Mini 1496: The Cash Cabd (Game Over)

[Humble Poirot]

@Dessew: Have you read my analysis of HC's lie (detailed per request in 171)?

[Rail Tracer]

Explain why the scumhunting isn't genuine and offer examples of people with genuine scumhunting (and, if there are, people with fake scumhunting as well).

i don't think it's genuine because i don't see you properly analysing motivation. as a general rule, i consider people who try to read between the lines of posts to be genuinely scum hunting.

examples in this game? nacho-hydra, sos, artemis. to some extent, isaac. i liked mario's post on hc, too. incidentally, outside of sos i think these players are town (sos i'm thinking could be town but i have a gut nagging that's not letting me put him in my town list).

What are your reads on the players of this game?

outside of the ones mentioned above, i'm town reading fuduzn.

i don't feel good about cynical and dessew but i don't think they're scum together so i'm still sorting this out.

others i don't have a read one way or the other.

[Dessew]

@Dessew: Have you read my analysis of HC's lie (detailed per request in 171)?

Yes, I have. My main problem is that he screwd up the chronology. If you have just a little time to read it (writing is a completely different case) and you don't spot such a mistake, you probably take medicines or go to therapies because of this "specialness".

SoS, Mario and Daniel are leaning town. Their posts seem genuine. SoS defends his reads, but also considers changing them sometimes (for instance: #162). I can't bring up any better rerasoning than genuineness regarding the others.

[Rail Tracer]

@dessew,

if fuduzn is town, who is scum?

[Dessew]

HP is the first one who comes into my mind. His #163 is off as I reread it. I mean the parts about Fu. He lists a couple of things saying that he's scummy, and actually calls him scummy, but he votes HC because of that lie thing, and keeps pushing you. As if he didn't want to take a stand, only give something little everywhere. I'm gonna think a little more about it.

[Cabd]

Vote Count of the First City, Fourth Block

Players Alive: 13
Votes to Lynch: 7
Format of:
Wagon (size): Voters on wagon

Rail Tracer (1): FuDuzn
Humble Poirot (2): Rail Tracer, Brian Skies
HopefullyCynical (2): Mario and the Diamonds, Humble Poirot
Fegelein (1): Rebel Without a Pulse
FuDuzn (4): Sound of Silence, HopefullySynical, Dessew, Daniel Bryan
Sound of Silence (1): artemiskitty

Not voting: Fegelein, Saki

Deadline for Day One falls on: 9/30/13 which is (expired on 2013-09-23 19:00:00)

Searching for a replacement for Fegelein.

[Cabd]

notscience replaces Fegelein effective immediately

[notscience]

VOTE: Dessew

HI GIF HI FFERY HI NACHO HI MALA (kitty in name obv mala)

Upon reading, I agree with HP's statement about hydrae (although admittedly I do it myself).

I'm liking Fu SoS and HP For town thus far

Fu because the selfdefeatism is something I've seen all over the place thus far coming predominately from town

SoS because they're trying to interact and get reads on people (such as nacho) that they want to get sorted out

HP because I like some of the ideas he's brought up, the whole "hydrae are harder to read tidbit" seems like a townslip. He addressed it early rather than save it for later and try to use it against someone which feels incredibly protown. Plus, I was like "omghao2readhydrae" my first game with one in it (I was town)

DB is leaning town because his wall looks really good, it has some nice points. There's also a town-vibe I'm getting, but he has only had that one post so that's why he is only in leaning atm. One pro-townpost does not a town make.

Dessew is feeling scum to me. He voteparks for a reason, says "I want to see him react" (which in and of itself kills all reactions) and then his reason- "I was reactiontesting." It also feels like he's more into calling people town and not trying to find scum.

Mario feels weird. He's not under any fire and yet "If you dont like when I post just lynch me" seems very forced. Like a forceful way of trying to say "I don't care if I die"

Kitty is leaning scum. It seems for someone with 14 posts they only have 1 townread and 1 scumread. It kinda looks like they're trying to buddy up to fu.

Saki is VERY SLIGHTLY leaning town for me because of the reaction test.

Brian is leaning scum, I don't really see any stances from him. He's discussing but not presenting any reads. Most of his stuff is based around hydrae which is weird to me. Keying in on hydrae and no reads add up weird in my head.

Rail is null for me.

Nachohydra looks town, based on vibes and points that were brought up that I agreed with upon reading.

HC is null for me as well, mainly because I misread him last game and want to see more from him to compare.

[FuDuzn]

Ok I need to step back a bit, gonna give this game a good once over this weekend and get back to you all.

Note, not vla but not sure when this weekend it will happen. Could even happen tonight, who knows!

[Sound of Silence]

Unvote

That's quite a catch up post NS.

[notscience]

Yep

Any questions for me?

[Saki]

NOTSCI MADE A LONG POST
MUST BE SCUM
UNVOTE:
VOTE: notscience

[Saki]

Yep

Any questions for me?

r u scum

[notscience]

Ignoring Saki's RVS-style vote

Ffery I have a fresh scumgame if you want it

[Sound of Silence]

Yep

Any questions for me?

HP has said a lot of stuff about hydras. What specifically did you agree with? Do you expect it to be a problem in this game?

Ignoring Saki's RVS-style vote

Ffery I have a fresh scumgame if you want it

Sure.

I have a fresh one too. Do you want it?

[notscience]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5295264

No thanks, I'm better at metareading people when it's a game I was in. Otherwise I just confbias the whole game.

His initial tidbit about "oh that was my other head" and all that. While I don't expect it to be an issue, my first game with a hydra I had NO idea how to wrap my head around reading two people at once.

In terms of the agreement it isn't just hydrae stuff. Saki and me were talking to nacho and cabd the other day about stepping it up and frankly I agree with him about not condoning Saki's behaviour.

[notscience]

EBWOP

Plus that excuse is so common

[Rail Tracer]

the whole "hydrae are harder to read tidbit" seems like a townslip

no

Rail is null for me.

you haven't formed any read on me whatsoever?

[notscience]

No, I've been back and forth in my head like mad.

[Rail Tracer]

would it help if i said i'm town? i'm town, btw

[notscience]

Revealing your heads would help.

[Rail Tracer]

my heads have been revealed.

It's Xegarus and zMuffinMan.

though xegarus is apparently busy and hasn't had time for mafia, so it's me solo so far this game.

[notscience]

Ugh

Ofc it's someone I don't have meta on

I don't know, it's been back and forth in my head all game.

Why don't you agree about the hydra thing when it doesn't seem to apply to you?

[Sound of Silence]

Revealing your heads would help.

meh.

It's like playing with an unfamiliar player. I'm not worried about sorting who they are. You still have the trail from in-thread behavior to motivation.

[Rail Tracer]

i don't care what his stance on hydras is. i made it pretty clear in my first posts.

the issue i have with him is how much he played up the hydra stuff early.

you seem to think it's a townslip for some reason i'm not quite able to comprehend. i don't see his complaints about hydras as anything other than complaints about hydras, and distractions to the game.