Mini 1489 - VisCon: Murder at Wingate Mansion [Game Over]

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 2.3

The Purple Shoe [1] - Shadoweh
Nachomamma8 [2] - Tammy, Bert
Generic [1] - qwints
Inte [2] - Ms Marangal, Nachomamma8
Ms Marangal [1] - Generic

Not Voting [4] - Empire, inte, The Purple Shoe, projectmatt

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

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Deadline is September 15, 2013, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-09-15 13:00:00)

[Empire]

Alright, I'm back at my computer. Before I catch up and get into anything else, I am going to throw this out there again because I think either people missed it or it just got ignored.

I really really think we should consider an open, in-thread massclaim.

Off the top of my head, I can think of two immediate benefits to this idea:
1) It'll allow us to gain some insight into the setup, which is crucial to determining what Desperado actually was so we can move forward from that. If we come to the conclusion that he's factional scum, we can do the usual thing where we mine his ISO for interactions, etc.
2) The Desperado situation makes me think that either scum didn't have fakeclaims (probably more likely since I remember this to be the case in the other FG game I looked at) or that the mod simply fucked up. If it's the former, a massclaim would really box the scum in with what they can claim which can further our PoE.

Since Marangal's already been outed, I don't think we stand to lose a whole lot with this plan and I think we can gain a lot.

[Tammy]

how open are you suggesting?

[Empire]

Everything. Name, role, flavor, the works.

Also, I think you said in the Neighborhood that inte suspected the setup to be high powered, which is actually pretty fucking bizarre given what kuribo claimed in thread. It could be that he knows more than he lets on.

What were the contents of his AtEish post that Llamarble found townish?

[Tammy]

if we mass claim, i want to go lastish

[Bert]

Im just called a Servant.

I'm Town.

Just a VT

[Bert]

Geez I should go to sleep soon I just did that without much forethought lol I'm okay with a massclaim btw

[Ms Marangal]

Generic isn't town Desp and I havn't been wrong on a scum-gen Read in the 10+ games I have had with him.

No, My suspicion came right when I voted for you otherwise I wouldn't have done so, but you trying to paint that naked vote as scummy before I explained it made that suspicion stronger. as did you pre-planning every little attack you would have on a person

and yes, you are playing your cocky game. You also played that game in my open.

My argument isn't my Meta, it's what you should expect out of me based on what you know and what you've based your attacks on me so far and how they don't jive. also, instead of answering it, you just throw out more questions.

You're attacking me "Pocket scum-tells" that town very easily commit and aren't even scum-tells to begin with (Naked voting, OMGUS?, resistance to giving reads) without even looking at the mindset of a player.

You're playing the victim while doing your share of calling people "anti-town or scum" when they even dare to question you. You've shot down the validity of any case anyone may have had against you by doing this


Shadow, you think Garan is scum? why?

See, this cockiness has gone completely. Absolute certainty I'm scum cos she's never been wrong.

Answer me that mara.

answer what?

that cockiness had disappeared by the middle of D1

I can't see you being scum with Desperado and I seriously doubt that there could have been a chance that three people could have died in a single day/night phase

I also can't see nacho as scum with Desp

why did I poison Shadoweh? Because I still had incredible amounts of paranoia on her, and I still felt that I should clean out my neighborhood >.>

even if I was "scum" I claimed Poisoner so that means that I can't have killed Marble and, if Shadoweh isn't dead by the end of the day phase, you can kill me tomorrow

I like the idea of the massclaim

[Bert]

I have no name. Im just called a servant...

[Empire]

Oh and I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but did Llamarble claim in the QT or no?

[Tammy]

his string of posts included him saying that he thought desperado was sk flavor, that he thought it was a 3 man group or was being paranoid, and that he was "feely", both marble and I asked him why he came into the game and immediately called me scum but he didn't answer. Then marble asked him to claim and he didn't answer. Then he said he was working a lot of hours and he didn't read the whole game started skimming at some point, you were mentioned in his role pm but not a lot, basically as just the person to invite us, and figured we were the others mentioned in his role pm (which makes sense, albert and aetis are mentioned in mine.

[Tammy]

well I'll keep that to myself for right now, if that's all right.

[Empire]

That's fine.

Tammy, if we agree to do this, I'm fine with you deciding the order or having Bert popcorn to someone else since he already claimed.

[Bert]

Tammy decide the order please

[Tammy]

generic has claimed servant, vt and so has bert right?

I'm good with either of nacho or shadoweh claiming and popcorning

I'd say inte, but who knows when he's going to show up.

[Empire]

I seriously doubt that there could have been a chance that three people could have died in a single day/night phase

And by the way, this is another reason I was heavily doubting that Desperado was an SK but couldn't say anything about it.

[Generic]

I want mara to give the order of people to claim...

[Generic]

Oh and mara, even if you are town I'm claiming technical victory...

Cos where you and I learnt our mafia trade the lovers role and certainly the poisoner role are scummy roles

Nailed it page two

[Ms Marangal]

inte
projectmatt
The Purple Shoe
Nachomamma8
Tammy

I don't think anyone else needs to claim

Generic already Servant IIRC

[Ms Marangal]

I might be remembering wrong, but I'm pretty sure there was a game ran with town lovers

[Ms Marangal]

but

if it makes you feel any better, I also "claimed scum" to both Empire and Shadow

[Nachomamma8]

i'm ok with a massclaim, i suppose.
i'll hold my setup speculation until my turn.

[Shadoweh]

zzzz I'm June Wingate, part of the Wingate Family. The only thing I've got is a quicktopic full of traitorous wretches. I should have suspected my family would poison me to get my inheritance for themselves.
Generic: You probably shouldn't pat yourself on the back for trying to lynch confirmed town since post 1?

I can't even popcorn to Bert because he jumped the cue, have I mentioned I hate you so much? Nacho can go next. I think everyone else besides Tammy has claimed VT anyways.

PS lists are for scrubs even when they're coming from masons, popcorn or bust.

[Tammy]

uh uh no, we're gonna have a fight

qwints and shadoweh are claiming.

and i'm not claiming before they do.

[Tammy]

empire's claiming too sorry

this is my problem with your damn neighborhood