Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[nickthename]

I honestly think Nacho is a better confirm, more informative.

[Faster Than Light]

And yes, it -must- be nacho.

[zMuffinMan]

please stop lying for the sake of a dumb gambit. it doesn't need to be nacho.

and no, nacho is not a better confirm because if nick is town and mala is town then that's far more information than confirming nacho if he's town.

[nickthename]

Nicktown+Nachotown is less info than Nicktown+Malatown? How is that?

[zMuffinMan]

BECAUSE YOU AND MALA ARE THE TWO MAIN WAGONS TODAY. IF NACHO IS TOWN, CONFIRMING HIM MEANS NOTHING TO ME.

[nickthename]

fair enough

[nickthename]

FTL, what you say?

[Faster Than Light]

It must be nacho.

[zMuffinMan]

yeah, whatever. back to lurking. fuck this game. gl convincing nacho to claim for the sake of your gambit.

[nickthename]

yeah, whatever. back to lurking. fuck this game. gl convincing nacho to claim for the sake of your gambit.

Comeon dude, stick around, do some stuff! What's got you down?

[Aj The Epic]

So FTL, now that Nick is 'playing against his wincon', what is your read on him? I figured as much for him not having anything for Malascum... but here's what's odd: He still holds that Mala is his strongest scum read. Even though he's too lazy/can't be bothered for a case like he promised for basically the last five days and stalled this day to hell and back. I think this is basically the nail confirming nick as scum.

[Faster Than Light]

It's null to me. :/

[Aj The Epic]

After all the fuss you made about how he HAD to make a case and it was for his wincon to go along with you, you're willing to call that null.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

don't get townvibes from Jif posting so.

No mala case though

Wow, never saw that coming!

NACHO, GIVE ME A FULL CLAIM.

Allow me to channel Majiffy:
No.

Lol

BUT NOW MY GAMBIT COULD POTENTIALLY CONFIRM NICK AND NACHO WITHOUT EITHER OF THEM HAVING TO DIE

BEFORE

IT HAPPENS

Bolded is the key word here.

Your "gambit" required two players to fullclaim?
And you were proposing a lynch on someone else, leaving both fullclaimed players alive?

Whatever drugs you're taking, stop, and don't ever do them again.

hi jiffy

Hi.

I don't think either of us are scumreading you and I don't know where you're getting the silly notion.

[Desperado]

It's null to me. :/

Everyone who is championing so hard for FTL town needs to look at the way Varsoon handled this nick wagon and get your shit together.

[nickthename]

but here's what's odd: He still holds that Mala is his strongest scum read. Even though he's too lazy/can't be bothered for a case like he promised for basically the last five days and stalled this day to hell and back. I think this is basically the nail confirming nick as scum.

First of all, I don't understand why you consider stalling the game scummy, because I'm not sure how that would be supposed to help me if I was scum. Here are the two biggest effects:

1. People get mad at me for not posting my case
2. People have more time to talk about other things before night

Reasons why I did it:

1. I was busy and tired, and didn't feel like doing an iso to write it all up
2. I kinda like more discussion, i've always considered it pro-town. Apparently i'm alone on that.

But more importantly,

My reads are pretty much the same as what I posted last, except FTL is town,

and Mala is only about as scummy as nacho and mac,

I exaggerated that read, and nacho is actually probably a better lynch, although Varsoon's thing might still give something on that, idk. All three of them seem pretty scum.

Mala was at the bottom of my reads list because she was at the bottom of my previous reads list that I copy and pasted and then updated, and I didn't think it would be needed to display them all on one line or anything

because I had just said they were equal reads

.

[Aj The Epic]

Everyone else:

(From least to most scummy)

Venmar-I'm not seeing enough involved content here, which is concerning. I'm worried he might be just sitting on his claim and just making short posts to avoid getting a second glance. That said, I don't think he's a very good early game lynch.
Ghostlin- He doesn't push Rach much but jumps on her wagon at the very end, which is alarming. His day 2 stuff his been a bit better.

Mac

-He just goes with the flow a little too hard. Also, the fact that no pressure seems to be on him at all is a bit worrying, I think he may just be hiding in the BnB townread.

Nachomamm8

- I'm not going to retread over all of what mastin said in 2815, but Rach's treatment of Nacho was very bad. Also, he votes Rach in 995 but then unvotes in 1432, and I can't find any explanation for either. I don't like his treatment of her, and I don't like her treatment of him. No one seems to hold him accountable for anything he does, which is very very bad.

Malakittens

-The push on FTL was really bad, and I didn't like how it seemed people were ignoring what I said about her. She's also extremely inactive, which is very annoying, she seems to be hiding behind my lynch.

No matter what you say, she's still your strongest, even if it is simply because you hold Nacho and Mac there, neither of which I've seen any reasoning for outside of your third or fourth day 1 post which wasn't all that convincing.

AS for your "Apparently I'm the only one who likes more discussion" Woe is me part, FTL even was counting on your case for discussion, as was many people (signaled by all those bork prodded: Mala, Mut, ns). How do you call that more discussion when people go to lurk waiting for you to do something?

[Faster Than Light]

It's null because it's against BOTH scum and town wincons to not produce a Mala case.
The fact that he pumped out reads and direct lines to everyone STILL makes me lean him more town.

BnB- What's worse, two fullclaims and a potential mislynch or three potential mislynches?

[Faster Than Light]

After all the fuss you made about how he HAD to make a case and it was for his wincon to go along with you, you're willing to call that null.

Yeah, it doesn't make any sense to not make a case as scum or as town.

Also, stalling? Laughable, since he's the L-1 wagon and we saw what happened to a 'stalled' L-1 wagon on D1.
Your blame is misplaced, too. I'm the one who pulled the brakes on this wagon so that we could get more out of D2. Obviously, folks like you and B&B can't respect that. That's okay.

-V

[Malakittens]

Bit of a prod dodge. I'm sick currently so I need to sleep this off

[notscience]

I'm done with today

VOTE: nick

[zMuffinMan]

Vote: malakittens

[Faster Than Light]

I'm depressed.

-V

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 2.8

[9] nickthename (Nachomamma8, BROseidon, Aj The Epic, Trust Fund, notscience, BeautyAndTheBeast, Mutleyddmc, Mac, Desperado)
[5] Malakittens (Ghostlin, nickthename, mastin2, Faster Than Light, zMuffinMan)
[2] BROseidon (Malakittens, Venmar)
[1] Mac (TiphaineDeath)
[1] Andrius (Andrius)

With 18 alive, it is 10 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2013-09-11 09:30:00)

Ghostlin, Mutleyddmc, and Venmar have all been prodded.

[Mutleyddmc]

How has there not been a lynch yet