is site meta. 2 is actually more balanced, but less common.

[Bert]

Desp, mantis got to lynch freakin -1

On day 1

With like, hours till deadline

P-edit: okay...

[Desperado]

He wouldn't know what night action Mantis took, only who he hypothetically targeted. Wisdom was such a turd, I'm sure he would have had all kinds of targeting N2. The way Desp came in with the go!go!go! Kind of tone reeks of scum. That's undeniable.

Are you fucking shitting me. We already had a BG flip. The odds of a 3rd visiting town role are extremely low. And Mantis had already claimed not to have an action, so...

[serrapaladin]

I don't think that was the time to distance, to be honest.

Why? Do you really think a Mantis flashwagon was viable?

And the totally dropped it on the next page with no prompting, even though you voted with her.

Totally. Peng did have intent to hammer on her not much later...

[Natirasha]

Nati, if desp is scum, do you think he came up with leaving you alive and claim a guilty?

I could see any of you, FakeGod, or Desp bringing that idea up.

Given what she did next I have no idea why you think that can't be distancing

@ Nat: You're basically saying "crumbing = town, no crumbing = scum" when you crumbed and I didn't. It isn't even subtle.

Sup, "what I did next"? Like, you know, run up my supposed scumbuddy to L-1 with intent to hammer on the table?

Crumbing has nothing to do with scumminess-you brought your own grave on that--but it does give credence to claims. I was crumbing from day one. Yes, scum can crumb too, but do you deny that it makes you believe a claim any more?

@Serra: I'm willing to bus as scum. Sadly, I don't have any usable completed games as scum to bring up. I wouldn't run my scumbuddy up to L-1 on a deadline lynch, though. That's dumb.

[waynegg]

wayne, if Desp is scum, he just killed himself with that claim.

Why would he do that? Especially since according to you, he wasn't in really in danger of getting lynched for d1 or d2.

Mantis lynch is the correct lynch for today.

I've already answered this twice. This is the last time and I'll make it big and bold so you can't miss it this time.

BECAUSE IT WOULD TAKE THE GAME TO MYLO WITH NO FLIPPED SCUM. FROM THERE IT'S STATISTICALLY HIGHLY IMPROBABLE FOR TOWN TO WIN. THE PROPER QUESTION IS WHY WOULDN'T HE. IT HAS ALL THE SCUMOTIVATION IN THE WORLD TO DO SO.

If mantis flips town, then desp gets lynched tomorrow and flip scum.

Then, town would be in MyLo with a flipped scum.

Reply?

Perpetual mylo with 2 more (most likely in my mind) to flip isn't a favorable condition for town to win. That gives scum 2 chances for a blind town to mislynch and lose. I guarantee they would take out the town eyes next, Nati if you will.

And Desp...no, I see no town motivation to anything you've done this game including the Tracker deal.

[Malakittens]

3.04

with nine alive it will take five to lynch.

*waynegg -
*Sweet Pertayter -
*FakeGod -
*Mantisdreamz - Desperado, FakeGod [2]
*Serrapaladin -
*Desperado - Natirasha, Mantisdreamz, waynegg [3]
*Bert -
*Natirasha -
*penguin_alien -

Not Voting [4]: penguin_alien, bert, Sweet Pertayter, Serrapaladin

Chapter 3 Ends..

Day 3 ends in (expired on 2013-09-19 12:55:00)

[Desperado]

I don't think that was the time to distance, to be honest.

Why? Do you really think a Mantis flashwagon was viable?

And the totally dropped it on the next page with no prompting, even though you voted with her.

Totally. Peng did have intent to hammer on her not much later...

What? The posts you just gave had Mantis with 3 votes, and Nat unvoted her and voted you in 602

[waynegg]

Then stop sounding so fake, mantis! :/

@wayne: mantis claimed not to have a night-action. Stop being stupid.

That was a hypothetical. I even said hypothetical. That's to illustrate the Desp would have no clue what his target did, just who he targeted. Now don't twist my words or I might think you're trying to trick me.

[Desperado]

Crumbing has nothing to do with scumminess-you brought your own grave on that--but it does give credence to claims. I was crumbing from day one. Yes, scum can crumb too, but do you deny that it makes you believe a claim any more?

Yes, I deny it. Anyone who is swayed to believe a claim because the claimer crumbed their role is setting themselves up for failure.

[waynegg]

Waynegg, mantis claimed neighbor though

Do neighbors get extra abilities

Usually, no. They just get to talk to each other at night

[serrapaladin]

You make very little sense, egg.

[Bert]

Okay making sure, cuz I was in Serra's last game with meighbors but it was normal game setup

[Natirasha]

Desp

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p5235175

Bert unvotes next, then Lynx the post after.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree on crumbs.

[Desperado]

Then stop sounding so fake, mantis! :/

@wayne: mantis claimed not to have a night-action. Stop being stupid.

That was a hypothetical. I even said hypothetical. That's to illustrate the Desp would have no clue what his target did, just who he targeted. Now don't twist my words or I might think you're trying to trick me.

Your hypothetical doesn't mean jack shit because Mantis had already claimed not to have an action, and the possibility of a 3rd visiting town role is low enough that it isn't worth consideration. For all intents and purposes, I know Mantis killed Wisdom.

[serrapaladin]

You CAN give neighbours any ability you want. Mantis claimed to be JUST a neighbour though.

[Desperado]

Nat, I think the salient point is that you had to edit in your unvote, meaning you were ready to move on from Mantis but got surprised by the support and couldn't afford to get cold feet. The entire exchange was really awkward and your "holy shit I think we're on to something here" in particular reads like scum trying to hedge (which you did later).

[waynegg]

My big deal with Desp's tracker claim is this

"The Tracker is an informative role that can target a player at Night and learn who, if anybody, that player targeted the same night (but not the action the player performed).
Trackers have been seen as each alignment.
This version of Tracker, and only this version of Tracker, is considered Normal on mafiascum.net."

He wouldn't know what night action Mantis took, only who he hypothetically targeted. Wisdom was such a turd, I'm sure he would have had all kinds of targeting N2. The way Desp came in with the go!go!go! Kind of tone reeks of scum. That's undeniable.

Impossible. Mantis had already claimed neighbor.

Desp knew that mantis cannot possibly visit anyone if Mantis was telling the truth about his role.

Therefore, Desp knew that he had a guilty coming into d3.

Reply?

There's nothing which precludes neighbor from having an addition role other than the fact that Mala told me this is a normal game. By your own statement, Mantis couldn't target anybody for anything and Wisdom did flip neighbor, ergo Mantis is also neighbor. Mantis could be scum, yes but if he's neighbor he probably doesn't get to input the kill. That would most likely be some other team scum member.

[serrapaladin]

Mala told me this is a normal game

Sorry, what?

[Bert]

Wow this game is normal according to Mala

:0 didn't know dat

[Desperado]

Also, you knew Mantis would be able to claim neighbor with Wisdom and dodge the lynch, so I'm really not concerned with your behavior there

[serrapaladin]

Wait, how are we getting setup info out of Mala?

[Desperado]

My big deal with Desp's tracker claim is this

"The Tracker is an informative role that can target a player at Night and learn who, if anybody, that player targeted the same night (but not the action the player performed).
Trackers have been seen as each alignment.
This version of Tracker, and only this version of Tracker, is considered Normal on mafiascum.net."

He wouldn't know what night action Mantis took, only who he hypothetically targeted. Wisdom was such a turd, I'm sure he would have had all kinds of targeting N2. The way Desp came in with the go!go!go! Kind of tone reeks of scum. That's undeniable.

Impossible. Mantis had already claimed neighbor.

Desp knew that mantis cannot possibly visit anyone if Mantis was telling the truth about his role.

Therefore, Desp knew that he had a guilty coming into d3.

Reply?

There's nothing which precludes neighbor from having an addition role other than the fact that Mala told me this is a normal game. By your own statement, Mantis couldn't target anybody for anything and Wisdom did flip neighbor, ergo Mantis is also neighbor. Mantis could be scum, yes but if he's neighbor he probably doesn't get to input the kill. That would most likely be some other team scum member.

Neighbor isn't an active ability and would have no relevance to who can perform the kill.